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It totally pains me to say it, i've given in and ordered a model 3 long range.
A combination of discounts on lease(its a company car), delivery time(4 weeks), together with range means its the only thing that would work for me. I really dislike tesla's, I dislike the build quality. I like the range.
The massive nudge is my own car having increased in value by 10k over what I paid for it 9 months ago, so the time feels right to make the jump.
Hopefully in 3 years, they'll be more options, shorter lead times.
A combination of discounts on lease(its a company car), delivery time(4 weeks), together with range means its the only thing that would work for me. I really dislike tesla's, I dislike the build quality. I like the range.
The massive nudge is my own car having increased in value by 10k over what I paid for it 9 months ago, so the time feels right to make the jump.
Hopefully in 3 years, they'll be more options, shorter lead times.
SWoll said:
You've made £10k in 9 months on a diesel Mercedes wagon? The worlds gone insane..
Amusing that you'll be getting yours at exactly the same time as ours goes back after all the sparring over the past couple of years. We're swapping for an eTron as range not an issue for us and fancy something more luxurious/comfortable, which ironically was always your complaint about the Model 3.
Enjoy.
Totally. I did look at an etron, however with an order now, for the spec i'd like, it'd be May delivery.Amusing that you'll be getting yours at exactly the same time as ours goes back after all the sparring over the past couple of years. We're swapping for an eTron as range not an issue for us and fancy something more luxurious/comfortable, which ironically was always your complaint about the Model 3.
Enjoy.
It is bonkers about the e400d - Just seems like a sensible time to jump out. I'm hopeful the chinese made Model 3's will be a bit better screwed together than the US ones.
LordFlathead said:
ajap1979 said:
Haha, having read many of your comments on Tesla threads, I am very surprised!
Agree! Having been told my car is crap etc I did find this mildly amusing. But it is a lease car, not owned, so he can give it back when the lease it up and then carry on b
hing about it 
. I did say its got a great drivetrain......... that still stands. I blame market forces!
SWoll said:
jason61c said:
SWoll said:
You've made £10k in 9 months on a diesel Mercedes wagon? The worlds gone insane..
Amusing that you'll be getting yours at exactly the same time as ours goes back after all the sparring over the past couple of years. We're swapping for an eTron as range not an issue for us and fancy something more luxurious/comfortable, which ironically was always your complaint about the Model 3.
Enjoy.
Totally. I did look at an etron, however with an order now, for the spec i'd like, it'd be May delivery.Amusing that you'll be getting yours at exactly the same time as ours goes back after all the sparring over the past couple of years. We're swapping for an eTron as range not an issue for us and fancy something more luxurious/comfortable, which ironically was always your complaint about the Model 3.
Enjoy.
It is bonkers about the e400d - Just seems like a sensible time to jump out. I'm hopeful the chinese made Model 3's will be a bit better screwed together than the US ones.
Imagine the range on the eTron would have been an issue for you anyway? I'm not expecting to average much over 200 miles from the 55 despite the big battery.
the new bmw looks good for range, however the cost of 'extras' just made it a 'no' for me.
gangzoom said:
jason61c said:
A combination of discounts on lease(its a company car), delivery time(4 weeks), together with range means its the only thing that would work for me. I really dislike tesla's, I dislike the build quality. I like the range.
Sorry but none of that makes any sense, there are more EV options around than ever. No one is making you order a Tesla, buy something you actually like.....unless ofcourse this is your way of coming out of the closet .None that I can get in 4 weeks.
gangzoom said:
jason61c said:
There’s none with the price/range combo. I really want 200miles motorway speed all year round.
None that I can get in 4 weeks.
A Kona/Niro will do 200 miles all year round at 70mph, and be cheaper to buy, more reliable and better built.None that I can get in 4 weeks.
The Long range MG5 EV will also do 200 miles at 70mph with no issues, and again for alot cheaper than any Tesla.
You have plenty of choice, the only reason anyone gets a Tesla over any other EV these days is because they want one. Its not that hard to admit you actually want a Tesla
.nordboy said:
So, I've been pondering an EV for a few months, personal car, not business. I currently have a BMW 540i touring on PCP but with the crazy used prices, I can punt it on an leave a few quid in my pocket for the next car.
BUT, even something like a Kona, unless I put near enough £8k deposit down, I can't get my monthlies anywhere near what I pay for my BMW. This is what's going to keep the EV market down? Why would I chop in my lovely 540 for a Kia (or other brand) EV with much lower spec etc, for more money??
And a premium EV is at least double the monthly payments.
Doesn't currently make much sense to move to an EV?
I'm selling my e400d all-terrain while the market is high(10k more than I paid 10 months ago is the current best offer). BUT, even something like a Kona, unless I put near enough £8k deposit down, I can't get my monthlies anywhere near what I pay for my BMW. This is what's going to keep the EV market down? Why would I chop in my lovely 540 for a Kia (or other brand) EV with much lower spec etc, for more money??
