992 Carrera T vs 992 GT3
Discussion
I recently took delivery of both a Carrera T and a GT3; both arrived at the same time due to manufacturing delays and the well-documented transportation issues etc.
The Carrera T was originally due to be with me in March (23) with the GT3 arriving in June, as it was, both arrived early last week and I collected them both on Friday.
Both cars are manual. The GT3 is club sport with buckets and cage etc. in GT Silver. The Carrera T is more comfort focused, with the Carrera T interior, 18-way seats, Burmiester stereo and all the bells and whistles (it's my daily) and it's Rubystar Neo. (I'll post pictures here in a while).
Some have asked for my thoughts on each, so rather than respond in separate threads, I'll start another so others can contribute their own experiences.
I've only done about 150 miles in each so far; Saturday was the Carrera T, Sunday was the GT3 - so feedback is limited at present, but as I get to know each one better I'll return to the subject.
I have previously owned several GT3s and RSs and I also had a 991.2 Carrera T.
Observations:
992 GT3 - the ride is similar to previous RSs (less compliant than previous GT3s), but not overly or un-usably harsh, it is a GT product after all. The front end is MUCH sharper, the steering is very confidence inspiring and the stand-out feature for me at the moment. I am still running the car in obviously, so I am not pushing the engine at all, so it's difficult to tell how it will impact the driving experience, but even only up to 5K at present it's keen to go further...
Overall first impressions are yes it's focused, but not un-necessarily so, and the ride quality is compromised for road use, but not to a point where you wouldn't want to use it for road trips or driving holidays. It's more of the same and a bit more from the GT department.
Carrera T - feels special. Looks great. More compliant than the GT3 (obviously), but still drives like a 911 (reassuringly); in that the nose moves around on bumpy roads (well damped movement) and you can feel the weight at the rear. The interior is fairly standard Porsche, solid and functional with a good mix of buttons and touch screen. The colour I chose helps I think, but I love the look of the car, not quite understated! But purposeful, with a low squat stance and large wheels and wide tyres.
The Carrera T is an 'easy drive' - as intended, the GT3 takes a bit more commitment to use and demands a bit more of you.
Both feel special, but in use they feel quite different. Not night and day different (they are both 911s), but you would not confuse one with the other from either the driver's seat or passenger seat.
I love both already.
The Carrera T was originally due to be with me in March (23) with the GT3 arriving in June, as it was, both arrived early last week and I collected them both on Friday.
Both cars are manual. The GT3 is club sport with buckets and cage etc. in GT Silver. The Carrera T is more comfort focused, with the Carrera T interior, 18-way seats, Burmiester stereo and all the bells and whistles (it's my daily) and it's Rubystar Neo. (I'll post pictures here in a while).
Some have asked for my thoughts on each, so rather than respond in separate threads, I'll start another so others can contribute their own experiences.
I've only done about 150 miles in each so far; Saturday was the Carrera T, Sunday was the GT3 - so feedback is limited at present, but as I get to know each one better I'll return to the subject.
I have previously owned several GT3s and RSs and I also had a 991.2 Carrera T.
Observations:
992 GT3 - the ride is similar to previous RSs (less compliant than previous GT3s), but not overly or un-usably harsh, it is a GT product after all. The front end is MUCH sharper, the steering is very confidence inspiring and the stand-out feature for me at the moment. I am still running the car in obviously, so I am not pushing the engine at all, so it's difficult to tell how it will impact the driving experience, but even only up to 5K at present it's keen to go further...
Overall first impressions are yes it's focused, but not un-necessarily so, and the ride quality is compromised for road use, but not to a point where you wouldn't want to use it for road trips or driving holidays. It's more of the same and a bit more from the GT department.
Carrera T - feels special. Looks great. More compliant than the GT3 (obviously), but still drives like a 911 (reassuringly); in that the nose moves around on bumpy roads (well damped movement) and you can feel the weight at the rear. The interior is fairly standard Porsche, solid and functional with a good mix of buttons and touch screen. The colour I chose helps I think, but I love the look of the car, not quite understated! But purposeful, with a low squat stance and large wheels and wide tyres.
The Carrera T is an 'easy drive' - as intended, the GT3 takes a bit more commitment to use and demands a bit more of you.
Both feel special, but in use they feel quite different. Not night and day different (they are both 911s), but you would not confuse one with the other from either the driver's seat or passenger seat.
I love both already.
Great thread @TheDeadPrussian and even better choice of vehicles!
I just returned from a small Tour in a 992 T, across GB-FR-CH-IT-CH-DE-BE-NL-FR-GB. Over 2000 mi in 10-days.
