Ferrari and their Atitude
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All totally bloody depressing really.
Not a wheel turned in anger and we're in the middle of a potential legal row.
Has F1 finally lost its way completely? Do they care what the fans want? Are they interested in ANYTHING except inter nacine rowing and scoring points off each other?
What a sorry mess.
Not a wheel turned in anger and we're in the middle of a potential legal row.
Has F1 finally lost its way completely? Do they care what the fans want? Are they interested in ANYTHING except inter nacine rowing and scoring points off each other?
What a sorry mess.
Eric Mc said:
All totally bloody depressing really.
Not a wheel turned in anger and we're in the middle of a potential legal row.
Has F1 finally lost its way completely? Do they care what the fans want? Are they interested in ANYTHING except inter nacine rowing and scoring points off each other?
What a sorry mess.
yup indeed.
i object to stoddart seeking to derive maximum exposure and publicity not from his team's efforts on the race track but rather by seeking to always inflame an already confused political hotch potch.
little wonder he doesn't attract any worthwhile team sponsors - who'd want to be associated with such a perennial loser and whinger?
and to think what a once noble team minardi was. i always admired their efforts, no matter how lamentable they performed, objectively - they just got on with it.
he seems to have lost the plot since the very sad loss of john walton last year. maybe he was stoddarts balance?
i think he's suffering from delusional paranoia.
I'd prefer someone like Stoddart standing up and telling it like it is - instead of all the others with their weasly, wormy, secretive "old boys' club" approach.
They just need to wake up and see themselves as the rest of the world see them.
I a few years time they will still be squabbling and no one will be paying them any attention.
They just need to wake up and see themselves as the rest of the world see them.
I a few years time they will still be squabbling and no one will be paying them any attention.
Eric Mc said:
All totally bloody depressing really.
Not a wheel turned in anger and we're in the middle of a potential legal row.
Has F1 finally lost its way completely? Do they care what the fans want? Are they interested in ANYTHING except inter nacine rowing and scoring points off each other?
What a sorry mess.
Indeed.
Personally I believe that the loss of Ferrari to F1 wouold be no loss at all. At least when Williams or McLaren were dominant their drivers used to race each other, and indeed on at least one occasion one of them lost the Drivers Championship as a result.
F1 is meant to be a sport, which is why we all watch it. Some teams now seem to think it is merely a business. Winning the whole time seems unlikely to improve Ferraris sales too much, after all, they only produce a limited number of cars, and theres only a limited number of people who can afford them!
The ironic thing is that Ferrari need the money hence why they have signed with Bernie!
chrisgr31 said:
F1 is meant to be a sport, which is why we all watch it. Some teams now seem to think it is merely a business. Winning the whole time seems unlikely to improve Ferraris sales too much, after all, the only produce a limited number of cars, and theres only a limited number of people who can afford them!
The ironic thing is that Ferrari need the money hence why they have signed with Bernie!
that most pragmatic of team bosses, frank williams, is often quoted as saying "for 2hrs every other sunday in summer f1 is a sport - the rest of the time it's a business."
egoboss said:
I don't think you can just fabricate a piece of complex kit like a front or rear aerofoil over a weekend. These are very complicated devices and, what's more, can be lethal if incorrectly designed. I'm sure that there must be strength, impact and structural integrity tests that compnents like these have to pass.
In other words, nothing that can be done over a GP weekend.
true - BUT - he's had several months to get them fabricated!
honestly, if he can't be focused/arsed to attend to relatively simple bits like that, he really is well and truly out of his league.
Minardi are designing a totally new car due at the start of the European season. Bearing in mind they had to contend with late rule changes, and Ford trying to flog or close Cosworth. So they weren't sure which engine they would have until late. They have two rookie drivers so could probably run last years Ferrari and still struggle! It seems harsh on Minardi who are developing a new car, to be forced to update the older one, they just don't have the man power. Anyway whats the worst that could happen, a couple of Minardi's qualify in the top 10, that would be great!
Come on Ferrari, leave Minardi alone.
FourWheelDrift said:
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lol, it's like having him in your living room!
F1 stopped interesting me long ago...since then, it's decended into farce.
Bernie...is an excessively greedy and power-hungry egomaniac, whose continued presence is harming motorsport as a sport and a phenomena immensely. For F1 as a BUSINESS, he has been fantastic, however. Pick which is more important to you?!?
