My LFA is finally ready.
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
You post a picture of a grotty farm where some of your cars are kept and then wonder about why someone has asked a question about how they are stored? 
You could have simply answered it couldnt you. You still havent other than saying 'loads of guys there have guns!'. Yeah course.
It was a genuine question - I clearly said I will never know of such matters. Get over yourself
I’m pretty sure I answered it, even though I didn’t have to. Even your comment now shows how narrow minded you are, ‘grotty farm’, ‘large sheds’. You could have simply answered it couldnt you. You still havent other than saying 'loads of guys there have guns!'. Yeah course.
It was a genuine question - I clearly said I will never know of such matters. Get over yourself
Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 10th May 06:44
You sound about 15 years old.
I don’t even know why you’re getting yourself so worked up over it, like you said “I will never know of such matters”. And trust me pal, I’m the most ‘over myself’ person you’ll never meet.
Now, please allow the grown ups to speak.
There’s always one idiot in a group, and if you don’t know who the idiot in the group is then it’s usually you.
Read the comments from the others on here and you’ll realise that it’s YOU that needs to get over themselves.
Pete
PhillipM said:
p1stonhead said:
Most dont have millions of pounds of cars stored on them. Ever seen the 'most incongruous supercar' thread?
No, they just have millions of pounds worth of implements, tractors, combines and other machines...Firstly, my cars might look like they are stored in large sheds but they are actually stored in solid structures with an incredible security system.
Yes the place looks messy with mounds of manure and hay everywhere but it is a working farm so I’d expect that.
Paracetamol said:
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moneymakestheworldgoaround said:
ferrisbueller said:
Don't know if it works so well for something like a Speciale Aperta though?
I do know of a Speciale Aperta that was stolen from Europe and ended up in a collection within the middle east. 
The new owner might not even know there's a story, they just know their man can get them rare things.
scoobygaz1 said:
Back to cars what’s the next purchase?
Not sure at the moment. I’m just looking at a rhd F40 previously owned by the Sultan of Brunei. I think that’d be pretty fun. As far as the GTC4LUSSO is concerned though, great car, simply amazing, just really hard to drive slow as it just wants to bolt off all the time.
I’ve already had it sideways more times than I can remember.
I think Ferrari have massively screwed up making that car though, there’s literally no other Ferrari you need to buy if you own one of these. It’s only marginally slower on acceleration than my 458 Aperta. You can get a fair few shotguns in the boot, mates in the back comfortably. The cabin is super airy, especially with the pan roof (crazy price for that option though, £11,520!!!)
The new infotainment system is just amazing, definitely not like any previous Fezza.
The steering is crazy responsive, an the ride quality.......oh wow, it’s almost as smooth as my Wraith. Just a tad bit louder with the road noise but not that much. And that V12!!!! It’s unbelievable that anyone can walk in a Ferrari dealer and simply order one of these, crazy speeds from a crazy car.
scoobygaz1 said:
My bosses friend had an F40 And sold due to getting caught doing 100+ and getting away witn it and now has this 
Which I had the pleasure to drive
Without sounding like a douche, I’ve got one of these too. Which I had the pleasure to drive
Very nice cars but not amazing, they do say to never drive your dream car.
johnwilliams77 said:
janesmith1950 said:
At the risk of sounding like a miserable t
t, I think the pleasure of these vehicles, for me, would disappear if I could obtain them as easily or simultaneously as the OP. Too much of a good thing, and all that
Good thing we're all wired up differently, and fair play to the OP for making his collection so accessible.
I have heard a lot of people who are in that position say the same thing and OP has alluded to the same. Their base fulfilment of buying things terms to get numbed so often it ruins it a little when you have everything. I can understand it, albeit not to the OP's level. t, I think the pleasure of these vehicles, for me, would disappear if I could obtain them as easily or simultaneously as the OP. Too much of a good thing, and all thatGood thing we're all wired up differently, and fair play to the OP for making his collection so accessible.
DannyScene said:
Pete, hopefully this doesn't come across as stalkerish but you weren't at redline today in knaresbrough were you?
Hi, no I wasn’t there today but Rob (the gaffer) is a good friend of mine so I’m there quite a bit. Bought my Porsche CGT, AMG GTS Edition 1, Porsche 991 Targa from there.
Nice guys. Good to deal with
WCZ said:
did you have to (like so many others) buy a Lusso in order to get Pista?
