MP4 12C Deprecation and Brand Value
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respectfully, I disagree with the above post on all points.
They have no brand value to start with that's the problem. This two tier pricing system is just damaging the residual values. You tell me of another car manufacturer that offers 40-50k off list on low mile cars. Why not stop kidding one self and reduce the price, so every one knows were they are. That way they will go some way into protecting residuals, which is the real problem here that is affecting sales of new cars.
There is no demand for this car at the current price level. I do not see how reducing the price in order to sell cars is going to affect Brand value, when the Brand has no or very ltd value to start with. It will however bring some profit which is all that matters here for now
IMHO
Please don't tell me the SLR was a success.
They have no brand value to start with that's the problem. This two tier pricing system is just damaging the residual values. You tell me of another car manufacturer that offers 40-50k off list on low mile cars. Why not stop kidding one self and reduce the price, so every one knows were they are. That way they will go some way into protecting residuals, which is the real problem here that is affecting sales of new cars.
There is no demand for this car at the current price level. I do not see how reducing the price in order to sell cars is going to affect Brand value, when the Brand has no or very ltd value to start with. It will however bring some profit which is all that matters here for now
IMHO
Please don't tell me the SLR was a success.
Please don't take offence, but you are off point, Trying to assume a lofty brand value of the road car division on the back of the F1 team was a cataclysmic error...The used car market for 12Cs is buoyant, within a price range....It may have escaped you but as manufacturer they do not make money on used cars, which is all that matters for present purpose. Unless they reduce the price of the new car I can not see a way forward......Long or short term IMHO
The point you make on Aston is not a good example.........Trying to draw an inference with the original F1 to the 12C is just Mad....IMHO
I could post a lot more on this, and why you are wrong, but that would not be in the Public interest as they say........
Lets pick this up in Dec.....
Good Luck
The point you make on Aston is not a good example.........Trying to draw an inference with the original F1 to the 12C is just Mad....IMHO
I could post a lot more on this, and why you are wrong, but that would not be in the Public interest as they say........
Lets pick this up in Dec.....
Good Luck
Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 21st August 18:07
Wrong again…..don’t know why you bother. Mcl tested at the ring for 3 days, they could not get a faster time than the 918… 918….6.57 P1, 7.04. Fact……Next point I have seen the P1 close up 6 times spent 1/2 day at MTC and 2 hrs on stand at Geneva, I like others feel that it is to way to close to the 12C, Along with tech on the 918 is way superior to that on the P1, Let alone the build quality.
With regard to the 918, I have driven the car; I have a car on order for Jan build…..Spent 2 days at factory on spec of the car……
With regard to the 918, I have driven the car; I have a car on order for Jan build…..Spent 2 days at factory on spec of the car……
Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 14th September 20:49
The P1. IMHO is a 720BHP, 12C, (absolutely nothing wrong with a 12C,) with some very smart aero, that has the option to have up to 920BHP, at times…..Is that worth 5 x 13MY 12C,…Don’t get me wrong the P1 will be epic, but it will never on any track be faster than a 918 IMHO,
The 918 re generation system is totally different. I did 3 hot laps and finished with more power that I started with. There will never be a time in 918 when you do not have full 100% power….there may be a spit second when you have to wait for the electric motor to re couple, but that is it
It is never worth 900k, IMHO the market will adjust like the 12C...I would love to own a P1 at 500k
The 918 re generation system is totally different. I did 3 hot laps and finished with more power that I started with. There will never be a time in 918 when you do not have full 100% power….there may be a spit second when you have to wait for the electric motor to re couple, but that is it
It is never worth 900k, IMHO the market will adjust like the 12C...I would love to own a P1 at 500k
Again you are wrong…The P1 only has full power for a very short time. I.e. on a lap of the ring it would have to recharge 2 times… IMHO So you only have 700bhp for most of the lap, i say only..... any weight difference is off set by the 918 drive system…….The P1 will be faster on top end…But that’s it.
With regard the numbers, there 3x the amount of 918s than the P1. The P1 will follow the 12c with regards deprecation. IMHO.
With regard the numbers, there 3x the amount of 918s than the P1. The P1 will follow the 12c with regards deprecation. IMHO.
Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 15th September 20:31
I would love to own a P1, still do but not at 900k 4-5 maybe. Imho they messed up big time with this ring time. At this level marketing is every thing, not that many owners will ever take their car to the ring let alone achieve a time in the 7s.
I fully agree with the post above after testing for 3 days, a time of 7.04 for a road car on road tyres is epic….It just not as quick as the 918.
I fully agree with the post above after testing for 3 days, a time of 7.04 for a road car on road tyres is epic….It just not as quick as the 918.
http://thesupercarkids.com/p1laprumour/
The 7.04 is correct. They are just dont want you to know....Lol
The 7.04 is correct. They are just dont want you to know....Lol
The gantry guys are standing by their 7:04 for P1. If they are wrong McLaren should announce the real time immediately certainly at Frankfurt where Porsche likely will. From ML
You are already aware of the above…..Live with it…..I have absolutely nothing against the P1, 7.04 for a road car on road tyres is epic….Its just not as fast as a 918…. It may well be quicker on other tracks, but i doubt it. along with others in my view it is way to much like a 12C in order to justify its price…..The market has way of working these things out……price wise
My Final commnet on this
You are already aware of the above…..Live with it…..I have absolutely nothing against the P1, 7.04 for a road car on road tyres is epic….Its just not as fast as a 918…. It may well be quicker on other tracks, but i doubt it. along with others in my view it is way to much like a 12C in order to justify its price…..The market has way of working these things out……price wise
My Final commnet on this
Edited by APOLO1 on Tuesday 17th September 09:14
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