Toyota GT86: £24,995
Toyota blinks first and confirms GT86 price - your move, Subaru
No word yet on what you'll get in that price, but the bits we're interested in - the rear-driven, limited-slip diff chassis, 200hp Subaru-donated boxer four, compact size and lively handling - are all standard.
Pricing is always a lively topic of conversation on PH, so we'll leave you to the number crunching but, to give you some inspiration, we've dug out some pricing on likely rivals.
A VW Scirocco in comparable 210hp 2.0-litre form starts at £24,960 though you can get cheaper 1.4 variants too. The GT86 does undercut the equivalent 211hp Audi TT 2.0 TFSI (£27, 140) by a useful margin while its nearest rear-driven equivalent would be the BMW 1 Series Coupe, which costs £27,115 in 218hp 125i M Sport guise. You can get a 170hp 120i too - £22,650 in Sport or £25,560 in M Sport.
Other alternatives? A 184hp Mini Cooper S Coupe starts at a more reasonable £19,775 or £23,795 in 211hp JCW form. Or you could have a Peugeot RCZ - £23,595 for the 200hp petrol turbo.
All very interesting, but the one price we're really waiting for is Subaru's...
Problem is, this is marketed against TT's, 1 Series and other premium coupe's and that's how it's justifying its price. That doesn't make sense to me...
Sounds like the idea originally was from some excited and passionate, Japanese RWD car obsessive and ended up being diluted until it's forced to be what was never intended.
Balance-sheet Vs the dream.
Not proof read as I can't be arsed (I'm working) so do one if the above is grammatically wrong :P
It seems 100% pure to the original concept. They never promised anything more than a modestly powerful, light, RWD, affordable and interesting car. That's what they've given us.
Criticising it for not being powerful enough, fancy enough, or whatever is valid if what you want isn't what Toyota are offering, because that's a subjective opinion. Criticising the price isn't valid because 1) it is on every obective measure, good value and 2) it has no directly comparable competitors. It is typical of this site for people assume to "If I don't like it, no one else does". We may look down on people who drive mundane, boring, poor value (in our terms) cars but that misses the point that most people aren't fussed if their car is mundane or boring. Similarly, some people seem to be looking down on potential GT-86 owners as "why have you bought that, it's not a [insert some random alternative]", which misses the point that perhaps they want a new, small, light, affordable £25k RWD coupe, and if they do, then there's not much choice but to buy a GT 86. Likewise, comparing any new car with a used car on a like-for-like basis is insane.
if i had 25k to spend on a coupe i would be looking at 2nd hand porsche caymans that really would put a smile on my face everytime i got in it
Yes its a brilliant car but
A, Its ugly
2, its not cheap sorry
3, the 370Z is in another division performancewise
The right car at the right time but priced 5.000 too high for what it offers
B - It might not be cheap but compared to its most direct competitors - of which we might say the 370Z is one - it's competitive.
C - The GT86 is in another division handling-wise and costs-to-run wise.
If you must know, so far as I'm concerned, it's aimed at me. I have a reasonable budget and want a fun, interesting car that is reliable and not ruinously expensive to run. I don't want a hot hatch. I don't want a second hand car. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Not really to the above quoted
People go on about Autocars Porsche handling comparison but EVOs review of the 370z resulted in the last paragraph saying this before they gave it 4.5/5
"I was doubtful when they said that they wanted to take on the Cayman, but now I’ve driven the 370Z I think Porsche might well have a fight on its hands."
GT86 being lighter will be great fun to handle and i expect will be easier to handle which we've all discussed. Another division though? I dont know about that. Time will tell
Who is going to buy it?
If you want a track car, you buy a proper one.
If you want a 'sporty' road car, you buy a proper one.
23 years old if you're wondering and this doesn't interested my in the slightest. But then neither does the Civic Type R or any other of this type of vehicle (yes I know the Civic is FWD).
Boo.
Let me pose a question, is there a single PHer who has either pre-ordered or intends to purchase a GT86?
Moving the debate on, some may like this, others may not. I don't understand why those who don't like this are working so hard to find reasons not to like it though. I mean, I don't want a RS Focus, or a GTR, but if I see one I can think to myself "that's a nice car", and hope that it's owned by someone who loves it as a driving machine and not merely as a status symbol. Similarly, I'd not have a Mk1 MX5 but if I see one, I know its driven by a proper enthusiast.
Just be glad Toyota and Subaru have made a RWD alternative to the BMW/Mercs out there and stop moaning about it....
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