Are XKR’s so unloved that there have been no bids at all?
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ITP said:
JNW1 said:
ITP said:
Funk said:
I admire his optimism...!
This thread is very odd.If you search autotrader and pistonheads classifieds for a 5.0 XKR under 50k miles, it’s the cheapest one in the country! Everyone is talking like it’s massively overpriced for some reason. Sure, advertised price is not what things always sell for, but it’s starting out as the cheapest? There are category cars and ones with 90-100k for sale at 15k or so, but hardly the same.
So as long as you are not a trader wanting to buy in stock from a closed trade auction, and are a private buyer, it all just seems a bit odd.
It also sounds like we've one or two contributors who are in the trade and their view seems to be cars like this are struggling to command decent bids - or indeed much interest at all - when they come to auction. Therefore, the implication is the market for them is poor generally at the moment and hence offers are likely to be at the lower end of the spectrum.
Put it all together and I think that's why a number on here felt the £15k bid on that car on the PH auction was decent and the vendor should have taken it. However, from his latest advert the vendor seems to be sticking out for £18k so it will be interesting to see if it sells!
Of course for a quick sale you can undercut everyone else by ‘000’s, let’s be honest, it’s easy selling something quickly if you price it cheaply, but I don’t know many people who would do that without trying at a similar price to all the others first.
But I'm not saying they're right and you're wrong, I'm just saying I can see their point of view as well as yours. And of course the acid test is what happens to the car now it's in the PH classifieds; if it disappears quickly maybe the vendor's got close to what he wanted and his valuation wasn't a million miles off but if it hangs around - and the price gets reduced by a thousand or so - that will suggest otherwise.
As we get into short days & cold weather, and as economic reality bites, the vendor will get disillusioned with chasing the market down.
What he should have done is take advantage of the 'spotlight' that his car received from the auction, advertise it for £16K and sell it for that & move on with his life. At this rate he'll be taking his 911 to Halfords for servicing......
What he should have done is take advantage of the 'spotlight' that his car received from the auction, advertise it for £16K and sell it for that & move on with his life. At this rate he'll be taking his 911 to Halfords for servicing......
Of course the price that it sells for in the end is what it’s worth. The auction said it’s worth 16.2k.
Because of fees buyer would only get 15k, which wasn’t enough for him. Personally, I don’t think an XKR is rare enough to get a good price at auction, he should have just listed it on AT or pistonheads first, and waited, as you have to do on cars like this. If everyone else started dropping their prices lower than his then I guess he would drop them, I suppose he doesn’t want to be first to drop his asking price.
With regard to proximity to dealer prices, like I said earlier, maybe the cheapest dealer car is not so good condition wise as the more expensive dealer cars, so apples may not be being compared to apples, and the gap for a like for like car may be 3k or so. Condition is pretty important on these and can make a big difference on price.
Maybe he could renegotiate the 90k 911 turbo as that must be dropping too to offset his XKR value!
Because of fees buyer would only get 15k, which wasn’t enough for him. Personally, I don’t think an XKR is rare enough to get a good price at auction, he should have just listed it on AT or pistonheads first, and waited, as you have to do on cars like this. If everyone else started dropping their prices lower than his then I guess he would drop them, I suppose he doesn’t want to be first to drop his asking price.
With regard to proximity to dealer prices, like I said earlier, maybe the cheapest dealer car is not so good condition wise as the more expensive dealer cars, so apples may not be being compared to apples, and the gap for a like for like car may be 3k or so. Condition is pretty important on these and can make a big difference on price.
Maybe he could renegotiate the 90k 911 turbo as that must be dropping too to offset his XKR value!
Edited by ITP on Wednesday 27th September 12:46
TREMAiNE said:
"£18,000 no offers"
The guy comes across as such a mug.
Really? The guy comes across as such a mug.
What makes you think he's/she's a mug?
