Sledge hammer or surgeon's tweezer?
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DeR, methinks you might need a session on the couch with a Dr Ruth of Beetlespurting. Perhaps there is a need to understand precisely what kind of additional hoonage is required.
Is it some loose, ethereal sense of wanting "more" but not quite knowing what "more " means?
Are we talking about accelerative grunt, the pursuit of ever more forceful kidney-kicking G's ?
Or is it about terminal velocity - catching the magic double century at Brunters next time?
Or , alternatively, is it a sense of cohesive minimalism you seek? An essence of RS with added chilli, if you like?
You seem to be fumbling toward ecstasy. Not certain that you are going in the right direction.
I have an idea. Perhaps a short , sharp , performance and power fix is required. A double tequila shot with the specific intent of getting drunk. You may not want to stay drunk, but right now its what you want. Indeed, its what you need.
So just bolt bigger turbos on the big bug. You will lose driveability and gain a lot of extra verve and lag .
It will be like a dirty weekend with a wicked Vixen. She'll be fast and lose (and you won't want to keep her for ever) but what a time you will have !
Once satisfied. Simply revert to your previous specification, call "as you were" to the blown beetle and relax in the knowledge that you got it out of your system.
Sometimes we all like a but of Ruf.
Is it some loose, ethereal sense of wanting "more" but not quite knowing what "more " means?
Are we talking about accelerative grunt, the pursuit of ever more forceful kidney-kicking G's ?
Or is it about terminal velocity - catching the magic double century at Brunters next time?
Or , alternatively, is it a sense of cohesive minimalism you seek? An essence of RS with added chilli, if you like?
You seem to be fumbling toward ecstasy. Not certain that you are going in the right direction.
I have an idea. Perhaps a short , sharp , performance and power fix is required. A double tequila shot with the specific intent of getting drunk. You may not want to stay drunk, but right now its what you want. Indeed, its what you need.
So just bolt bigger turbos on the big bug. You will lose driveability and gain a lot of extra verve and lag .
It will be like a dirty weekend with a wicked Vixen. She'll be fast and lose (and you won't want to keep her for ever) but what a time you will have !
Once satisfied. Simply revert to your previous specification, call "as you were" to the blown beetle and relax in the knowledge that you got it out of your system.
Sometimes we all like a but of Ruf.
Good mirth, Von Topsthimmel.
I assure you the quest for hyper anvil need not be the ruination of handling sweetness; only this Sunday gone I went for a low speed snuffle along our moorland back roads, during which lots of second gear hairpinitus was nibbled as an essential side dish to the moments of straight-hedged 3rd gear main course snarling bombast...
So if ever things do get traction-defying, it will all be deployed in the best possible taste, what?
I assure you the quest for hyper anvil need not be the ruination of handling sweetness; only this Sunday gone I went for a low speed snuffle along our moorland back roads, during which lots of second gear hairpinitus was nibbled as an essential side dish to the moments of straight-hedged 3rd gear main course snarling bombast...
So if ever things do get traction-defying, it will all be deployed in the best possible taste, what?
Splendid idea, Grant - after Craig's last gathering of the great & the good I even have a baseball cap with which to 'ape' the simian hoardes who countenance such subterranean blue lightery.
Rrespec, inni?
P.S. Adam - I appreciate your encouragement but the concept of you bestriding Brunters XII in a vintage RUF 356B Califirnia and still cracking 200 is even more than I can bear!
Rrespec, inni?
P.S. Adam - I appreciate your encouragement but the concept of you bestriding Brunters XII in a vintage RUF 356B Califirnia and still cracking 200 is even more than I can bear!
The mod proposals sound awesome, just along as they don't make the car drive like a dirty crack 'hoe when not mashing the pedal through the bulkhead.
The present state of tune is crackers, dare not think what more poke, especially the big torque figure would be like.
On a different note - I did not really get the 993 TT 'thing' totally before riding in yours (though have always loved them), but looking in the wing mirror and seeing the melted cheese rear wing is so evocative, and the way it sounds (albeit with sports zorst) and the puff it has in it's twin bellows makes a magical package.
MOD.
The present state of tune is crackers, dare not think what more poke, especially the big torque figure would be like.
On a different note - I did not really get the 993 TT 'thing' totally before riding in yours (though have always loved them), but looking in the wing mirror and seeing the melted cheese rear wing is so evocative, and the way it sounds (albeit with sports zorst) and the puff it has in it's twin bellows makes a magical package.
MOD.
Just three comments to make really, from experience:
1. To crack 200mph at any UK runway, you will need a car capable of a higher true maximum speed, since they are not long enough to allow acceleration to the true maximum speed eg a 212mph Ruf just managed to hit 200mph
2. Aerodynamics are the absolute key for top speed. Power required is the cube of the change in speed so 10% extra speed requires over 30% extra power.......
3. I spent £120,000 building a 700+bhp Skyline, that was entirely custom and bespoke and as a result hardly ever worked, went though numerous rebuilds and despite the fact I did hit a GPS 199mph in it, broke my heart and got sold for under £50,000 within months.
