Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?

[whirlybird]

tamore said:

will be an interesting thread to return to at the turn of the next decade. i reckon EVs will be ubiquitous and fuel for ICE vehicles getting be becoming fairly scarce and very expensive, be it fossil or synthetic.

Ahum, Diesel fuel, Rapeseed Oil/Peanut Oil/ etc etc.

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V6 Pushfit said:

The biggest reduction in carbon footprint is BUY BRITISH and not imported stuff from China or Europe - and that’s related to everything from cars to daily food.

We’ve got used to strawberries at Christmas and it’s got to stop!

One way to save on CO2 is to ban "The Range", My Mrs dragged me kicking and screaming into a local The Range, and I have never seen so much Chinese crap in one place in my life. And sad buggers were queuing to get in, FFS, why. I bet each shop uses an EVERGREEN sized ship full of containers each stuffed with the lowest quality tat the average Karen will fill her council flat with, thinking that Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen has give it a makeover. After a while the Mrs actually saw sense & we headed to buy better quality Chinese crap in B&Q !!!

Edited by whirlybird on Wednesday 9th November 15:06

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DonkeyApple said:

The Range is quite a remarkable temple to the pinnacle and destruction of the human race.

Range Avoidance is a core element to any viable BLT (Buy Less Tat) Strategy.

"RANGE ANXIETY" Now I really understand the saying/phrase, its all now making sense !!!!

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Tobermory said:

V6 Pushfit said:

Evanivitch said:

V6 Pushfit said:

The biggest reduction in carbon footprint is BUY BRITISH and not imported stuff from China or Europe - and that’s related to everything from cars to daily food.

We’ve got used to strawberries at Christmas and it’s got to stop!

Your level of lying is quite astounding.

Youll need to explain now why its a really good idea to ship crap from the far east just because its the latest fashion and why we should eat strawberries shipped from Israel just because we want them on our scones on Boxing day.

It’s not a good idea, but neither is it remotely as environmentally damaging as driving an ICE vehicle instead of switching to an EV. Neither is desirable but the ICE fetishised is much the most damaging. That’s the point being made. Surely you can see that?

WTF ?????, Small ICE good, BIG EV bad !!!!!

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GT6k said:

I know where mine is coming from

OK, but where on the planet were the solar panels made ??? If Chinese then probably using power supplied by a coal burning power station, then shipped on a Heavy Oil powered container ship, then delivered by a diesel lorry, so smoking about in you Scalextric Car really hasn't solved the global warming issue, but if you feel good about your 'green credentials", you can sleep easy at night.

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An event not to be missed!!!!

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Apparently the is "No Charge" to get in !!!!

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jameswills said:

No, not any more as they are being priced out of it. Look at COP27, 400 private jet flights into that. António Guterres, the UN spokesman, who spoke about impending climate disaster I imagine has a larger carbon footprint this year alone in private jet flights than my entire lifetime. And probably doesn’t drive an EV.

The thread title is very much correct IMO.

Many thanks, the thread that keeps on giving !!!!

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Here's a way to save tons of CO2, You take 2 of the most irritating people that are on TV, don't know of them that well !!! but think there called, *unt and Dick.
Then you get a load of people that you've never ever heard off in your life,( and here's the real clever planet saving bit,) you dont fly the bunch of twts
to Australia to eat crap. You can do that at Maccy D's anytime. Just think of all that lovely CO2 that wouldn't now be polluting our planet, and these nobody's would be starved of the "Oxygen of Fame" (My Arse) that they feed on. Goodnight.

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Having stumbled across a Channel 4 Dispatches program called
The truth about electric cars,
I am now even more convinced my thread title is correct !!!!

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Fastlane said:

whirlybird said:

Having stumbled across a Channel 4 Dispatches program called
The truth about electric cars,
I am now even more convinced my thread title is correct !!!!

Well done. Haven't you got anything better to do in your retirement than try to pick an argument with a load of strangers online?

Well you have plenty of time to comment on the thread, and correct , I am retired, BUT don't spend ALL my time just making comments on threads to fill my day !!!! Unlike some posters, who will just comment just for the sake of it, despite what the thread pertains too.

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mabosh said:

Didn't realise that there was such a thing until I walked past my local Co-op Funeral Directors this morning.

That's quite a conversion. Your final journey shall be a silent one.





Not the best photos, I was trying to be discreet.

As I used to work with the company that made the original Leaf based hearse, as you can imagine
I would never be seen dead in one !!!!!!

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Now here's a thought,
India recorded close to 160.000 Road Deaths last year, & plans to sell 30% EV new vehicles in 2030,
So why are we bothering to flood the UK with 100% new EV sales in 2030, when India will still be pumping out 70% CO2 emitting vehicles until who knows when. With all the road deaths I guess the funeral pyres are enough to damage the atmosphere !!!!

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SpeckledJim said:

whirlybird said:

Now here's a thought,
India recorded close to 160.000 Road Deaths last year, & plans to sell 30% EV new vehicles in 2030,
So why are we bothering to flood the UK with 100% new EV sales in 2030, when India will still be pumping out 70% CO2 emitting vehicles until who knows when. With all the road deaths I guess the funeral pyres are enough to damage the atmosphere !!!!

If the answer was ‘to upset you’ would you finally be content?

You don’t want one. That’s fine. Don’t get one. Why are you bothered?

I haven't said I wouldn't want one, but by me buying one will not make a single difference to the current global warming issue.
When China is burning millions of tons of Australian coal, my and your EV purchase would make as much help as pissing in the Pacific !!!

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otolith said:

We aren’t going 100% EV in 2030. That’s for 100% Ev or hybrid.