I have done it previously in Macan S gen II (in 2019), and now I have done it in the 992 T. Macan was a great touring pack-horse. The 992 was pure joy to drive.
Would you do that in 992 GT3? Or would you do 992 T? Or would you revert to Macan? In my mind they are diff purpose vehicles.
I just returned from a small Tour in a 992 T, across GB-FR-CH-IT-CH-DE-BE-NL-FR-GB. Over 2000 mi in 10-days.
I have done it previously in Macan S gen II (in 2019), and now I have done it in the 992 T. Macan was a great touring pack-horse. The 992 was pure joy to drive.
Would you do that in 992 GT3? Or would you do 992 T? Or would you revert to Macan? In my mind they are diff purpose vehicles.
Just a quick update, I've been away for a week or so (topping up my Vitamin D), but am now back and using the T as my daily. It continues to impress. It's a great car and feels special every time I step into it.
The Rubystar Neo attracts lots of positive comments; those who may not like it are polite enough not to say so to my face perhaps!
The GT3 has a recall on it at present, so it's going into the dealership on Monday for about 30 minutes work. I presume this maybe checking the tightness of certain bolts and driveshafts, based upon Seen Through Glass's recent video and experience in southern France... Once it's been through the recall it will be getting a bit more use.
With respect to longer road trips, my preference would be to use the GT3 - as it's the car that I would want to drive 'enthusiastically' in the Alps or Pyrenees etc. The autoroute / autobahn schlep would be fine in the GT3 and the when you arrive, it's the car I'd want to be in the most.
The Rubystar Neo attracts lots of positive comments; those who may not like it are polite enough not to say so to my face perhaps!
The GT3 has a recall on it at present, so it's going into the dealership on Monday for about 30 minutes work. I presume this maybe checking the tightness of certain bolts and driveshafts, based upon Seen Through Glass's recent video and experience in southern France... Once it's been through the recall it will be getting a bit more use.
With respect to longer road trips, my preference would be to use the GT3 - as it's the car that I would want to drive 'enthusiastically' in the Alps or Pyrenees etc. The autoroute / autobahn schlep would be fine in the GT3 and the when you arrive, it's the car I'd want to be in the most.
TheDeadPrussian said:
Just a quick update, I've been away for a week or so (topping up my Vitamin D), but am now back and using the T as my daily. It continues to impress. It's a great car and feels special every time I step into it.
The Rubystar Neo attracts lots of positive comments; those who may not like it are polite enough not to say so to my face perhaps!
The GT3 has a recall on it at present, so it's going into the dealership on Monday for about 30 minutes work. I presume this maybe checking the tightness of certain bolts and driveshafts, based upon Seen Through Glass's recent video and experience in southern France... Once it's been through the recall it will be getting a bit more use.
With respect to longer road trips, my preference would be to use the GT3 - as it's the car that I would want to drive 'enthusiastically' in the Alps or Pyrenees etc. The autoroute / autobahn schlep would be fine in the GT3 and the when you arrive, it's the car I'd want to be in the most.
There's a recall on GT3s at the moment re the oil cap. If it's screwed on with the oil can logo upside down then it can work its way loose and leak - or something like that, so the recall is about fitting a dummy proof neck or whatever needed to make sure it always goes on the right wayThe Rubystar Neo attracts lots of positive comments; those who may not like it are polite enough not to say so to my face perhaps!
The GT3 has a recall on it at present, so it's going into the dealership on Monday for about 30 minutes work. I presume this maybe checking the tightness of certain bolts and driveshafts, based upon Seen Through Glass's recent video and experience in southern France... Once it's been through the recall it will be getting a bit more use.
With respect to longer road trips, my preference would be to use the GT3 - as it's the car that I would want to drive 'enthusiastically' in the Alps or Pyrenees etc. The autoroute / autobahn schlep would be fine in the GT3 and the when you arrive, it's the car I'd want to be in the most.
TheDeadPrussian said:
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With respect to longer road trips, my preference would be to use the GT3 - as it's the car that I would want to drive 'enthusiastically' in the Alps or Pyrenees etc. The autoroute / autobahn schlep would be fine in the GT3 and the when you arrive, it's the car I'd want to be in the most.
Respect, good man! I thought you would take more comfortable option.With respect to longer road trips, my preference would be to use the GT3 - as it's the car that I would want to drive 'enthusiastically' in the Alps or Pyrenees etc. The autoroute / autobahn schlep would be fine in the GT3 and the when you arrive, it's the car I'd want to be in the most.
I have not driven a GT3, yet, but the freeways in France and EURP in general are well maintained so once over the moat, it would be a fantastic experience.
te in the UK.I've been using the GT3 a little more since I returned from my trip away and it really does feel quite different to the T once you get a bit more time in the seat. I am very lucky to have both, and I love both, but they do things quite differently and this is very apparent when you hop directly out of one and into the other.
