So, EV performance cars are coming soon, right?
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EV Nissan 400Z? Electric Supra? Type-R with err.. EV-TEC? Anything with 2 seats and a sub 60K sticker price that isn't going to put me to sleep?? If I'm willing to give up my beloved ICE, I'm gonna need more than this battery powered snoozefest. Someone please tell me there's fun stuff coming I'm not aware of.
SeeNoWeevil said:
EV Nissan 400Z? Electric Supra? Type-R with err.. EV-TEC? Anything with 2 seats and a sub 60K sticker price that isn't going to put me to sleep?? If I'm willing to give up my beloved ICE, I'm gonna need more than this battery powered snoozefest. Someone please tell me there's fun stuff coming I'm not aware of.
With the new ISA system, the days of the "fun stuff" are over.https://www.vertumotors.com/news/uk-cars-to-includ...
NMNeil said:
With the new ISA system, the days of the "fun stuff" are over.
https://www.vertumotors.com/news/uk-cars-to-includ...
Am I reading that article wrong or does it say you will still be able to turn this system off, and the author just thinks it looks 'likely' this might not be the case in future? https://www.vertumotors.com/news/uk-cars-to-includ...
The problem is a standard EV car ie Ioniq 5, Ipace EV6 oven Kona and E Niro have amazing performance - certainly way more than supercars of the 90's.
So the gap in performance has and will diminish - it will just be badge driven really but will that kill some brands!!!
To me the exciting thing will be electrifying yesterdays classics - the old 911's, E Types etc I am sure the day will come when we can no longer drive or petrol /diesel cars and this will be the only way to keep yesterdays classics on or roads and not in museums.
So the gap in performance has and will diminish - it will just be badge driven really but will that kill some brands!!!
To me the exciting thing will be electrifying yesterdays classics - the old 911's, E Types etc I am sure the day will come when we can no longer drive or petrol /diesel cars and this will be the only way to keep yesterdays classics on or roads and not in museums.
NS66 said:
The problem is a standard EV car ie Ioniq 5, Ipace EV6 oven Kona and E Niro have amazing performance - certainly way more than supercars of the 90's.
Whilst acceleration of EV’s is good, handling still leaves a lot to be desired. This is entirely caused by their high kerbweights. Whilst they do typically handle well for heavy cars, it’s one of the hurdles they need to overcome if they are to better petrol powered cars in the handling stakes, especially on track. Whether manufacturers are bothered about this is another thing. georgeyboy12345 said:
Whilst acceleration of EV’s is good, handling still leaves a lot to be desired. This is entirely caused by their high kerbweights. Whilst they do typically handle well for heavy cars, it’s one of the hurdles they need to overcome if they are to better petrol powered cars in the handling stakes, especially on track. Whether manufacturers are bothered about this is another thing.
Presumably evolution of the tech will mean that weight will come down (or range goes up) as energy density improves. So it's likely that future generations will have long-range slaoons/SUVs etc, or short range, lighter weight, "sportier" models to choose from. There just needs to be an improvement in battery tech to make any reduction of range palatable to potential buyers.SeeNoWeevil said:
EV Nissan 400Z? Electric Supra? Type-R with err.. EV-TEC? Anything with 2 seats and a sub 60K sticker price that isn't going to put me to sleep?? If I'm willing to give up my beloved ICE, I'm gonna need more than this battery powered snoozefest. Someone please tell me there's fun stuff coming I'm not aware of.
Surely the only car that any of us need, Plaid model at £120k.TX.
SeeNoWeevil said:
EV Nissan 400Z? Electric Supra? Type-R with err.. EV-TEC? Anything with 2 seats and a sub 60K sticker price that isn't going to put me to sleep??
Wasn't it over a decade ago Nissan launched another Z car? And isn't the supra just a Z4? For every one of those there are 100 boring cars, and they lead the way.As for your last question, coming:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/electric-vehicles...
Or here right now:
Vanderhall Edison
A Tesla Model 3 can be a proper track day weapon, it's just extremely good at munching miles as well.
SeeNoWeevil said:
If I'm willing to give up my beloved ICE, I'm gonna need more than this battery powered snoozefest. Someone please tell me there's fun stuff coming I'm not aware of.
Go on on then, what ICE are you driving?Freakuk said:
SeeNoWeevil said:
Alex Z said:
Next Boxster might come in electric, but it would likely stretch your budget.