Be careful that you do not spend a fortune chasing a goal that may be unattainable, at far too much expense in terms of money and reliability.
It is always better to buy a faster car to start with.
Modified Porsches (with few exceptions such as Ruf) hold almost no extra value come resale and are much harder to sell. Look at the Gemballa GT3 that has been mentioned here many times - it had had about £50k spent on it, but was worth only about £10k more than standard and that was a dealers forecourt price........
Sorry to be one that add the warning, but I have been down this route much further than most and there is a damn good reason I now own a warrantied GT2.
Guy
>> Edited by GuyR on Wednesday 31st March 18:53
>> Edited by GuyR on Wednesday 31st March 18:53
1. To crack 200mph at any UK runway, you will need a car capable of a higher true maximum speed, since they are not long enough to allow acceleration to the true maximum speed eg a 212mph Ruf just managed to hit 200mph
2. Aerodynamics are the absolute key for top speed. Power required is the cube of the change in speed so 10% extra speed requires over 30% extra power.......
3. I spent £120,000 building a 700+bhp Skyline, that was entirely custom and bespoke and as a result hardly ever worked, went though numerous rebuilds and despite the fact I did hit a GPS 199mph in it, broke my heart and got sold for under £50,000 within months.
Be careful that you do not spend a fortune chasing a goal that may be unattainable, at far too much expense in terms of money and reliability.
It is always better to buy a faster car to start with.
Modified Porsches (with few exceptions such as Ruf) hold almost no extra value come resale and are much harder to sell. Look at the Gemballa GT3 that has been mentioned here many times - it had had about £50k spent on it, but was worth only about £10k more than standard and that was a dealers forecourt price........
Sorry to be one that add the warning, but I have been down this route much further than most and there is a damn good reason I now own a warrantied GT2.
Guy
>> Edited by GuyR on Wednesday 31st March 18:53
>> Edited by GuyR on Wednesday 31st March 18:53
Cheers for the cautionary note, Guy - I genuinely appreciate the sentiment, especially from a fellow (ex?)'sufferer,' if I may label you accordingly?!
The work being carried out to the engine apparently involves a goodly contribution of input from Messrs RS Tuning in ze vaterland and given their associations with, amongst others, the boy Alois, I'm happy that back street butchery is most certainly orf the menu.
I was saying to the eminent Porschephile von Clubsport earlier how in reality, it's just the extra mid-range slam that is the primary motivator although I admit, cracking 200 would be a psychological bonus for one so ridden with multifarious inadequacy issues as I freely acknowledge to be.
Weight parage and aerodynamicism are not matters I intend to ignore and my insistance on flogging the 993-line is bourne entirely of my affinity with it's inate being 'per se,' as opposed to the undoubted technical mastery of the later design.
Depreciation? I've been a champion of black hole central for a few years now so this is nothing new! I just want what for me will be the ultimate so until a Zonda becomes locked in the cross hairs, I guess I'm stuck with it!
Chin, chin.
P.S. Martin - remind me to chuck you the keys at some future ent - especially since I partially sabotaged your V-Max day with that embarassing petrol hunt!
The work being carried out to the engine apparently involves a goodly contribution of input from Messrs RS Tuning in ze vaterland and given their associations with, amongst others, the boy Alois, I'm happy that back street butchery is most certainly orf the menu.
I was saying to the eminent Porschephile von Clubsport earlier how in reality, it's just the extra mid-range slam that is the primary motivator although I admit, cracking 200 would be a psychological bonus for one so ridden with multifarious inadequacy issues as I freely acknowledge to be.
Weight parage and aerodynamicism are not matters I intend to ignore and my insistance on flogging the 993-line is bourne entirely of my affinity with it's inate being 'per se,' as opposed to the undoubted technical mastery of the later design.
Depreciation? I've been a champion of black hole central for a few years now so this is nothing new! I just want what for me will be the ultimate so until a Zonda becomes locked in the cross hairs, I guess I'm stuck with it!
Chin, chin.
P.S. Martin - remind me to chuck you the keys at some future ent - especially since I partially sabotaged your V-Max day with that embarassing petrol hunt!
DeR,
As long as you know what you are letting yourself in for, I say go for it! I know I'll admire the result.
I still have some of 'the bug' in me and find myself ocassionally thinking of upgrading the lumbering old GT2, but then reality sets back in and I recall that for 99% of occasions it is ridiculously fast enough and the warranty has proved a very useful comfort to date.......
Guy
As it's Thursday can I get a bit philosophical ?
The trouble with mankind is we are all designed to never be happy with our lot, always looking into the future & saying.....if only I had a bigger house, more money,a nicer car, a place abroad, had a wife that wanted sex more often (!!), was better looking, less stressed etc etc then................. I'D BE HAPPY.