The GT3 is an event - once warmed up it just wants to go, everywhere. You can drive it sedately, and it does the job of A to B admirably (the ride is firm), but it just feels as though you aren't getting the best from it when you drive it that way. The six-speed manual in the GT3 is different in character to the 7-speed manual in the T, shorter in throw, more precise. In the T I am still occasionally finding myself going from 6th to 3rd whilst trying to get into 5th... the GT3 'box is a more precise tool.
The GT3 is a very special car, but so too is the Carrera T, both special, both with bags of character with things to enjoy and admire about each, but separate and distinct in nature.
The T is a fantastic 911, with the characteristics I really enjoy and cherish in the 911 platform; lots of rear end grip, a slightly lighter nose that moves around and a feeling of solidity and luxury (I have 18-way sports seats, Burmiester and carbon roof etc.). It is a great daily and a car I would take away with a passenger for a road trip that focused on the arrival at a destination rather than the driving to get there.
The GT3 can do the daily duties, but it's wasted in doing so; it's all about the drive.
The GT3 is an event - once warmed up it just wants to go, everywhere. You can drive it sedately, and it does the job of A to B admirably (the ride is firm), but it just feels as though you aren't getting the best from it when you drive it that way. The six-speed manual in the GT3 is different in character to the 7-speed manual in the T, shorter in throw, more precise. In the T I am still occasionally finding myself going from 6th to 3rd whilst trying to get into 5th... the GT3 'box is a more precise tool.
The GT3 is a very special car, but so too is the Carrera T, both special, both with bags of character with things to enjoy and admire about each, but separate and distinct in nature.
The T is a fantastic 911, with the characteristics I really enjoy and cherish in the 911 platform; lots of rear end grip, a slightly lighter nose that moves around and a feeling of solidity and luxury (I have 18-way sports seats, Burmiester and carbon roof etc.). It is a great daily and a car I would take away with a passenger for a road trip that focused on the arrival at a destination rather than the driving to get there.
The GT3 can do the daily duties, but it's wasted in doing so; it's all about the drive.
I ran a manual 997.2 GTS and a 991.2 GT3 together for four years...so a aismialr ownership experience.
As good as the GTS was as a road car the engine is what differentiates the GT3 from it's mere mortal cousins...the GTS had 408 bhp naturally aspirated engine so comparable with the 992 T I am guessing. Even though that 3.8 in the GTS with a power kit is an engine that wants and rewards revs it just didn't get close to the GT3. I doubt the Turbo engine in the Carrera T can either.
Depends what you want it for but I can see a Carrera T being a great daily but if it was a car I wanted for Sunday mornings I'd have a 997 GTS over it. Naturally aspirated engine, hydraulic steering etc.
As good as the GTS was as a road car the engine is what differentiates the GT3 from it's mere mortal cousins...the GTS had 408 bhp naturally aspirated engine so comparable with the 992 T I am guessing. Even though that 3.8 in the GTS with a power kit is an engine that wants and rewards revs it just didn't get close to the GT3. I doubt the Turbo engine in the Carrera T can either.
Depends what you want it for but I can see a Carrera T being a great daily but if it was a car I wanted for Sunday mornings I'd have a 997 GTS over it. Naturally aspirated engine, hydraulic steering etc.
Edited by Cheib on Monday 24th July 15:05
TheDeadPrussian said:
I've been using the GT3 a little more since I returned from my trip away and it really does feel quite different to the T once you get a bit more time in the seat. I am very lucky to have both, and I love both, but they do things quite differently and this is very apparent when you hop directly out of one and into the other.
The GT3 is an event - once warmed up it just wants to go, everywhere. You can drive it sedately, and it does the job of A to B admirably (the ride is firm), but it just feels as though you aren't getting the best from it when you drive it that way. The six-speed manual in the GT3 is different in character to the 7-speed manual in the T, shorter in throw, more precise. In the T I am still occasionally finding myself going from 6th to 3rd whilst trying to get into 5th... the GT3 'box is a more precise tool.
The GT3 is a very special car, but so too is the Carrera T, both special, both with bags of character with things to enjoy and admire about each, but separate and distinct in nature.
The T is a fantastic 911, with the characteristics I really enjoy and cherish in the 911 platform; lots of rear end grip, a slightly lighter nose that moves around and a feeling of solidity and luxury (I have 18-way sports seats, Burmiester and carbon roof etc.). It is a great daily and a car I would take away with a passenger for a road trip that focused on the arrival at a destination rather than the driving to get there.