I'd say he's trying to save himself from the "what's your best price or will you take 5k less than the asking price messages" I bet he'd negotiate once you're stood in front of them & are making a sensible offer once you've ceen the condition of the car, as well as it's service history.
“No offers” doesn’t stop the dimwits because they don’t even read. Or they selectively read. Or just read what they want to hear.
I’ve had to entertain people asking questions that I’ve bullet point answered in my advert before.
And they get all uppity when I point that out.
Saying “no offers” just marks you out as needlessly grumpy to the possible nice buyers out there.
I’ve had to entertain people asking questions that I’ve bullet point answered in my advert before.
And they get all uppity when I point that out.
Saying “no offers” just marks you out as needlessly grumpy to the possible nice buyers out there.
I wanted to buy this car, and probably would for £16k, but the tone of the vendor's response to my question during the auction puts me off of even bothering.
I know one is buying the car, not the person selling it, but really I can't be bothered dealing with arrogant and aggressive vendors like this - it's not like this car is unique or particularly special, another will come along shortly, equally nice, but from a more pleasant vendor with whom I might wish to strike a deal.
After all, I can't bear vendors who make it hard work, the buying process should be part of the fun when buying a weekend toy.
I know one is buying the car, not the person selling it, but really I can't be bothered dealing with arrogant and aggressive vendors like this - it's not like this car is unique or particularly special, another will come along shortly, equally nice, but from a more pleasant vendor with whom I might wish to strike a deal.
After all, I can't bear vendors who make it hard work, the buying process should be part of the fun when buying a weekend toy.
GeniusOfLove said:
ITP said:
As for webuyanycar, haha, nobody sells a car like this to them or pays any attention to their lowball offers.
I beg to differ, at any one time there can be well over a dozen XKs of various ages and specs that came in to BCA through WBAC, amusingly I get to see many of the £30k low mileage Autotrader cars go though BCA as WBAC cars a week before they get listed on Autotrader with a 100% markup.You also see plenty of Aston Martins, Maseratis, and the odd Ferrari or Lamborghini come through WBAC ranging from a month old to ancient stuff dragged out of a barn.
In the last six months I've personally bought two supercharged Jaguars at trade auction that came in through WBAC, I know that the previous owners of both my X351 supersport and X150 XKR sold them to WBAC for half what they paid a year and two years before respectively, having used both I can say neither were traded in to dispose of a ticking timebomb. Apparently for many people it's worth £10k+ not to mess around with d
head buyers.If you keep an eye on the XKRs on AT they'll often sit around for a very long time indeed, maybe if you're patient you might get £18k - £19k for a car like this but in the meantime plenty will turn up at £14k - £15k and sell quickly. If the car has absolutely nothing interesting about it, like this silver on black coupe, best of luck getting top whack for it.
You're also on a road to nowhere if you're a private seller who thinks they can sell an old Jag for anything approaching the same price as a dealer with the backup that implies. As various people have said through the thread 14k - 15k is about right for a private sale of this car, you might get 18k for the same car very well presented at a decent dealer.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Monday 25th September 10:51
volvos60s60 said:
I wanted to buy this car, and probably would for £16k, but the tone of the vendor's response to my question during the auction puts me off of even bothering.
I know one is buying the car, not the person selling it, but really I can't be bothered dealing with arrogant and aggressive vendors like this - it's not like this car is unique or particularly special, another will come along shortly, equally nice, but from a more pleasant vendor with whom I might wish to strike a deal.
After all, I can't bear vendors who make it hard work, the buying process should be part of the fun when buying a weekend toy.
Do you know obviously I have read your contributions on here over the years and enjoyed them and I totally agree with what you are saying . I thought for £16k it was a good buy though from a long association with buying and selling Jaguars I reckoned £15k would be the bid . The vendor lost me completely with his " Johnny Big bI know one is buying the car, not the person selling it, but really I can't be bothered dealing with arrogant and aggressive vendors like this - it's not like this car is unique or particularly special, another will come along shortly, equally nice, but from a more pleasant vendor with whom I might wish to strike a deal.