India’s 2030 target is 30% of private cars, 70% of commercial cars, 40% of buses and 80% of two and three-wheelers by 2030.

Only 8% of Indian families own a car. They are focusing on the sectors their pollution is coming from.

Thats 80.000.0000 cars, ie f:cencored:k load of cars, not including mopeds and tuktuks pushing 300.000.000 vehicles (Says google)

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OutInTheShed said:

whirlybird said:

Thats 80.000.0000 cars, ie f:cencored:k load of cars, not including mopeds and tuktuks pushing 300.000.000 vehicles (Says google)

For accuracy, it's 8% of families not people.
About 22 million cars.

I doubt very much that a country of 1 Billion people only has 22 million cars, that's 2/3rds of UK cars ownership, so no, I stand by my numbers.

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Uhum, now how could we provide chargers for all these ? 'The Bombay Battery Co' ,
or Power Stations, using products from The Sacred Cow Methane Co-Operative

Edited by whirlybird on Thursday 17th November 15:04

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Simon Hunt
Thu, 17 November 2022, 1:00 pm
The Tesla Lucid Air (Tesla)
The Tesla Lucid Air (Tesla)
Jeremy Hunt has introduced a “Tesla Tax” on new electric cars, adding hundreds of pounds to the running cost of the eco-friendly vehicles and sparking concerns that road users could be put off buying an EV.

In his Autumn Statement, the chancellor removed the exemption for EVs from the £335 “premium supplement” on new cars. That means that any person buying an EV worth £40,000 or more could have to pay a whopping £520 for road tax, despite being the greenest option

Hunt told the House of Commons: “Because the OBR forecasts half of all new vehicles will be electric by 2025, to make our motoring tax system fairer I have decided that from April 2025 electric vehicles will no longer be exempt from Vehicle Excise Duty.”

The move, which is set to be implemented in April 2025, has sparked frustration among EV drivers facing higher costs, and has raised fears that drivers looking to switch to environmentally friendly vehicles will be put off the move.

Founder of ChooseMyCar.com, Nick Zapolski, said “This new “Tesla tax” means that some people will now be paying more for their road tax than someone in an old banger, which is not in line with the Government’s green credentials.

“It’s undeniable that the high purchase price of new EVs - and the lack of second hand ones on the market - mean it’s out of reach for many drivers. Any new tax on them will just exacerbate this situation - and could be seen as an indication that other benefits of EV ownership are under threat.

However, RAC head of policy Nicholas Lyes said: “After many years of paying no car tax at all, it’s probably fair the Government gets owners of electric vehicles to start contributing to the upkeep of major roads from 2025

“We don’t expect this tax change to have much of an effect on dampening the demand for electric vehicles given the many other cost benefits of running one.”

Oooh Boo Hoo. My Citigo is Zero VED and so is my Vintage/Historic Car.
As Philip K Dick, wrote: Do EV Cars Dream of Electric Charging Points !!!!

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SpeckledJim said:

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Uhum, now how could we provide chargers for all these ? 'The Bombay Battery Co' ,
or Power Stations, using products from The Sacred Cow Methane Co-Operative

Edited by whirlybird on Thursday 17th November 15:04

Is that photo to help the stupid people you're condescending to educate understand the idea of 'lots of cars'?

How's the open-minded enquiry at the start of the thread holding-up? Still looking to learn new things?

Yes
& Yes

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silent ninja said:

NDNDNDND said:

TheDeuce said:

It does make sense imo.

If a person has essentially lied to themselves and the state about their ability to afford to legally run a car then they should be prevented from running it any further. And of course, if impounded and the costs rack up it becomes totally unaffordable to reclaim the car so it's lost. Having lost the capital value of the car in addition to the costs still being pursued, that person presumably no longer has any hope of getting another car.

The net result is that those that can't run a car responsibly don't have a car and catch the bus. That's not wrong is it? Who on earth is the bus, public transport for, if not those that clearly can't afford private transport? If you've actually tried to run a car and proven to the state, your neighbour and your wife that you can't afford to do so, then what doubt remains? You've done the research and have made damn sure of the fact that you are a person for whom the bus was created.

For balance I can't afford a Ferrari, which is very unfair. We can all only afford to sustain that which we can actually afford. I think the assumption that a car is a basic right has to end. If a person is worrying about fuel bills to heat their home then of course they should not have private transport, they should put heating their home first and do without the luxury of the car.

For many people, depriving them of their car isn't forcing them on to public transport, it's depriving them of transport altogether. It's depriving them of opportunities to work and will have a debilitating impact on their quality of life.

If you consider your ownership of a car to be luxury, then perhaps you're the one who should be giving up their car as you clearly don't need it.

Agree. Public transport is dire outside of London. Car ownership is necessary for economic activity and work, social mobility, and a necessity for basics like healthcare, school, food - or should you pay maximum prices at a local grocery?

A car is not a luxury. some people need a reality check.

Edited by silent ninja on Saturday 19th November 11:25

If anybody in 2023 regards a car ,be it ICE, Hybrid or EV as a luxury then they are not living in this century. Also a fridge, cooker, central heating and TV are essentials, Internet access is useful, but not essential, ( this is based on several friends that still don't have routers at home ). Remote villages with poor or no public transport will limit the residents to local work, especially if it has poor internet access too. I don't regard EV as not an alternate way of building a reliable form of transport, charging issues aside. The best looking in my view being the AUDI E-Tron Quattro, but at around £100K , there not doing 2 things, 1/ flood the EV market & 2/ stop the Maldives from drowning in the next 50 years. I see Nissan have launched an EV , but has an " On Board" petrol charging system, quelle surprise !!!!.