Ferrari...are as always playing things as cannily and politically as possible...which again is often contrary to the interests of F1 as a sport, esp. as a spectator sport.
I'd far rather see more coverage of "lesser" racing - British GT, ALMS, WRC, BTCC/DTM/ETCC/JGTC, Nations Cup, etc. All of these are far more entertaining and closely-fought spectacles, suffering from a lack of exposure on mainstream TV and second rate cameramen and commentators.
Bernie...is an excessively greedy and power-hungry egomaniac, whose continued presence is harming motorsport as a sport and a phenomena immensely. For F1 as a BUSINESS, he has been fantastic, however. Pick which is more important to you?!?
Ferrari...are as always playing things as cannily and politically as possible...which again is often contrary to the interests of F1 as a sport, esp. as a spectator sport.
I'd far rather see more coverage of "lesser" racing - British GT, ALMS, WRC, BTCC/DTM/ETCC/JGTC, Nations Cup, etc. All of these are far more entertaining and closely-fought spectacles, suffering from a lack of exposure on mainstream TV and second rate cameramen and commentators.
Hi there, newbie here although I've been lurking a while and I know a couple of you off board.
After reading about the ongoing saga of the breakaway group and future agreement between Ferrari and Ecclestone I reckon they radically overestimate the amount of interest in F1 that is due to Ferrari...it's the racing people want, as havoc has just said.
If it does fall apart (and I've a feeling it won't) what sporting event would I rather watch, 10 F1 teams competing pretty much as per usual or Ferrari vs 9 Minardi-like teams? Actually, probably not even that, after all how many organisations are going to be capable of creating a new car from scratch let alone a vaguely competitive one…
mmm, that's a toughie
....
Highlights, according to the BBC, of the future agreement:
• Ferrari are guaranteed $67m (£34.8m) every year - an estimated 15-20% of their budget - before any money is distributed to the other teams.
• Ferrari have absolute veto over all changes agreed by the other teams, even if the other teams agree unanimously.
• Ferrari would get more of F1's commercial revenue if they finished last than any other team would if they won the world championship.
Article here in case you’ve not read it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4292545.stm
>> Edited by TrezBien on Wednesday 2nd March 13:09
After reading about the ongoing saga of the breakaway group and future agreement between Ferrari and Ecclestone I reckon they radically overestimate the amount of interest in F1 that is due to Ferrari...it's the racing people want, as havoc has just said.
If it does fall apart (and I've a feeling it won't) what sporting event would I rather watch, 10 F1 teams competing pretty much as per usual or Ferrari vs 9 Minardi-like teams? Actually, probably not even that, after all how many organisations are going to be capable of creating a new car from scratch let alone a vaguely competitive one…
mmm, that's a toughie
.... Highlights, according to the BBC, of the future agreement:
• Ferrari are guaranteed $67m (£34.8m) every year - an estimated 15-20% of their budget - before any money is distributed to the other teams.
• Ferrari have absolute veto over all changes agreed by the other teams, even if the other teams agree unanimously.
• Ferrari would get more of F1's commercial revenue if they finished last than any other team would if they won the world championship.
Article here in case you’ve not read it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4292545.stm
>> Edited by TrezBien on Wednesday 2nd March 13:09
Eric Mc said:Absolutely and Ferrari's dismal attitude will deter any other teams from entering F1 so we are consigned to ever shrinking grids, less competition and less teams for aspiring drivers to get into. It's a downward spiral I;m afraid. Rich...
The point is, the rules allow the Minardi AS IT IS to race, provided ALL the other teams allow it. ALL the other teams have allowed it, apart from Ferrari.
I can see why most think this is a pretty tough line for Ferrari to take, but how about if the shoe was on the other foot.
Ferrari ask to use last years car because they haven't had time to make the necessary mods, you reckon all the teams would say "sure, go ahead, no problem..."
I don't think so......
Rules are rules, if the car doesn't comply it's illegal and should fail scrutineering. This issue should not have even got to this point.
Ferrari ask to use last years car because they haven't had time to make the necessary mods, you reckon all the teams would say "sure, go ahead, no problem..."
I don't think so......
Rules are rules, if the car doesn't comply it's illegal and should fail scrutineering. This issue should not have even got to this point.
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