when do we get the iPhone 4 moment?

[UnderSteerD]

LG9k said:

Wow, point missed by a mile, there.

I'll simplify.

For many people, most of the time an EV is practicable, but for the most part (at the moment), it's more expensive and less convenient than an ICE.

This means that we are nowhere near "the iphone4 moment" as postulated by the OP.

It'll be a few years yet.

No, I didn't miss the point.

There are many reasons why people buy the cars they buy, not just the initial cost.

I believe the OP's initial question was whether EVs are already at the point where the technology (and cost) are suitable to be genuinely useful and appealing to a large number of people, which I think they are.

Edited by UnderSteerD on Saturday 16th November 11:49

Edited by UnderSteerD on Saturday 16th November 11:50

[LG9k]

UnderSteerD said:

No, I didn't miss the point.

There are many reasons why people buy the cars they buy, not just the initial cost.

I believe the OP's initial question was whether EVs are already at the point where the technology (and cost) are suitable to be genuinely useful and appealing to a large number of people, which I think they are.

It's very clear you did and still do.

You also need to note the context of my reply to gangzoom's post, it might help.

[UnderSteerD]

LG9k said:

It's very clear you did and still do.

You also need to note the context of my reply to gangzoom's post, it might help.

No, I get it. But all (or at least the vast majority of) cars will suffer depreciation and I suspect that the majority of people who buy expensive cars do so with mostly borrowed money. Neither of those things are exclusive to EVs or the people that buy them.

Both of the points you make are true, but they are equally true for Ice vehicles as they are for EVs.

Edited by UnderSteerD on Saturday 16th November 13:08

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jjwilde said:

I thought a recent update stopped the incessant logging?

No, they just added more flash memory so that it takes longer to wear out.

They need the logs for a couple of reasons. First when people crash on autopilot they can use the logs to prove it was the driver's fault and prevent Tesla being liable.

Second they are gathering data to train the AI that is supposed to be able to drive the car by itself next year. When autopilot craps out and the driver is forced to take over they use your wifi to upload some logged data for analysis. They seem to have bet the company on getting full self driving to work in the next few years so aren't going to reduce the amount of logging.

[gangzoom]

LG9k said:

That's all very well, but your car was extremely expensive

Plenty of cheaper EVs around now though.

Been Pistonheads.com our EV was expensive but not more so than an equivalent performance SUV, infact by the number of brand new RRs i see around nursery pick up plenty of people have cash to throw at very expensive cars, EVs or not. But I cannot imagine the running/ownership costs of a RR SVR with similar performance and cargo/people space.

Even a SQ7 burning tractor fuel is substantially more to just fuel, that's before servicing costs, brakes - which on a 2.5ton sub 5 second to 60 SUV is not going to be cheap, etc. But apart from a set of tyres I've not spent any extra costs on servicing, and regen must do 95% of braking on the car, £0 VED, no chance of been banned from city centres, EVs right now are massively subsidised by other road users. When/if mass adoption happens that simply cannot continue.

The real irony of having cheap running costs for EVs is I'm driving the thing far more than our old cars, local trips to the shops which before I would have thought twice about before I now just get in the car and drive, why wouldn't I use the car more when its so cheap to run per mile. In running costs terms its sub 5p per mile including tyre costs, that's cheaper than many bus tickets ......Quite the opposite behaviour you actually want to encourage if you see EVs as been 'green'.

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 16th November 17:28