After all, I can't bear vendors who make it hard work, the buying process should be part of the fun when buying a weekend toy.
ks " Posts about Porsches and Membership of various Jaguar Clubs . Here was yourself genuinely coveting the Car and anxiously asking a few questions and it was like " I am the Owner of a very used £80,000 911 Turbo S how dare you question my maintenance of this third hand Jaguar ". Personally I winced at that . Then we had the Membership of the various Jaguar Clubs ( as if one isn't enough) anxiously trying to somehow prove his Enthusiast credentials and get a bit of status above us mere mortals . I fully accept I may have this wrong but that's how it came across to me and I suspect some others too . As I have often found to my cost on social Media , there are correct ways and wrong ways to express yourself .How different would it have been if he had said for instance " I have just bought a Porsche which doubtless will cost me a fortune in maintenance and sadly I have to let the Jaguar go ". Right away everyone would have been sympathetic because we all have been in his position .
The membership of the Jaguar Clubs could have been mentioned as " I am a member of several Jaguar clubs and I am going to miss the good advice and happy times I have spent in their company ". Expressed in this way everyone would have been thinking fair play to the bloke but instead we felt this Bloke is hard work . Why don't you try and chase him down and offer him £16k ?
Edited by reddiesel on Thursday 28th September 08:46
RD, thanks for your reply.
I've already decided I can't be bothered dealing with the vendor, the car is 100 miles from me and to go up there and hear the aggressive & defensive drivel and waste my time is not my ideal of a good way to spend a Saturday.
He said 'no offers' and that exactly what he deserves
I've already decided I can't be bothered dealing with the vendor, the car is 100 miles from me and to go up there and hear the aggressive & defensive drivel and waste my time is not my ideal of a good way to spend a Saturday.
He said 'no offers' and that exactly what he deserves
volvos60s60 said:
RD, thanks for your reply.
I've already decided I can't be bothered dealing with the vendor, the car is 100 miles from me and to go up there and hear the aggressive & defensive drivel and waste my time is not my ideal of a good way to spend a Saturday.
He said 'no offers' and that exactly what he deserves
The guy does sound like an utter tosser to be honest.I've already decided I can't be bothered dealing with the vendor, the car is 100 miles from me and to go up there and hear the aggressive & defensive drivel and waste my time is not my ideal of a good way to spend a Saturday.
He said 'no offers' and that exactly what he deserves
I had similar earlier this year when I was in the market for a Boxster. I spotted one that looked nice but I had a few questions relating to the car that weren't mentioned in the advert, and it was met with a blunt reply of "I'm sick of time wasters, just come and drive it". No attempt made at all to answer the questions, which I put to him in a very polite and respectful way.
I simply had to reply "well it's not that easy for me to travel a 500 mile round trip just to try and find out the answers for myself that you clearly don't want to answer".
Didn't matter how good the car was, I wasn't going to deal with that person.
reddiesel said:
Here was yourself genuinely coveting the Car and anxiously asking a few questions and it was like " I am the Owner of a very used £80,000 911 Turbo S how dare you question my maintenance of this third hand Jaguar ". Personally I winced at that .
That really made me laugh. I'm sure the next owner who knows it likely needs a water pump, condenser, and half the brittle old hoses changing will be glad that all it's needed in his care is oil changes at least!I've said before that the owners of 3rd - 700th hand Jaguars can often be really weird about them, as if they're some tiny production run classic needling the care of a skilled craftsman to maintain and if you're not paying a fortune you're not doing it right, the seller of this car typifies it nicely. When you buy their cars you usually find out they've mostly been robbed for routine servicing and none of the real preventative maintenance has been carried out.
Just from the way the advert is written would put me off even enquiring.
I do some work for a Jaguar specialist and without fail Silver with Black interior cars always hang around, regardless of age/mileage, to the point where they wouldn't actively go out and purchase one.