The GT3 can do the daily duties, but it's wasted in doing so; it's all about the drive.
Have you read Andrew Frankels review of both plus the GTS in The Intercooler?The GT3 is an event - once warmed up it just wants to go, everywhere. You can drive it sedately, and it does the job of A to B admirably (the ride is firm), but it just feels as though you aren't getting the best from it when you drive it that way. The six-speed manual in the GT3 is different in character to the 7-speed manual in the T, shorter in throw, more precise. In the T I am still occasionally finding myself going from 6th to 3rd whilst trying to get into 5th... the GT3 'box is a more precise tool.
The GT3 is a very special car, but so too is the Carrera T, both special, both with bags of character with things to enjoy and admire about each, but separate and distinct in nature.
The T is a fantastic 911, with the characteristics I really enjoy and cherish in the 911 platform; lots of rear end grip, a slightly lighter nose that moves around and a feeling of solidity and luxury (I have 18-way sports seats, Burmiester and carbon roof etc.). It is a great daily and a car I would take away with a passenger for a road trip that focused on the arrival at a destination rather than the driving to get there.
The GT3 can do the daily duties, but it's wasted in doing so; it's all about the drive.
TheDeadPrussian said:
I've been using the GT3 a little more since I returned from my trip away and it really does feel quite different to the T once you get a bit more time in the seat. I am very lucky to have both, and I love both, but they do things quite differently and this is very apparent when you hop directly out of one and into the other.
The GT3 is an event - once warmed up it just wants to go, everywhere. You can drive it sedately, and it does the job of A to B admirably (the ride is firm), but it just feels as though you aren't getting the best from it when you drive it that way. The six-speed manual in the GT3 is different in character to the 7-speed manual in the T, shorter in throw, more precise. In the T I am still occasionally finding myself going from 6th to 3rd whilst trying to get into 5th... the GT3 'box is a more precise tool.
The GT3 is a very special car, but so too is the Carrera T, both special, both with bags of character with things to enjoy and admire about each, but separate and distinct in nature.
The T is a fantastic 911, with the characteristics I really enjoy and cherish in the 911 platform; lots of rear end grip, a slightly lighter nose that moves around and a feeling of solidity and luxury (I have 18-way sports seats, Burmiester and carbon roof etc.). It is a great daily and a car I would take away with a passenger for a road trip that focused on the arrival at a destination rather than the driving to get there.
The GT3 can do the daily duties, but it's wasted in doing so; it's all about the drive.
Fantastic thread and really looking forward to your views on the T in particular. I'm currently running a PDK 992 GT3 and 981 GT4 but finding the two a little too "similar" duty wise (they really overlap and the GT3 does it better) so searching for something a little different on the GT4 front and the T sounds great. One thing on the DD for the GT3 though - I don't find it wasted at all! It gets driven down to the station carpark and then home during the week and absolutely look forward to the drive home in it every single day. Admittedly I'm not in a busy town so the drive home is bumpy B-roads but it does this job with aplomb - I don't think I'd ever tire of it. The GT3 is an event - once warmed up it just wants to go, everywhere. You can drive it sedately, and it does the job of A to B admirably (the ride is firm), but it just feels as though you aren't getting the best from it when you drive it that way. The six-speed manual in the GT3 is different in character to the 7-speed manual in the T, shorter in throw, more precise. In the T I am still occasionally finding myself going from 6th to 3rd whilst trying to get into 5th... the GT3 'box is a more precise tool.
The GT3 is a very special car, but so too is the Carrera T, both special, both with bags of character with things to enjoy and admire about each, but separate and distinct in nature.
The T is a fantastic 911, with the characteristics I really enjoy and cherish in the 911 platform; lots of rear end grip, a slightly lighter nose that moves around and a feeling of solidity and luxury (I have 18-way sports seats, Burmiester and carbon roof etc.). It is a great daily and a car I would take away with a passenger for a road trip that focused on the arrival at a destination rather than the driving to get there.
The GT3 can do the daily duties, but it's wasted in doing so; it's all about the drive.
I'm using the T everyday at the moment. I have a 30 minute commute in to work, all B-road equivalents; the T gathers and holds pace really well. It's comfortable, fast and fun. It's also very special feeling, it is definitely an hour of my day well-spent driving it. I always look back when I've parked it and reflect on how lucky I am.
The GT3 comes out for drives at the weekend, when I have a little more time, it deserves a few hours at a time and it takes a while for it to warm through, 30 minute commutes isn't its forte, but there's no better way to spend two hours!
The GT3 comes out for drives at the weekend, when I have a little more time, it deserves a few hours at a time and it takes a while for it to warm through, 30 minute commutes isn't its forte, but there's no better way to spend two hours!
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