And a premium EV is at least double the monthly payments.
Doesn't currently make much sense to move to an EV?
EV only really makes sense(IMO) if you can get one as a company car. They're very expensive otherwise.
LukeBrown66 said:
My point was that most people who are buying outright are going to be in the second hand market, leasing companies want you to lease obviously it benefits them hugely.
But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.
So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.
In 3 years the secondhand market will be full of them, once all the company leases expire. At that point, they’ll be choice and issues will be known about.But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.
So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.
Same as any other circa £50k car.
People buying them aren’t ‘rich’. 95% of prior I know have them to save money.
Volvolover said:
jason61c said:
LukeBrown66 said:
My point was that most people who are buying outright are going to be in the second hand market, leasing companies want you to lease obviously it benefits them hugely.
But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.
So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.
In 3 years the secondhand market will be full of them, once all the company leases expire. At that point, they’ll be choice and issues will be known about.But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.
So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.
Same as any other circa £50k car.
People buying them aren’t ‘rich’. 95% of prior I know have them to save money.
TheRainMaker said:
Am I the only struggling with someone buying a car they don’t like?
Seems mad to me.
It was a struggle to me, in the end, it came down to £££. Thats the long and short of it.Seems mad to me.
Used prices are so high that I see circa £10k extra back on my current daily.
I'm hopeful the Chinese built model 3's are better built than the American ones.
Tesla's are 'cheap' to lease at the min with very short lead times, which fits well with the low BIK thats projected for the next 3 years
I'm mentally separating it as a white goods choice.
gangzoom said:
It does seem like a whole load of people that cannot stand Tesla's, cannot make EVs them for what ever reason are coming to get them anyways on the basis that they are on the company car scheme.
Surely if you hate something so much, and it doesn't work for you its far better to take the cash option and use that to run/fund a car that you enjoy?
I'm still really puzzled why the OP has ordered a Tesla when there is so much other choice around, even a cheapo used 320d am will bring the OP more joy, not to mention cash back in their pocket?
As before, it was on budget and 6 weeks to delivery.Surely if you hate something so much, and it doesn't work for you its far better to take the cash option and use that to run/fund a car that you enjoy?
I'm still really puzzled why the OP has ordered a Tesla when there is so much other choice around, even a cheapo used 320d am will bring the OP more joy, not to mention cash back in their pocket?
The better options were est may onwards. Given how it helps me juggle my finances it was time to make a decision, quickly.
ashenfie said:
I not sure purchasing a Tesla just because you can is a great decision making process and I hope it works out.
No one said it was 'just because'.Its also not a purchase, its a company lease.......
means I drop my daily, I can put extra cash into pension's(saving tax).
So it all stacks up.
FeelingLucky said:
Junior Bianno said:
I'm amazed by the negativity to the Model 3 in this thread. I absolutely love my M3P, and my car history has pretty much mostly been Porsches and M cars, so it's not like I've been driving about in bangers by comparison.
It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
Agreed, 4x Porsches 2x M3 (BMW) and currently a Model 3P, and I absolutely love it.It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
I took a mate to Tesla Birmingham a couple of weeks ago to collect a 3LR (i assume made in China) and the build quality was absolutely first rate, panel gaps particularly have come on in leaps and bounds, neither of us could fault it.
SWoll said:
WestyCarl said:
And another, 1 month into M3 LR ownership and loving it. Previous 3 cars were various 5 Series and I cannot realistically tell the differance in quality. For most other things, driving, convieniance, infotainment, features the M3 LR is better.
That surprises me. I came from a succession of 5-Series, E-class, A6 company cars and the Model 3 is clearly in a class below from a quality/materials perspective IMHO. Don't get me wrong, it should be as it's actually a 3 series rival. The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
However having been in an iD3. it can't be that bad!??
from when the order went in to me getting my first text, it took a week. how long after that till you get a vin/proper delivery date? I know they're showing December online for delivery.
Also, there's a good chance I'll be away for some of November, will they just be able to drop it on the drive and post the key card etc etc? in a no faff style?
Also, there's a good chance I'll be away for some of November, will they just be able to drop it on the drive and post the key card etc etc? in a no faff style?
Car arrived yesterday.
What I can say is that it feels miles better in everyway being a Chinese built model 3 over the American one I used 18 months ago.
Quality is good, nothing wrong with panel gaps. I'm actually struggling to find what it is that's wrong with it(looks and price tag aside).
Went for the blue, black interior and 19" wheels.
What I can say is that it feels miles better in everyway being a Chinese built model 3 over the American one I used 18 months ago.
Quality is good, nothing wrong with panel gaps. I'm actually struggling to find what it is that's wrong with it(looks and price tag aside).
Went for the blue, black interior and 19" wheels.
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