Hydrogen availability
Discussion
kambites said:
GT911 said:
Yeah, to me it has the feel of 'LPG revisited'. Except this time there are no running cost savings....
The difference being that petrol and diesel will quickly cease to be an option. LPG vs liquid fuels.
Hydrogen vs EV.
In any case do you not think it will be possible to run a petrol car through to 2040?
GT911 said:
kambites said:
GT911 said:
Yeah, to me it has the feel of 'LPG revisited'. Except this time there are no running cost savings....
The difference being that petrol and diesel will quickly cease to be an option. LPG vs liquid fuels.
Hydrogen vs EV.
In any case do you not think it will be possible to run a petrol car through to 2040?
Volvolover said:
GT911 said:
kambites said:
GT911 said:
Yeah, to me it has the feel of 'LPG revisited'. Except this time there are no running cost savings....
The difference being that petrol and diesel will quickly cease to be an option. LPG vs liquid fuels.
Hydrogen vs EV.
In any case do you not think it will be possible to run a petrol car through to 2040?
I believe there will be a viable and very cost effective electric option for those users within 15 years.
Which to me makes the hydrogen passenger car option a white elephant in 2040.
GT911 said:
Volvolover said:
GT911 said:
kambites said:
GT911 said:
Yeah, to me it has the feel of 'LPG revisited'. Except this time there are no running cost savings....
The difference being that petrol and diesel will quickly cease to be an option. LPG vs liquid fuels.
Hydrogen vs EV.
In any case do you not think it will be possible to run a petrol car through to 2040?
I believe there will be a viable and very cost effective electric option for those users within 15 years.
Which to me makes the hydrogen passenger car option a white elephant in 2040.
Volvolover said:
GT911 said:
kambites said:
GT911 said:
Yeah, to me it has the feel of 'LPG revisited'. Except this time there are no running cost savings....
The difference being that petrol and diesel will quickly cease to be an option. LPG vs liquid fuels.
Hydrogen vs EV.
In any case do you not think it will be possible to run a petrol car through to 2040?
When I was doing 30-40k a year I made a point of driving old cars to avoid massive depreciation. My last one was a 2008 Saab with leather trim, cruise control, dual zone climate control, 6 CD changer etc.
Volvolover said:
Theres an 'awful' lot of money being invested in what is such a clear white elephant, perhaps its only so clear to you?
Plenty of investments have turned out to be white elephants. There are other reasons for investing money other than to develop commercial products and services, e.g. R&D tax credits.And remember, I said passenger cars.
I’m a big fan of hydrogen for non privately owned larger vehicles, vessels and airframes.
Volvolover said:
GT911 said:
Volvolover said:
GT911 said:
kambites said:
GT911 said:
Yeah, to me it has the feel of 'LPG revisited'. Except this time there are no running cost savings....
The difference being that petrol and diesel will quickly cease to be an option. LPG vs liquid fuels.
Hydrogen vs EV.
In any case do you not think it will be possible to run a petrol car through to 2040?
I believe there will be a viable and very cost effective electric option for those users within 15 years.
Which to me makes the hydrogen passenger car option a white elephant in 2040.
if you do buy one your 60k investment turns into 10k in 3 years. That's horrific depreciation.
Money is being invested by a few companies but it's not reaping any reward. Manufacturers are losing money hand over fist, and so are buyers.
GT911 said:
Volvolover said:
Theres an 'awful' lot of money being invested in what is such a clear white elephant, perhaps its only so clear to you?
Plenty of investments have turned out to be white elephants. There are other reasons for investing money other than to develop commercial products and services, e.g. R&D tax credits.And remember, I said passenger cars.
I’m a big fan of hydrogen for non privately owned larger vehicles, vessels and airframes.