Great cars but just like the models that went before they don't hold up particularly well when viewed from underneath.
Cheers,
Chris
I do some work for a Jaguar specialist and without fail Silver with Black interior cars always hang around, regardless of age/mileage, to the point where they wouldn't actively go out and purchase one.
Great cars but just like the models that went before they don't hold up particularly well when viewed from underneath.
Cheers,
Chris
Summit_Detailing said:
Just from the way the advert is written would put me off even enquiring.
I do some work for a Jaguar specialist and without fail Silver with Black interior cars always hang around, regardless of age/mileage, to the point where they wouldn't actively go out and purchase one.
Great cars but just like the models that went before they don't hold up particularly well when viewed from underneath.
Cheers,
Chris
Interesting point about colours. I decided I could tolerate silver, I've actually come to rather like it, but a black interior with silver trim was a hard no for me. As an earlier poster said, such things are for Audis. If I wasn't a bottom feeder, and I think few XKR buyers are, I'd never have bothered going to look at a silver car. I certainly considered the auction car in question to be at minimum desireability for an XKR, being a coupe in the most boring colour combination, with middling miles.I do some work for a Jaguar specialist and without fail Silver with Black interior cars always hang around, regardless of age/mileage, to the point where they wouldn't actively go out and purchase one.
Great cars but just like the models that went before they don't hold up particularly well when viewed from underneath.
Cheers,
Chris
All the cars with that subframe (X351 XJ, X150 XK, F-Type) seem to have them go crunchy. At least you won't get holes in the floor with the aluminium XK, unlike it's very XJS like predecessor!
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 28th September 15:06
Yes its a fact that they can rapidly go tatty underneath and the F type is no different . That said its not terminal and more often than not easily tidied . Silver for me isn't its best colour , it can look surprisingly anonymous and Dealers can in my experience bid you poor money come PX time . Some of course will disagree and I completely accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder . I should think the Vendor may regret not taking that £15k , especially with Christmas just around the corner and property prices starting to weaken . Fuel prices I was reading today are set to go higher and although none of these issues may matter to someone intent on buying an XKR they could well find themselves with different priorities come the new Year .
Summit_Detailing said:
Just from the way the advert is written would put me off even enquiring.
I do some work for a Jaguar specialist and without fail Silver with Black interior cars always hang around, regardless of age/mileage, to the point where they wouldn't actively go out and purchase one.
Great cars but just like the models that went before they don't hold up particularly well when viewed from underneath.
Cheers,
Chris
I remember my Dad bought himself a used S type 2.7 diesel that after a few years looked like flapjack underneath.I do some work for a Jaguar specialist and without fail Silver with Black interior cars always hang around, regardless of age/mileage, to the point where they wouldn't actively go out and purchase one.
Great cars but just like the models that went before they don't hold up particularly well when viewed from underneath.
Cheers,
Chris
The rate at which it deteriorated seemed unnaturally fast for a modern premium car.
The last time I moved it before we broke it, the diesel heater was belching smoke into the cabin
That was an experience!
Mr Whippy said:
I remember my Dad bought himself a used S type 2.7 diesel that after a few years looked like flapjack underneath.
The rate at which it deteriorated seemed unnaturally fast for a modern premium car.
The last time I moved it before we broke it, the diesel heater was belching smoke into the cabin
That was an experience!
They were really dire for rust.The rate at which it deteriorated seemed unnaturally fast for a modern premium car.
The last time I moved it before we broke it, the diesel heater was belching smoke into the cabin
That was an experience!
They all did that heater thing. Jaguar Heritage
TREMAiNE said:
JNW1 said:
Looks like the car is now listed at £18k in the PH classifieds....
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15654374
"£18,000 no offers"https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15654374
The guy comes across as such a mug.
I still like them, but as it was only a weekend/fun car I went in a different direction (avoiding the high VED etc) in the end for my V8 kick.
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