EVs... no one wants them!

[ChocolateFrog]

Jk89 said:

Don’t know much about EV’s as they don’t interest me, but Taycans look good value and extended warranty seems cheap.

Are they a bad EV?

Hard trying to find balanced opinions on EV’s because they are so polarising.

Rent one for a week or so and live with it.

[ChocolateFrog]

Scootersp said:

Periodic £10K EC budget check (over 1/3 of all autotrader cars are below this price)

Estates x2 MG's
SUV only MG or Kia Souls (SUV tag for them a bit dubious?)

Coupes even more dubious here! Citroen Ami, Renault Twizy or Smart fortwo (I don't think any are over 100 miles range)

Tesla model S £9k 148K miles and a battery issue?

So nothing fun, large or practical EV wise for a huge part of the buying public.

There's loads of practical EVs.

Fun is also subjective. 99% of drivers think point and squirt performance is way more fun than the asthmatic run-of-the-mill ICE they've swapped out of.

Fun in the sense that you mean is an almost worthless niche to any manufacturer other than the likes of Porsche and even then we've been told endlessly for the last 20 years that they have to build SUVs to make the fun cars viable.

And even on the large point. I walked past an EV9 the other day, it's pretty bloody big, how big an EV are you wanting?

[740EVTORQUES]

KingGary said:

page3 said:

KingGary said:

Better than what? Only people who say that EVs are
better are the ones who already own/rent them and need their life choices, and love of spreadsheets to be validated by others. Call me names if it makes you feel better, I’d rather be unpopular than boring.

Edited by KingGary on Monday 27th May 19:23

I’d say that all EV owners have been or still are ICE owners so they’re coming from a position of experience.

And authority no doubt, unless you’ve always driven st cars, electrical, ICE or otherwise. Tell us about your Suzuki Wagon R.

Never tried one of those. I’d happily tell you about my Porsche 997 or my NSX, but really I’d rather tell you how good my EV6 is as that’s what I choose to drive most days!

[nickfrog]

KingGary said:

Better than what? Only people who say that EVs are
better are the ones who already own/rent them and need their life choices, and love of spreadsheets to be validated by others.

You're projecting here Gary. I don't have one yet but overall I think they are betterfor me for mere road driving. I'll still have an ICE for track days though.

You're also confirming that you can't accept that some things can be subjective.

[Unreal]

We need an EV fan bingo card.

[KingGary]

nickfrog said:

KingGary said:

Better than what? Only people who say that EVs are
better are the ones who already own/rent them and need their life choices, and love of spreadsheets to be validated by others.

You're projecting here Gary. I don't have one yet but overall I think they are betterfor me for mere road driving. I'll still have an ICE for track days though.

You're also confirming that you can't accept that some things can be subjective.

Not really, I just get tired of being called names just because I have a different point of view. There are a few bullies on this thread, who simply cannot accept that EVs don’t work for everyone and some of us just don’t want one. Hence the thread’s title.

[plfrench]

KingGary said:

nickfrog said:

KingGary said:

Better than what? Only people who say that EVs are
better are the ones who already own/rent them and need their life choices, and love of spreadsheets to be validated by others.

You're projecting here Gary. I don't have one yet but overall I think they are betterfor me for mere road driving. I'll still have an ICE for track days though.

You're also confirming that you can't accept that some things can be subjective.

Not really, I just get tired of being called names just because I have a different point of view. There are a few bullies on this thread, who simply cannot accept that EVs don’t work for everyone and some of us just don’t want one. Hence the thread’s title .

Which would make sense if that was what the title read… although I guess ‘EVs… some people want them and others don’t’ Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it as is far too truthful

[LowTread]

KingGary said:

nickfrog said:

KingGary said:

Better than what? Only people who say that EVs are
better are the ones who already own/rent them and need their life choices, and love of spreadsheets to be validated by others.

You're projecting here Gary. I don't have one yet but overall I think they are betterfor me for mere road driving. I'll still have an ICE for track days though.

You're also confirming that you can't accept that some things can be subjective.

Not really, I just get tired of being called names just because I have a different point of view. There are a few bullies on this thread, who simply cannot accept that EVs don’t work for everyone and some of us just don’t want one. Hence the thread’s title.