Yeah, an electric Cayman sounds interesting too. Curious if it's going to be priced higher than the petrol equivalent though.georgeyboy12345 said:
Whilst acceleration of EV’s is good, handling still leaves a lot to be desired. This is entirely caused by their high kerbweights. Whilst they do typically handle well for heavy cars, it’s one of the hurdles they need to overcome if they are to better petrol powered cars in the handling stakes, especially on track. Whether manufacturers are bothered about this is another thing.
BMW i3 weighs 1250KG and seats 4, slightly heavier than a Fiesta ST.Model 3 performance weighs 1850KG, comparable cars from BMW/Mercedes/Audi 1800KG. The weight is also a lot lower in the car and the balance often 50/50.
Be interesting to see what BMW manage with the 544bhp i4 M50 as it's £10k cheaper than the new M3 competition
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Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 6th October 14:17
While Model 3 can probably lap a track quite quickly it's not exactly fun to drive.
Our old bargain basement 986 boxster is infinitely more enjoyable to drive than our model 3. There's so much more to a performance car than being able to accelerate ridiculously quickly. Even that gets dull after a while - acceleration with no drama really isn't any more exciting than braking hard.
Our old bargain basement 986 boxster is infinitely more enjoyable to drive than our model 3. There's so much more to a performance car than being able to accelerate ridiculously quickly. Even that gets dull after a while - acceleration with no drama really isn't any more exciting than braking hard.
SWoll said:
Freakuk said:
SeeNoWeevil said:
Alex Z said:
Next Boxster might come in electric, but it would likely stretch your budget.
Yeah, an electric Cayman sounds interesting too. Curious if it's going to be priced higher than the petrol equivalent though.georgeyboy12345 said:
Whilst acceleration of EV’s is good, handling still leaves a lot to be desired. This is entirely caused by their high kerbweights. Whilst they do typically handle well for heavy cars, it’s one of the hurdles they need to overcome if they are to better petrol powered cars in the handling stakes, especially on track. Whether manufacturers are bothered about this is another thing.
BMW i3 weighs 1250KG and seats 4, slightly heavier than a Fiesta ST.Model 3 performance weighs 1850KG, comparable cars from BMW/Mercedes/Audi 1800KG. The weight is also a lot lower in the car and the balance often 50/50.
Be interesting to see what BMW manage with the 544bhp i4 M50 as it's £10k cheaper than the new M3 competition
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Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 6th October 14:17
The Model S is 2100kg and it is comparable to a RS4 or a M4 which is 1700-1800kg.
TX.
Terminator X said:
Nonsense, comparable cars are RS3's etc all at 1500-1550kg.
The Model S is 2100kg and it is comparable to a RS4 or a M4 which is 1700-1800kg.
TX.
You're off by a full class there TX.The Model S is 2100kg and it is comparable to a RS4 or a M4 which is 1700-1800kg.
TX.
The Model 3 is 3-series, the Model S is E-class/5-series.
An A4 is tiny inside and out compared to a Model S.
ZesPak said:
Terminator X said:
Nonsense, comparable cars are RS3's etc all at 1500-1550kg.
The Model S is 2100kg and it is comparable to a RS4 or a M4 which is 1700-1800kg.
TX.
You're off by a full class there TX.The Model S is 2100kg and it is comparable to a RS4 or a M4 which is 1700-1800kg.
TX.
The Model 3 is 3-series, the Model S is E-class/5-series.
An A4 is tiny inside and out compared to a Model S.
I do wonder whether people even look any of this stuff up before posting, or have even seen a Model S in the flesh. They're massive, slightly longer than a 5 series Touring in fact.
Model 3 P - 4,694 mm, 500bhp, 1850KG
BMW M3 - 4,709mm, 510bhp, 1780KG
Audi RS3 saloon - 4,460mm, 395bhp, 1650KG
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 6th October 14:57
SWoll said:
If anything the A4 is still small inside when compared to the Model 3, let alone the S.
I do wonder whether people even look any of this stuff up before posting, or have even seen a Model S in the flesh. They're massive, slightly longer than a 5 series Touring in fact.
I thought length was near as makes no difference 5m in all. (edit: looked it up, less than 2cm in it)I do wonder whether people even look any of this stuff up before posting, or have even seen a Model S in the flesh. They're massive, slightly longer than a 5 series Touring in fact.
Coming from an XF estate, and even an E-class estate, the Model S is just huge inside.
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 6th October 14:53
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