EVs... no one wants them!
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CLK-GTR said:
It's not really the situation most people find themselves in. The long journey thing is a bit of a strawman.
I will drive 30 miles, jump out of the car and do what I need to, get back in it and do another 10 miles before doing the same thing again. After a couple of weeks I'll need to fill the tank, a 2 minute job. Thats convenient. What I don't want is to have to faff around with a cable every couple of days, think about how long i can let it charge for, or worry about parking near a charger every other time I get in the car. That's not convenient.
WhereasI drive 30 miles, get back in and do another 10 and then do the same thing again. Some evenings I'll plug it in and let Octopus work out the schedule overnight and come out the following morning to a fully charged car. Plugging the cable in takes about as long as putting a fuel nozzle in. I will drive 30 miles, jump out of the car and do what I need to, get back in it and do another 10 miles before doing the same thing again. After a couple of weeks I'll need to fill the tank, a 2 minute job. Thats convenient. What I don't want is to have to faff around with a cable every couple of days, think about how long i can let it charge for, or worry about parking near a charger every other time I get in the car. That's not convenient.
There are an awful lot of people on this thread with zero experience of running an EV who are very keen to tell those of us who do why it's going to be a problem for them.
Essarell said:
740EVTORQUES said:
So if the advantage of a diesel car is not the cost or the time taken, what exactly is the advantage?
Our Eclass will do home to Southampton and back on a tank of fuel, that’s circa 700 miles. That’s travelling at motorway speeds with a fully laden car, you may snear at our propensity for convenience but I find service stations utter cess pits so the less time spent there the better, also crossing the channel where sustaining much higher motorway speeds the economy is barely affected. Modern diesel’s have been successful for a reason, probably why taxi drivers are slow to take EV’s on, though as pointed out EV depreciation is off the cliff so I look forward to a Taycan (or similiar) Ubering me home.
wormus said:
Yes, but you’ll miss out on the EV bantz as they all sip their almond milk lattes, talk about ‘EV life’ and wait for 10 miles of electricity to fill their batteries, and as they decay with age, you get to stop twice as often! After all, nobody needs to drive more than 90 miles without needing a break, right?
CLK-GTR said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Why do you want to do 450 miles (at least 10 hours in the real world) without the need to refuel?
It's not really the situation most people find themselves in. The long journey thing is a bit of a strawman.I will drive 30 miles, jump out of the car and do what I need to, get back in it and do another 10 miles before doing the same thing again. After a couple of weeks I'll need to fill the tank, a 2 minute job. Thats convenient. What I don't want is to have to faff around with a cable every couple of days, think about how long i can let it charge for, or worry about parking near a charger every other time I get in the car. That's not convenient.
Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:15
Seasonal Hero said:
WhereasI drive 30 miles, get back in and do another 10 and then do the same thing again. Some evenings I'll plug it in and let Octopus work out the schedule overnight and come out the following morning to a fully charged car. Plugging the cable in takes about as long as putting a fuel nozzle in.
There are an awful lot of people on this thread with zero experience of running an EV who are very keen to tell those of us who do why it's going to be a problem for them.
Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not? There are an awful lot of people on this thread with zero experience of running an EV who are very keen to tell those of us who do why it's going to be a problem for them.
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
Dave200 said:
It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away. The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.
Charging at home is where EVs can work well.Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:10
Still, having a process that needs to be done both more often and for longer can't be argued to be easier, can it?
CLK-GTR said:
Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
Messing around with a charger cable?A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
It's literally the same as a petrol station - open flap, insert. That's it. Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
You then come out in the morning to a fully charged car. I adore not having to visit a fuel station anymore.
How can a a charger cable be WORSE than a fuel pump? (that's a serious question)
CLK-GTR said:
Dave200 said:
It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away. The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.
Charging at home is where EVs can work well.Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:10
Still, having a process that needs to be done both more often and for longer can't be argued to be easier, can it?
Big Nanas said:
CLK-GTR said:
Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
Messing around with a charger cable?A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
It's literally the same as a petrol station - open flap, insert. That's it. Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
You then come out in the morning to a fully charged car. I adore not having to visit a fuel station anymore.
How can a a charger cable be WORSE than a fuel pump? (that's a serious question)
CLK-GTR said:
Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
Which is why I said I. A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.
Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.
wormus said:
Essarell said:
740EVTORQUES said:
So if the advantage of a diesel car is not the cost or the time taken, what exactly is the advantage?
Our Eclass will do home to Southampton and back on a tank of fuel, that’s circa 700 miles. That’s travelling at motorway speeds with a fully laden car, you may snear at our propensity for convenience but I find service stations utter cess pits so the less time spent there the better, also crossing the channel where sustaining much higher motorway speeds the economy is barely affected. Modern diesel’s have been successful for a reason, probably why taxi drivers are slow to take EV’s on, though as pointed out EV depreciation is off the cliff so I look forward to a Taycan (or similiar) Ubering me home.
stanlow45 said:
Big Nanas said:
Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
the bullst is unceasingA petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.
Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34
Big Nanas said:
stanlow45 said:
Big Nanas said:
Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
the bullst is unceasingA petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.
Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34
Big Nanas said:
stanlow45 said:
Big Nanas said:
Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
the bullst is unceasingA petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.
Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34
Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...
CLK-GTR said:
Dave200 said:
It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away. The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.
Charging at home is where EVs can work well.Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:10
Still, having a process that needs to be done both more often and for longer can't be argued to be easier, can it?
It's easier and cheaper to do it at home.
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