I'd be perfectly happy if BEV solves all the problems and Hydrogen goes away for passenger cars but all things considered i'm fairly certain that in 2040 if i want to buy a long range hydrogen passenger car i'm going to be able to, and i'll be able to use it. I think it would be a small % of the UK market, more in other markets but nevertheless I think that's how it will be for reasons given, what actually happens remains to be seen and none of us know that, although what I do know for (RSCOTTS benefit lolololol) is that the green energy surplus will only get bigger and green hydrogen will have a number of uses .
Volvolover said:
... but all things considered i'm fairly certain that in 2040 if i want to buy a long range hydrogen passenger car i'm going to be able to, and i'll be able to use it. I think it would be a small % of the UK market...
That's my take on it too. My gut feeling is that things will ultimately settle down with HFCEVs holding a single figures but non zero percentage of the personal transport market. If I had to guess a figure I'd say maybe 1-5% of the market with a total cost of ownership of somewhere around 2-5 times that of a BEV. kambites said:
Volvolover said:
... but all things considered i'm fairly certain that in 2040 if i want to buy a long range hydrogen passenger car i'm going to be able to, and i'll be able to use it. I think it would be a small % of the UK market...
That's my take on it too. My gut feeling is that things will ultimately settle down with HFCEVs holding a single figures but non zero percentage of the personal transport market. If I had to guess a figure I'd say maybe 1-5% of the market with a total cost of ownership of somewhere around 2-5 times that of a BEV. Volvolover: "although what I do know is that the green energy surplus will only get bigger"
You made that assertion a few pages back. I commented that, for a number of reasons, a genuine surplus seems unlikely any time soon.
Do you have any factual basis for that view or is it just wishful thinking?
Furthermore, even if such a surplus does arise at some point years from now, there will be major difficulties in making use of it because the majority of renewable generation is very diffuse and often remote.
How will those difficulties be overcome?
You made that assertion a few pages back. I commented that, for a number of reasons, a genuine surplus seems unlikely any time soon.
Do you have any factual basis for that view or is it just wishful thinking?
Furthermore, even if such a surplus does arise at some point years from now, there will be major difficulties in making use of it because the majority of renewable generation is very diffuse and often remote.
How will those difficulties be overcome?
Mikehig said:
Volvolover: "although what I do know is that the green energy surplus will only get bigger"
You made that assertion a few pages back. I commented that, for a number of reasons, a genuine surplus seems unlikely any time soon.
Do you have any factual basis for that view or is it just wishful thinking?
Furthermore, even if such a surplus does arise at some point years from now, there will be major difficulties in making use of it because the majority of renewable generation is very diffuse and often remote.
How will those difficulties be overcome?
https://physicsworld.com/a/too-much-of-a-good-thing-an-excess-of-uk-renewables/You made that assertion a few pages back. I commented that, for a number of reasons, a genuine surplus seems unlikely any time soon.
Do you have any factual basis for that view or is it just wishful thinking?
Furthermore, even if such a surplus does arise at some point years from now, there will be major difficulties in making use of it because the majority of renewable generation is very diffuse and often remote.
How will those difficulties be overcome?
Cheers
Volvolover said:
Mikehig said:
Volvolover: "although what I do know is that the green energy surplus will only get bigger"
You made that assertion a few pages back. I commented that, for a number of reasons, a genuine surplus seems unlikely any time soon.
Do you have any factual basis for that view or is it just wishful thinking?
Furthermore, even if such a surplus does arise at some point years from now, there will be major difficulties in making use of it because the majority of renewable generation is very diffuse and often remote.
How will those difficulties be overcome?
https://physicsworld.com/a/too-much-of-a-good-thin...You made that assertion a few pages back. I commented that, for a number of reasons, a genuine surplus seems unlikely any time soon.
Do you have any factual basis for that view or is it just wishful thinking?
Furthermore, even if such a surplus does arise at some point years from now, there will be major difficulties in making use of it because the majority of renewable generation is very diffuse and often remote.
How will those difficulties be overcome?
Cheers
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