Yes I did, that and a few other purchases. The Ferrari brand is a crazy thing, in order to get the Pista Aperta when that comes out I’ll need to spec my Pista with at least £88k of extras. I was even told today that I need to make a ‘leap of faith’ and buy something else in order to “hopefully guarantee” my name on the list for the Aperta. Even then it’s not definite. eltax91 said:
Assuming of course you are not tied in to a particular ownership period or contracted to give first option back to the dealer
Ferrari are only now just allowing customers to sell their TDF’s through their network. I do know that I would get struck off their ‘preferred customer list’ if I sold the Pista within a year. They also want me to add more Ferrari’s to my collection. Yes it’s crazy but the list price plus extras for the Pista will be about £410k roughly. However the market would place an over the list price to be about £700k+. Look at the GT2RS, they’re going for £575k now, list price with options at approximately £270k-£300k. And that’s for a non limited production Porsche that’ll be knocked off by the new GT3RS soon!!!
greggy50 said:
You could probably sell it for £200k over list so while it seems unreasonable it’s still a good deal overall. You essentially get the Lusso for free...
Essentially yes, I gave £304k for my Lusso but it’d be a good 2/3 of it for free, however I’d be snubbed by Ferrari forever. They are realllllly anal about this sort of thing. DannyScene said:
Pete, any love for the N Largo?
I was at Redline again yesterday browsing the showroom, they had it in a few months ago and it's back in there now
Looks mega imo
That thing hurts my eyes, it’s soooo ugly. They’ve offered it me loads of times but each time I recoil. I was at Redline again yesterday browsing the showroom, they had it in a few months ago and it's back in there now
Looks mega imo
I’ll stick with the tdf as soon as ferrari release one to me.
ferrisbueller said:
Ferrari has established itself in an enviable position of being able to choose who it sells its products to and there being a queue of people who would like to be deemed to be worthy of consideration. This is compounded by the number of people being elevated to a financial status which would give them access to Ferrari growing faster than the number of cars they can/will build, especially the "Specials".
The way that they handle their special models is interesting in so much as there appear to be criteria, which vary depending on who you ask, as to how you become worthy. These have been suggested as number of Ferraris owned, number of special models etc. These "rules" can be flexible and at certain times people have bought their way into consideration. [And obviously they knock out an allocation for favoured dignitaries and celebrities]. Demand outstrips supply, they do as they please. I don't see this changing. This ethos extends to their customer service - there's always another customer.
The idea that you have to be part of the "brand" is an interesting one. Basically, you need to dance to their tune and give them your money to make them play the music. IMO the "something more" you are buying into takes various forms. Sadly, at times it looks like the "something" is your money and the "more" is an expectation on their part. You could be the most avid fan in the world, if you don't have the folding they expect then your fandom doesn't get you anything.
I doubt the Old Man would have an issue with this, he was in the business of selling cars to go racing and customer relations weren't a specialty.
Isn’t this what buying or potentially owning a Ferrari is all about though? You hung a picture of a Ferrari on your wall growing up because it seemed unobtainable. It’s not like any other sports car brand in the world where you can just walk into a dealers and buy one ‘off the shelf’. The way that they handle their special models is interesting in so much as there appear to be criteria, which vary depending on who you ask, as to how you become worthy. These have been suggested as number of Ferraris owned, number of special models etc. These "rules" can be flexible and at certain times people have bought their way into consideration. [And obviously they knock out an allocation for favoured dignitaries and celebrities]. Demand outstrips supply, they do as they please. I don't see this changing. This ethos extends to their customer service - there's always another customer.
The idea that you have to be part of the "brand" is an interesting one. Basically, you need to dance to their tune and give them your money to make them play the music. IMO the "something more" you are buying into takes various forms. Sadly, at times it looks like the "something" is your money and the "more" is an expectation on their part. You could be the most avid fan in the world, if you don't have the folding they expect then your fandom doesn't get you anything.
I doubt the Old Man would have an issue with this, he was in the business of selling cars to go racing and customer relations weren't a specialty.
From the conversations I’ve had recently with Ferrari things are changing even further.
You want a Ferrari after this brexit crap then you’ll need to ‘prove’ your wealth. You’ll also need to do some of their advance driving courses before you even sit behind the wheel of your own Ferrari. I think the reason for this is because their cars are getting faster and faster with each new model. Look at the Pista, that’s going to be 711bhp, with the Aperta going to be about 760bhp.
They’ve lost their damn minds haha.
I get what you’re saying about being a fan isn’t enough if you don’t have the readies, but isn’t that the case with most things though. I’m glad that Ferrari don’t sell a car to just anyone, I’m glad that they are picky.
Too many of them on the road and it’d spoil the brand. Look at Porsche now, far too many of them on the roads that I don’t even notice them anymore.
Hi guys
First off let me say thanks to you guys for putting a bit of spark back in to this thread, love the ‘for and against’ argument with buying a Ferrari.
