RE: Toniq-R on Show
Thursday 4th July 2002
Toniq-R on Show
Project car on new website and in new exhibition
Discussion
Thank you for your sarcastic reply, you did ask for honest critisism didnt you? There is no wonder Westfield dropped all interest in your project when they saw the first offs, is there? Guys, you must have received 90/10 replies utering total disgust in your efforts, I repeat again, what did you do with the rest of your teabreak? I actually drive what I consider to be a reincarnation, (get the pun), of the Lotus seven. I still view your rendition with total disbelief. Please, please reply.
Brian.
Brian.
And while I'm at it, take a look at the latest offering from Martin Keenam in Worksop, His midi car should give you some idea of the direction things are moving in, He's certainly got Westfield frightened, youve probably got them laughing. Cant believe youre suprised at my views. I would have thought (a) you'd invited them with such a pathetic design,and/or (b) at least expected them in the abscence of much praise. Brian.
The "Midi" is as it's mame suggests a mid engined car based on a spaceframe chassis not dissimilar to WF, CM,MK and Locost version of the seven. It is bike engined, Fireblade/Blackbird engines being prefered at this time. The mid engine drives to the independant rear suspension Via chain drive to a Quaiffe diff. The prototype was rushed into being for the Stonliegh show in May, and looked absolutely georgeous. It was on the next stand to Westfield and did not go down well with them at all as they are pushing the XTR2 very hard at the moment. The thing is the Midi looks better, in my, and a lot of others views, particularly from the side. Consider the fact that the Westfield kit costs about £12.5K (I know its quite comprehensive but there's lots more to buy). The MK car kit is £3500 and can be -completed to a very high standard for £7-9K. I looked long and hard at the Seven kit market and the MK range is engineered to an excellant standard, far better than most of the competition. Any way the last time I spoke to them, MK had taken 12 advance orders for the car, (on the back of the Stonliegh Show I believe).The car is now being used as a test bed for SVA, and as many track miles as possible are being piled on the car to debug it for its debut on the track in SVA'ed form at Donnington. I can't wait to see the result, and am trying to engineer some space to enable a kit build, as this is the most excitng and cost effective Kit type car I have seen in years.
Now then from this you may see why I personally hold the Toniq rendition as very Lack lustre and hence my comments about WF's reaction to it. When /if ever, this car gets its SVA clothes on,and the edges rounded off, it will look very mundane and probably not a million miles removed from its parent chassis overcoat, although possibly closer to the the Dare car, not a bad looking car, but its been done and its not pulling up trees.
So back to the original posts, Yes I still hold these views, I still feel the original return was sarcastic, but if I asked for it then I apologise. And no, I don't know who "Petrol Ted" is, and it doesnt matter does it?, as we are all allowed our own opinions, regardless of who may be listening. If I have happened accross some elitest group, for whom the right to reply is qualified by years of membership and tiers of seniority, them I'm happy to retreat never to be heard of again. Again if I have offended the majority, then I apologise. However, there is always one exception, and thats Smeagol, yes my friend, I can be an arse ole at times ,most of us can, but I dont hide in the shadow of others, or cack my pants in their wake. Nuff said?
Brian, could this be my last post?
Now then from this you may see why I personally hold the Toniq rendition as very Lack lustre and hence my comments about WF's reaction to it. When /if ever, this car gets its SVA clothes on,and the edges rounded off, it will look very mundane and probably not a million miles removed from its parent chassis overcoat, although possibly closer to the the Dare car, not a bad looking car, but its been done and its not pulling up trees.
So back to the original posts, Yes I still hold these views, I still feel the original return was sarcastic, but if I asked for it then I apologise. And no, I don't know who "Petrol Ted" is, and it doesnt matter does it?, as we are all allowed our own opinions, regardless of who may be listening. If I have happened accross some elitest group, for whom the right to reply is qualified by years of membership and tiers of seniority, them I'm happy to retreat never to be heard of again. Again if I have offended the majority, then I apologise. However, there is always one exception, and thats Smeagol, yes my friend, I can be an arse ole at times ,most of us can, but I dont hide in the shadow of others, or cack my pants in their wake. Nuff said?
Brian, could this be my last post?
Be at Donnington for the show in September. I think MK are over whelmed buy the interest raised by this project, so they may be a little behind. As I said , watch out in September. I have no ties to the people at MK but I am suitably impressed. I have no critisism of Westfield, I owned one and loved it up til Feb this year when it had to go. The service I received from WF was first class and I still buy parts from them. But I am blown away by the new MK car in a way that the XRT2 does'nt do. This may go some way to exlain my lack of enthusiasm for the Toniq car
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