Lancia Delta Evo 2 or Porsche Cayman S or ??
Discussion
Got £45 k to spend on a second car for fun, I've always wanted a intergrale and a nice one has become available and hopefully it should go up in value but it's a lot on money to spend on a old fragile car. Could get a nice Cayman S and lots of other great cars for the money.
So what would you do Classic or modern performance?
Cheers
So what would you do Classic or modern performance?
Cheers
Baz Tench said:
I would go with the Intergrale personally. Fragile and probably very difficult to get parts for, BUT... they are incredibly special imo.
Agreed - it'll probably cost about the same in upkeep (assuming no big failures on either side), but the Delta will likely appreciate.Note that they drive completely differently to each other. The integrale will feel old, creaky and saggy, but totally immersive and communicative. The Porker will not roll, not squeak and will be considerably faster, but you won't feel quite as much a part of the machine.
If you want to own both one after the other, then own the Lancia first, as it is less likely to depreciate, and it might even appreciate whilst the Porsche depreciates, then you can buy the latter afterwards for less money.
When it comes down to it, aside from facts and figures, there really is nothing quite like chucking a well sorted integrale across a bumpy apex, full throttle, with all 4 wheels sliding. When it all comes together it genuinely is a unicorn experience which you can learn to replicate very often.
If you want to own both one after the other, then own the Lancia first, as it is less likely to depreciate, and it might even appreciate whilst the Porsche depreciates, then you can buy the latter afterwards for less money.
When it comes down to it, aside from facts and figures, there really is nothing quite like chucking a well sorted integrale across a bumpy apex, full throttle, with all 4 wheels sliding. When it all comes together it genuinely is a unicorn experience which you can learn to replicate very often.
Definitely drive the Evo first - for some I think it can be a case of don't meet your heroes.
Likewise for someo the LHD can be an issue (ii is difficult to be an A and B road warrior when you can't see past the horsebox in front to overtake), they aren't fast by modern standards and even ostensibly well sorted ones can need quite a lot spending on them.
I've been a massive fan of rally cars and wanted a road going homologation special and bought an Evo VI some years ago. At the time it was still firmly in chav chariot territory but as the barried up versions get crashed and bashed it is beginning to leave the original, unmolested examples in an increasingly recognised position as a true legendary road car the likes of which won't be seen again (and one of the last true homologation specials). 0-60 is 4.4 seconds which for a 30k car in 2000 was astonishing.
If you can stand the image I would hunt out a red TME.
Likewise for someo the LHD can be an issue (ii is difficult to be an A and B road warrior when you can't see past the horsebox in front to overtake), they aren't fast by modern standards and even ostensibly well sorted ones can need quite a lot spending on them.
I've been a massive fan of rally cars and wanted a road going homologation special and bought an Evo VI some years ago. At the time it was still firmly in chav chariot territory but as the barried up versions get crashed and bashed it is beginning to leave the original, unmolested examples in an increasingly recognised position as a true legendary road car the likes of which won't be seen again (and one of the last true homologation specials). 0-60 is 4.4 seconds which for a 30k car in 2000 was astonishing.
If you can stand the image I would hunt out a red TME.
That's such a tricky one. It's hard to ignore that the Integrale used to be a £10k car not so long ago, and in all respects other than rarity and desirability, it still is. The Cayman is at the other end of the scale - it's a run of the mill £45k car. I guess it depends on your priorities, and the small matter that you'll almost certainly lose more money on the Cayman (even if the classic car bubble bursts!).
The fact that it's a second car is quite important here too - I wouldn't regard the Cayman as second car material really, they're too refined and polished. For £45k I'd be looking at an Exige V6, but that's just my personal preference.
The fact that it's a second car is quite important here too - I wouldn't regard the Cayman as second car material really, they're too refined and polished. For £45k I'd be looking at an Exige V6, but that's just my personal preference.
I should probably add that I live in jersey which has a 40 mph speed limit. The Cayman is so refined and capable that I think I would have a relatively benign driving experience over here. One of the reasons the classic appeals to me is that it is more involving experience, even at lower speeds and when it breaks down it's not as far to walk home.
My other car is a defender td5 so I'm quite use to squeaks and rattles in fact it's part of the charm.
My other car is a defender td5 so I'm quite use to squeaks and rattles in fact it's part of the charm.
Mikeylfc said:
I should probably add that I live in jersey which has a 40 mph speed limit. The Cayman is so refined and capable that I think I would have a relatively benign driving experience over here. One of the reasons the classic appeals to me is that it is more involving experience, even at lower speeds and when it breaks down it's not as far to walk home.
My other car is a defender td5 so I'm quite use to squeaks and rattles in fact it's part of the charm.
Ah.. yes, that does change things. With that speed limit I'd also go for a classic; probably a Caterham.My other car is a defender td5 so I'm quite use to squeaks and rattles in fact it's part of the charm.
k me is it a money pit... but you can't take it with you lol !I've owned an Integrale Evo 1 back in the day, wonderful thing but fragile, but if it's for weekend duties and a bit of fun then do it, but you need yours eyes open to running cost and really do you homework before buying, also I think they need about another 50hp to really come alive.
I recently bought a 987 Cayman S gen 2, seriously underrated car in my opinion. At your budget I'd be looking at a manual 987 Cayman R (if you can find one) it should hold or go up in value and more special than the later 981, which sadly with EPAS has little steering feel, Integrale on the other has steering that is up there with the very best. Good luck !
I recently bought a 987 Cayman S gen 2, seriously underrated car in my opinion. At your budget I'd be looking at a manual 987 Cayman R (if you can find one) it should hold or go up in value and more special than the later 981, which sadly with EPAS has little steering feel, Integrale on the other has steering that is up there with the very best. Good luck !
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