Hydrogen is the future of motoring

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-190...

if you have your own diesel powered lorry to take you to the filling station

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Of course the majority of us would far prefer to travel all the way to swindon to get our car refilled then the horror of being asleep in your bed while an electric car recharges quietly on your driveway.

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MarkRSi said:

thinfourth2 said:

Of course the majority of us would far prefer to travel all the way to swindon to get our car refilled then the horror of being asleep in your bed while an electric car recharges quietly on your driveway.

What's a... "driveway"?

Everyone in the world uses on street parking anyway, next you'll be saying there are people who travel less than 500 miles a day.

I had this thought the other day that was really really stupid

I thought people had electricty in their houses


How dumb was that

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DonkeyApple said:

And noise. I'm a huge fan of electric for urban and pottering use but completely accept the current stumbling blocks.

The sooner the range issue can be resolved the better our lives will be. But I don't agree with the concept of roll in-roll out battery changing. The only credible solution is to use modern composites to make the vehicle as light as it can possibly be and flood key areas with charge points so you can charge the vehicle at both A and B..

Taking the concept a teeny bit further

Do you need to own a car?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULnpYxJ8WrA&lis...

Yes we all want to own a V8 super saloon as we are all powerfully built directors and our penis would fall off if we even caught sight of a car with an engine of less then 3 ltrs

However does your average city dweller need own a car

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otolith said:

CraigyMc said:

Can I have a fusion powered car please?

Well looking at how much the golf has grown since its inception to its current size it is only a matter of time before it is large enough to use a project orion type propulsion

But i don't think Greenpeace would be overly keen on cars using that particular form of propulsion but ZERO co2 so they might like it

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Omshanti said:

I like hydrogen technology because it can be used for both fuel cell electric motors or internal combustion engines. As long as there are internal combustion engines there would be the need for gears hence manual gears will survive. If it's used for internal combustion engines then there isn't really much to change from what there already is either so probably much less cost as well. Unfortunately manufacturers seem to be more interested in using hydrogen for fuel cell electric motors. I remember until few years ago, there were many small companies in Japan competing with each other to perfect the hydrogen technology and many of them were developing hydrogen powered combustion engines. Some of them were even water powered. However, these small companies seem to have all gone bust and disappeared now, for some unknown reason. It's shame a really.
I really want the hydrogen powered combustion engine to take off. Then we can keep making hydrogen powered V8s, V10s and so on with manual transmissions.

This is a news clip I found of one company doing the combustion engine with water and hydrogen. It only emits water, and runs like a petrol car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV2M_1Ud188&fea...

So that is your solution to the oil crisis

A petrol powered mini bus with a plastic bottle of water in the boot fitted with some random pipes and gears




Yes big oil is stopping us from knowing about the incredible technology know as a jam jar

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otolith said:

thinfourth2 said:

So that is your solution to the oil crisis

A petrol powered mini bus with a plastic bottle of water in the boot fitted with some random pipes and gears




Yes big oil is stopping us from knowing about the incredible technology know as a jam jar

That's not just ordinary H2O, that's HHO, which is almost as powerful a transport technology as ROFL.

You do realise that we are both going to be killed tonight by big oil as we have posted the secret of free energy

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Omshanti said:

My whole point is that out of all the proposed alternative technologies, I like the hydrogen powered combustion engine because it would be the same as driving petrol cars

Exhibit A


The nissan micra.

fking boring car and the removal of the petrol engine and replacement of it by an electric motor could not make it any more boring. If anything it would make it more pleasant


Exhibit B


A pony

An animal of no fking use what so ever. It has been made completely redundant by motorised transport. But you can still buy them. It has become a toy.



So if you think that the future of fun motoring is Hydrogen you are hugely wrong. Modern cars are unfeasibly dull. If you think the coming wave of electric cars means the death of fun cars then you are also wrong as fun cars will carry on to exist as petrol won't vanish it will just get bloody expensive.

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roadend1981 said:

Search hydrogen fuel cell on YouTube and car run on water.

So if big oil companies have managed to stop all the different car companies on the planet from selling us cars that run purely on water then can you please explain to me why they haven't managed to get these videos off youtube?

I'd love to know

A huge big evil group of companies that have people killed, companies shut down and have even got the laws of physics re written to protect themselves from us discovering that water burns can't get a crappy video off youtube.

Doesn't that see a trifle odd to you

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roadend1981 said:

Second law thermal dynamics,the way to get round it,is using a 3 phase alternative current.