Hang on a sec. YOU'RE getting tired??? You're one of the main protagonists on this thread that can't accept that some people have an EV that they're very happy with. All of those people that either still own an ICE car, or have moved from ICE to EV, so are coming from a place of experience.

The thread title of "EVs...nobody wants one" was always designed to bait EV owners into replying as to why they DO want one.

Coming on here to slam people's real world experience as "nonsense" or "evangelism" is just plain rude.

If you don't want an EV then don't buy one. Nobody is forcing you to.

I don't really want another Caterham to use as a daily driver, but i'm not on the Caterham sub-forum telling everyone why one doesn't fit my use case.

[Monkeylegend]

KingGary said:

Monkeylegend said:

KingGary said:

I’d rather be unpopular than boring.

Edited by KingGary on Monday 27th May 19:23

The problem is you end up being both

Issue here is it’s just the internet. In the real world nobody cares what either of us thinks

The problem is that PH see many "new posters" on here who burst through the door, all guns ablaze, with their prolific posting rates, targetting particular threads and airing their extreme views and they need to be reminded of the pecking order by the more mature, knowledgeable old timers, only then to disappear again as quickly as they arrived.

Probably very much the way they are in the real world as well

[otolith]

(RR Spectre)

Saweep said:

It's a shame they didn't engineer it for both powertrains; I'm sure that must have been possible.

The drivetrain components are very different shapes and sizes, which tends to result in both versions of a car designed to accommodate both being suboptimal.

[Wills2]

LowTread said:

The thread title of "EVs...nobody wants one" was always designed to bait EV owners into replying as to why they DO want one.

It really wasn't, the title is "EVs... no one wants them!" and the OP was referring to his attempts to sell it back into the market via the trade, but this is PH so the bickering started.

[SWoll]

KingGary said:

Not really, I just get tired of being called names just because I have a different point of view. There are a few bullies on this thread, who simply cannot accept that EVs don’t work for everyone and some of us just don’t want one. Hence the thread’s title.

Find me a single post in the 708 page history of this thread where anyone has made that assertion.

And you might want to read the thread title as others have pointed out.

[Scootersp]

ChocolateFrog said:

There's loads of practical EVs.

Fun is also subjective. 99% of drivers think point and squirt performance is way more fun than the asthmatic run-of-the-mill ICE they've swapped out of.

Fun in the sense that you mean is an almost worthless niche to any manufacturer other than the likes of Porsche and even then we've been told endlessly for the last 20 years that they have to build SUVs to make the fun cars viable.

And even on the large point. I walked past an EV9 the other day, it's pretty bloody big, how big an EV are you wanting?

it's the £10k budget that I'm being specific about here not EV's in general, I am merely looking at the trickle down over time, given that almost my complete motoring life has been sub £10K cars and it's been great. If you look at sub £10K EV's they are generally (currently) the ones you can't be too excited about and aren't so practical.

Yes if you have the budget choice is wider, practicality, range, fun, performance etc can all be much better but without a large budget, currently EV estates, SUV and coupes are not yet (even close) competitors for ICE estates, SUV and coupes?

This is my only point. When the thread title is EV no one wants them, I'm just saying many people have lower budgets and so for them it's I don't want any I can currently afford.

Would a Tesla owner, if they had a limited budget, really buy a Kia Soul, Smart fortwo or MG, over a say a BMW/Volvo estate, SUV or Coupe

[greenarrow]

ZX10R NIN said:

There's no problem with electric cars, everyone is very aware of their benefits & limitations, very similar to diesel cars, which are often criticised too.

The simple answer as always is to buy the drivetrain that suits YOUR needs end of. Criticising someone who buys one because it suits them is where the problem is.

Are they the be all & end all answer? Of course they're not but they are a decent alternative for certain usage in the same way a diesel/diesel hybrid drivetrain is a good option for others & a petrol/petrol hybrid covers most bases.

Careful, that sort of considered, balanced and reasonable thought won't go down well on a Pistonheads thread involving EVs!!! (I think I said something similar about 50 or so pages back btw..)

[SWoll]

Scootersp said:

it's the £10k budget that I'm being specific about here not EV's in general, I am merely looking at the trickle down over time, given that almost my complete motoring life has been sub £10K cars and it's been great. If you look at sub £10K EV's they are generally (currently) the ones you can't be too excited about and aren't so practical.

