How much will you pay ?
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as a self employed person im universally raped by all manner of taxpeople every time i so much as fart in the line of business.
Owning a nice car of course allows the insurance people to have a go, plus fuel means ill probably put one of several internal organs on e-bay before long.
Im about to move to a bigger property, which by virtue of being able to afford im obviously fair game for a chunk of stamp duty large enough to fell a charging rhino.
Meanwhile I avoid public transport because it simply doesnt work, and try not to park/shop/travel through the "wrong" areas as my car will get nicked/scratched/ill get mugged/knifed/<insert currently fashionable violent act here> with little chance of justice should any of the aforementioned happen to me or my loved ones.
I think making my car prohibitively or more likely ridiculously-unfairly (i.e. proportionally to the ecological damage it causes) expensive to run will leave me with just two options:
1) Sell up, and Join the tax dodgers and live off benefits - which would admittedly be one way to get some of my taxes back for a bit. .. .. .... Or
2) It might just be the nail in the coffin that sees me leaving my beloved Blighty.
I think option 2) is looking more likely these days, although it saddens me to think too hard about it - hmmm.
R.
Owning a nice car of course allows the insurance people to have a go, plus fuel means ill probably put one of several internal organs on e-bay before long.
Im about to move to a bigger property, which by virtue of being able to afford im obviously fair game for a chunk of stamp duty large enough to fell a charging rhino.
Meanwhile I avoid public transport because it simply doesnt work, and try not to park/shop/travel through the "wrong" areas as my car will get nicked/scratched/ill get mugged/knifed/<insert currently fashionable violent act here> with little chance of justice should any of the aforementioned happen to me or my loved ones.
I think making my car prohibitively or more likely ridiculously-unfairly (i.e. proportionally to the ecological damage it causes) expensive to run will leave me with just two options:
1) Sell up, and Join the tax dodgers and live off benefits - which would admittedly be one way to get some of my taxes back for a bit. .. .. .... Or
2) It might just be the nail in the coffin that sees me leaving my beloved Blighty.
I think option 2) is looking more likely these days, although it saddens me to think too hard about it - hmmm.
R.
simonharrod911 said:
frank987 said:
Pity the Labour Government weren't around before the Ice age - they could have prevented that with taxation! 
You can't prevent the re-positioning of the north pole with tax! You can stop people driving cars.
My point exactly. The world will heat up and cool down whether we drive car's or not!
The problem with the Government and the sooooo far left BBC and general left wing media we have in this bloody country is, they only give you one side of the argument on global warming. There is still an argument from scientists that we are making f*** all difference to the earth with cars, industry, fridges etc. It suits the Government to ignore this, because they can charge more tax, it suits the left wing media because it can drag everybody down to one level and achieve a communist state.
derestrictor said:
The day such extreme scenarios are at hand and yes, that may be sooner than one might suppose, you might find large numbers of blokes jumping around in a black capes, trying to recall basic chemistry experiements...
It is pure, unadulterated communism and the need for that extreme, right wing alternative, now essential if Britain is to exist with any broad range of freedoms after the next 5, certainly 10 years.
I suspect a military coup may eventually transpire.
It is pure, unadulterated communism and the need for that extreme, right wing alternative, now essential if Britain is to exist with any broad range of freedoms after the next 5, certainly 10 years.
I suspect a military coup may eventually transpire.
I couldn't agree more. There is a silent majority in this country getting pretty fed up with the way thing's are going.
M@verick said:
2) It might just be the nail in the coffin that sees me leaving my beloved Blighty.
I think option 2) is looking more likely these days, although it saddens me to think too hard about it - hmmm.
R.
It's worrying how many business people I know are seriously considering this due to conditions in the UK today.
Hang on, if you actually look at the figures, the biggest changes in carbon dioxide emissions in the last 50 to 100 years (an explosion!) have been due to population growth and developing countries.
Countries like China have to develop economically to keep up with their staggering population growth. How much fossil fuel are they burning to provide light and power for the industries and people they maintain?
Countries like China have to develop economically to keep up with their staggering population growth. How much fossil fuel are they burning to provide light and power for the industries and people they maintain?
verysideways said:
Countries like China have to develop economically to keep up with their staggering population growth. How much fossil fuel are they burning to provide light and power for the industries and people they maintain?
Not sure how much fossil fuel they burn Pete but, apparantely, within three years the extra emissions China will produce (in addition to what they produce now) will be greater than the whole amount saved if Britain were to reduce its emissions to ZERO,
Folks, do we really believe the lefties and righties are entirely different on this? Don't think so...... I was motoring when Mrs T was in power, and know how fuel and car tax and VAT on cars got changed/hiked/lost.....
The excuse changes, but the (easy) target is almost always the same. Had enough last year.
For those considering fleeing, do consider it. In this internet age, much of what we do can be done elsewhere. I've moved! So have some of my friends, with more considering doing so. We are all in the AB socio-economic class, and most of us are self-employed. Who loses most?
I love Blighty. But I have lived in enough cities that are as congested as London, AND where good sense prevails. When I wrote (in another post) that it might be cheaper to hoon and pay (phantom and real) fines in France, I was not really joking......
France is looking pretty good, especially now that their road fatality stats are much lower year on year since their blitz started. Maybe the Gendarmerie will let up next year! If they do, I'll add a 987S to my current supercharged motor and enjoy what I know I could not in Blighty - good roads, good sensible food, and sensible fines if I am silly (and unlucky)!
The excuse changes, but the (easy) target is almost always the same. Had enough last year.
For those considering fleeing, do consider it. In this internet age, much of what we do can be done elsewhere. I've moved! So have some of my friends, with more considering doing so. We are all in the AB socio-economic class, and most of us are self-employed. Who loses most?
I love Blighty. But I have lived in enough cities that are as congested as London, AND where good sense prevails. When I wrote (in another post) that it might be cheaper to hoon and pay (phantom and real) fines in France, I was not really joking......
France is looking pretty good, especially now that their road fatality stats are much lower year on year since their blitz started. Maybe the Gendarmerie will let up next year! If they do, I'll add a 987S to my current supercharged motor and enjoy what I know I could not in Blighty - good roads, good sensible food, and sensible fines if I am silly (and unlucky)!
I read somewhere a while ago that 75% of the polution a car causes is created during it's manufacture. Given that new cars are ever 'cleaner' I would guess this percentage has actually increased.
It seems daft therefore that we are encouraged to replace our cars with new ones which are more efficient - these don't come from fresh air but need manufacturing, at huge environmental cost.
Not heard anyone raise this point recently, so thought I would......
It seems daft therefore that we are encouraged to replace our cars with new ones which are more efficient - these don't come from fresh air but need manufacturing, at huge environmental cost.
Not heard anyone raise this point recently, so thought I would......
Henry-F said:
b). I don`t want to get mugged, raped or murdered.
Henry
Henry I can can promise you one thing you will never get raped unless you pay for it
I read some time ago that buy far the US industry is responsible for being the greatest polluter in the world. Good old George agreed that America should tidy up its act on one condition that it does not cost American industry any money. (well that just fu**ed that then). Its all a load of spin and male dangily bits.
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