Secondly, I don’t care if I get knocked off the list for bad mouthing Ferrari’s buying process. I personally think it’s complete bullst, however it does do one thing I think most people over look.
By getting potential ‘special’ customers to buy some other models, especially the older ones like the 575M Manchester want me to buy, this does guarantee that the cars will be kept in caring Ferrari ownership.
This in turn pushes the prices up for older models, that’s why buying other Ferrari’s in order for me to get the new specials doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
When they really started this, I mean properly pushing this sales technique was with the 360CS, over a few years older models like the 512TR/LM and 328 GTS, etc etc started to rise in price as more was being taken off the market.
I remember recoiling at nearly paying £30k for a Testarossa because it was old tech, now they can trade at £180k, I turned down a 1999 T Reg 355 GTS years ago for £32k (I was waiting for them to drop under £30k). I bought one a few months back for £77,750.
Compare that to the Gallardos I was looking at buying at the same time. They was £65k for a 25k mileage one, look at their price now, pretty much the same.
That’s the wonder of Ferrari, keep the cars rare and the purchasing of it even rarer.
I could go out and buy 10+ performantes tomorrow (potentially, not like I would) for approximately £250k per car. But how many rhd 458 Speciales could I buy? Not 10 that’s for sure.
The performantes will drop in price after summer, whereas the Speciales will be hitting £400k as soon as the Pistas get delivered. All main dealers change their prices every 7 days, not on all their stock but most.
Ferrari Maranello also put their prices up 7.5% every year to beat inflation.
Clever stuff if you ask me, sneaky bds but clever.
First off let me say thanks to you guys for putting a bit of spark back in to this thread, love the ‘for and against’ argument with buying a Ferrari.
Secondly, I don’t care if I get knocked off the list for bad mouthing Ferrari’s buying process. I personally think it’s complete bulls
t, however it does do one thing I think most people over look. By getting potential ‘special’ customers to buy some other models, especially the older ones like the 575M Manchester want me to buy, this does guarantee that the cars will be kept in caring Ferrari ownership.
This in turn pushes the prices up for older models, that’s why buying other Ferrari’s in order for me to get the new specials doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
When they really started this, I mean properly pushing this sales technique was with the 360CS, over a few years older models like the 512TR/LM and 328 GTS, etc etc started to rise in price as more was being taken off the market.
I remember recoiling at nearly paying £30k for a Testarossa because it was old tech, now they can trade at £180k, I turned down a 1999 T Reg 355 GTS years ago for £32k (I was waiting for them to drop under £30k). I bought one a few months back for £77,750.
Compare that to the Gallardos I was looking at buying at the same time. They was £65k for a 25k mileage one, look at their price now, pretty much the same.
That’s the wonder of Ferrari, keep the cars rare and the purchasing of it even rarer.
I could go out and buy 10+ performantes tomorrow (potentially, not like I would) for approximately £250k per car. But how many rhd 458 Speciales could I buy? Not 10 that’s for sure.
The performantes will drop in price after summer, whereas the Speciales will be hitting £400k as soon as the Pistas get delivered. All main dealers change their prices every 7 days, not on all their stock but most.
Ferrari Maranello also put their prices up 7.5% every year to beat inflation.
Clever stuff if you ask me, sneaky b
ds but clever. C70R said:
First post here, and I wanted to take the opportunity to congratulate you on reaping the rewards of hard work (without blowing too much smoke up your arse).
If you're taking questions, one nags at me. We're of a similar age, and my 'when I sell the company' garage would immediately be filled with the fantasy cars of my childhood - EB110, XJ220, 959 etc.. You obviously prefer newer cars (and I'm sure they are better to drive), but aside from the impending F40 do you have any plans to dabble with late 80s/early 90s hypercars?
I am building my fantasy garage, it’s just not a fantasy garage from the 80’s/90’s. The cars you’ve mentioned are very nice to look at but unfortunately they’re not too good to drive, therefore it kind of takes the shine off it. If you're taking questions, one nags at me. We're of a similar age, and my 'when I sell the company' garage would immediately be filled with the fantasy cars of my childhood - EB110, XJ220, 959 etc.. You obviously prefer newer cars (and I'm sure they are better to drive), but aside from the impending F40 do you have any plans to dabble with late 80s/early 90s hypercars?
I’m not talking about ‘character’ either, my DB5 is a bit s
t but it’s got tons of character so I can let it slide. However the XJ220 was built for speed but drives terribly so it does kind of take the shine away. I remember going for a drive in one when I was younger, we set off quickly and some of the dash fell off, this was a well maintained car too. I thought “ok whatever, let’s go fast”. The thing was it didn’t feel very fast getting to the speed what we got too. I just don’t see the value in it, nor the EB110, 959, etc etc.
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