Yes if you have the budget choice is wider, practicality, range, fun, performance etc can all be much better but without a large budget, currently EV estates, SUV and coupes are not yet (even close) competitors for ICE estates, SUV and coupes?

This is my only point. When the thread title is EV no one wants them, I'm just saying many people have lower budgets and so for them it's I don't want any I can currently afford.

Would a Tesla owner, if they had a limited budget, really buy a Kia Soul, Smart fortwo or MG, over a say a BMW/Volvo estate, SUV or Coupe

EV's have been available in decent numbers for < 4 years and model choice is still limited. Why would you expect to have a plethora of options at your arbitrary £10k budget, and how manty ICE cars of a similar vintage would meet your requirements?

[KingGary]

SWoll said:

KingGary said:

Not really, I just get tired of being called names just because I have a different point of view. There are a few bullies on this thread, who simply cannot accept that EVs don’t work for everyone and some of us just don’t want one. Hence the thread’s title.

Find me a single post in the 708 page history of this thread where anyone has made that assertion.

And you might want to read the thread title as others have pointed out.

Scrimpton said:

Gary repeatedly ignores people telling him that the cheapness is a bonus and the fact they're better is why people buy them. Don't be thick like Gary.

Dave200 said:

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you Gary?

Here are a couple of brave souls prepared to insult others simply for having a different point of view. All I said was the technology of EVs isn’t good enough yet for me to consider buying one.

As for the thread’s title: “EVS... NO ONE WANTS THEM!” What do you think it means?

[LowTread]

Hilariously conflicting statements on here.

1. EVs are depreciating heavily and are worthless after 3 years because nobody wants them and the batteries are ready for landfill.

2. I have £10k to spend on an EV and can't find a decent one because they're too expensive.

[Muzzer79]

KingGary said:

SWoll said:

KingGary said:

Not really, I just get tired of being called names just because I have a different point of view. There are a few bullies on this thread, who simply cannot accept that EVs don’t work for everyone and some of us just don’t want one. Hence the thread’s title.

Find me a single post in the 708 page history of this thread where anyone has made that assertion.

And you might want to read the thread title as others have pointed out.

Scrimpton said:

Gary repeatedly ignores people telling him that the cheapness is a bonus and the fact they're better is why people buy them. Don't be thick like Gary.

Dave200 said:

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you Gary?

Here are a couple of brave souls prepared to insult others simply for having a different point of view. All I said was the technology of EVs isn’t good enough yet for me to consider buying one.

Come on now Gary - stand by your assertions. You didn't only say you didn't want one did you....?

KingGary said:

This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.

KingGary said:

Scrimpton said:

I'd pay extra to avoid petrol for a day to day wagon. I'd pay double never to have to drive a skanky diesel. The cheapness is a bonus not the main motivation.

You sound like you wear rubber gloves and a PPE mask 365 days of the year.

[romft123]

Scootersp said:

ChocolateFrog said:

There's loads of practical EVs.

Fun is also subjective. 99% of drivers think point and squirt performance is way more fun than the asthmatic run-of-the-mill ICE they've swapped out of.

Fun in the sense that you mean is an almost worthless niche to any manufacturer other than the likes of Porsche and even then we've been told endlessly for the last 20 years that they have to build SUVs to make the fun cars viable.

And even on the large point. I walked past an EV9 the other day, it's pretty bloody big, how big an EV are you wanting?

it's the £10k budget that I'm being specific about here not EV's in general, I am merely looking at the trickle down over time, given that almost my complete motoring life has been sub £10K cars and it's been great. If you look at sub £10K EV's they are generally (currently) the ones you can't be too excited about and aren't so practical.

Yes if you have the budget choice is wider, practicality, range, fun, performance etc can all be much better but without a large budget, currently EV estates, SUV and coupes are not yet (even close) competitors for ICE estates, SUV and coupes?

This is my only point. When the thread title is EV no one wants them, I'm just saying many people have lower budgets and so for them it's I don't want any I can currently afford.

Would a Tesla owner, if they had a limited budget, really buy a Kia Soul, Smart fortwo or MG, over a say a BMW/Volvo estate, SUV or Coupe

A new shape big battery Leaf under 10K isnt exciting?

[LowTread]

romft123 said:

A new shape big battery Leaf under 10K isnt exciting?

Where's that "not sure if serious" meme gone