You WHAT

Have you any idea what 3 phase alternating current is?

If so how do you get 3 phase alternating current from a 12V car considering 3 phase in the UK is 440V

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CedricN said:

Hydrogen is just a energy carrier, and a little complicated type. To create hydrogen you need power, and where will that power come from? As 2/3 of the world energy production is based on fossile fules, were just moving around emissions, just like electrical cars. Last time I checked the efficiency on a coal plant was better then a petrol car, but that hasnt taken into accoutn that you have to move the electricity, charge the car and then discharge when you drive. So in the end a coal power based electric car takes you nowhere..

http://elways.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Elgene...
http://elways.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fig1.p...

When we have a solution to the problem above, then there is a point in using electric/hydrogen cars, until then its just BS

Which is one of the plus sides

You move the soot and crap out of the city

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edward1 said:

We don't work locally any more. A 100 mile round trip to the office is now normal.

Normal ?

okay 100 miles a day, 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year gives 24000 miles a year

According to a government survey the average milage is roughly 8000 miles a year

So either we all own 3 cars or a 100 mile round trip is far from normal

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DonkeyApple said:

CedricN said:

Hydrogen is just a energy carrier, and a little complicated type. To create hydrogen you need power, and where will that power come from? As 2/3 of the world energy production is based on fossile fules, were just moving around emissions, just like electrical cars. Last time I checked the efficiency on a coal plant was better then a petrol car, but that hasnt taken into accoutn that you have to move the electricity, charge the car and then discharge when you drive. So in the end a coal power based electric car takes you nowhere..

http://elways.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Elgene...
http://elways.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fig1.p...

When we have a solution to the problem above, then there is a point in using electric/hydrogen cars, until then its just BS

I agree but disagree with the conclusion.

The whole problem with the EV concept is that it has been hijacked by political militants and their uneducated underlings.

Sure, if you see the EV as the savour of humanity then you are a fool and the concept is fatally flawed.

But, if you don't give a flying fk about all the lies and distortions over fossil fuels or pollution etc then you are free to see the other benefits of EVs.

Car companies are busy trying to fit as many auto gears to be as smooth as possible. As much sound deadening to be as quiet as possible. Make the vehicle as light as possible etc etc.

These are all things an EV can already do and will always do better.

The only single problem is range but work out where the majority of local journeys are to and install charge points. The costs is hidden in the shopping centre parking ticket and it texts you charge updates.

Forget this idiocy of individual and random charge points on the street. Whenever someone takes a car out they will invariably stop in a car park. That is where you put the charge points.

The simple reality is that EVs are doomed to failure because the agenda is driven by political activists, dreamers, cult leaders and in general the types of people who normal humans are genetically programmed to be wary of and avoid/ignore.

I had a go in the company pool car which is a 1 year old Audi A6 diesel and to be frank after a brief drive in a Leaf the leaf pisses all over the Audi on the whole being a nice quiet place to be front.

The only thing i disagree with is the range issue

I think it is a problem of perception of a problem then a real problem.

A 2 car family is far from unusual these days so a EV can happily fill the role of one of those cars.

Most people outside the odd world of pistonheads work 8 hours a day at one place and then go home and sleep in the same place for 8 hours which gives you two 8 hour long chances to charge a car.

This can work for many folk of course someone will now pop up and cry that they sleep for 3 minutes a night before driving 1000 miles a day and electric car would never work for them. So how on earth could they use an electric car. the answer is 1 they have a very strange life and 2 buy a petrol car you tard.

Yes a hydrogen car would solve this but looking at the market today i can point out that a hydrogen car would never work for me as i don't live in Swindon where the hydrogen filling station is. A hydrogen car also removes one of the advantages of an EV. You can't charge it at home.

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Steameh said:

Just a quick question, what sort of noise do these make, can you get decent engine sounds from a hydrogen car?

Seeing that a hydrogen car is more then likely to be fuel cell then it will sound the same as an electric car

but this is where my greatest fear of the electric car comes from

I'm not bothered about freezing to death on a cold motorway with a flat battery, perfectly happy with dying in a lithium fire, not even vaguely bothered about having to wait 12 hours while it recharges and i really couldn't care if the car loses 99% of its value in 3 seconds

This is what i fear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1CzoqEyACQ

The synthetic noise generator

As this will be taken by the stupid and altered and made louder and more annoying

your future is this bd


Being blasted out of some clapped out old EV at 100dB by some young chavvy little st at midnight

I want my electric car future to be silent