So after much grafting you have a great house & wife & car & all is well, you are "happy" for a few months & then the doubts creep back in !! "I know the house is great , but if I had 2 acres instead of 1 I'd be happier" & "I love my wife but she could loose a little weight & then I'd be happy"........ Or "IF MY
PORKER HAD EXTRA HORSES I'D BE EVEN HAPPIER"....but after a few more months...... it all starts again.
So DER's whole thread is a sort of meaning of life discussion in disguise, with two great choices.
1/ Centre on enjoying the NOW & be happy with your lot, realising that MORE will never make you happy with your lot !
2/ OR Sod it & go the DER route & add more so often that you never get chance to be unhappy with your lot & are ALWAYS Happy, all be it with a depleated wallet!
Right must close the men in white coats have arrived, what's that your saying about a padded room !
The trouble with mankind is we are all designed to never be happy with our lot, always looking into the future & saying.....if only I had a bigger house, more money,a nicer car, a place abroad, had a wife that wanted sex more often (!!), was better looking, less stressed etc etc then................. I'D BE HAPPY.
So after much grafting you have a great house & wife & car & all is well, you are "happy" for a few months & then the doubts creep back in !! "I know the house is great , but if I had 2 acres instead of 1 I'd be happier" & "I love my wife but she could loose a little weight & then I'd be happy"........ Or "IF MY
PORKER HAD EXTRA HORSES I'D BE EVEN HAPPIER"....but after a few more months...... it all starts again.
So DER's whole thread is a sort of meaning of life discussion in disguise, with two great choices.
1/ Centre on enjoying the NOW & be happy with your lot, realising that MORE will never make you happy with your lot !
2/ OR Sod it & go the DER route & add more so often that you never get chance to be unhappy with your lot & are ALWAYS Happy, all be it with a depleated wallet!
Right must close the men in white coats have arrived, what's that your saying about a padded room !
grant3 said:
So DER's whole thread is a sort of meaning of life discussion in disguise, with two great choices.
1/ Centre on enjoying the NOW & be happy with your lot, realising that MORE will never make you happy with your lot !
2/ OR Sod it & go the DER route & add more so often that you never get chance to be unhappy with your lot & are ALWAYS Happy, all be it with a depleated wallet!
Intersting philosophies on psychology. I concur absolutely.
I tell a lot of my patients who say they are "depressed" that chronic low grade misery is entirely normal and being happy all the time most certainly is not.
The happiest patients I have are 22 year old lads in shell suits and burberry caps (that are a little dirty) who live on the social, drink cans in the afternoon and smoke spliffs at night. They drive uninsured Novas that are "lightly modified" and they sometimes go to the Metro Centre to wander around the shops. Nothing much happens in their lives, but I tell you what.....they are happy.
What's their secret? They follow grant3's point number one. They are happy to sit about and survey their worldly goods and be happy with them.
So can I suggest DeR goes out and buys a shell suit and a Burberry cap?
To be honest chaps, given the build up from the T9 massiv, I is quivering with mild trepidation at the potential wonga this might cost: the line I'm being spun is along the line of that referred to during an obscure Freeview TV prog focussing on bespoke blunderpae.
Parts are sourced from all over the bloody show, including some chap at Muscle Beach, CA with an interesting drag act and a hoard of oxy-acetelyne creativity.
Maybe a nice little 'Lise is much more sensible.
Hmmm...sensible, schmensible...
>> Edited by derestrictor on Thursday 1st April 16:38
Parts are sourced from all over the bloody show, including some chap at Muscle Beach, CA with an interesting drag act and a hoard of oxy-acetelyne creativity.
Maybe a nice little 'Lise is much more sensible.
Hmmm...sensible, schmensible... >> Edited by derestrictor on Thursday 1st April 16:38
clubsport said:
Pick up a cheap Elise now for £12k,,,,get T9 on the case, run the elise for a few months until you get the Uber pork back, sell the Elise at the height of the summer for close to what you paid for it....doesn't get much more straight forward than that mate
Amen Rev Clubsport
Exactly what I told him to do; wave goodbye to Pork, draw out a sum of money, buy Elise, drive it a lot, sell Elise, pick up Pork.
Not exactly getting to the moon, n'est-ce pas?
DeR.
Have you considered a dedicated track toy? The buzz in driving is from the corners and combining speed with close prximity to things, which is what makes airfield runs so boring after a while. Combined of course with front engined rear wheel drive powerslides.......
I may be seeing the regulars on track soon myself......
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=90454&f=72&h=0
DAZ
Have you considered a dedicated track toy? The buzz in driving is from the corners and combining speed with close prximity to things, which is what makes airfield runs so boring after a while. Combined of course with front engined rear wheel drive powerslides.......
I may be seeing the regulars on track soon myself......
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=90454&f=72&h=0
DAZ
as vmax regulars what do you guys think about running a half circuit of the track for a while on the next one? One car at a time (stone chip & safety reasons), timed laps. Basically taking in a start, the bend at the beginning of the straight, half the straight then turn off?
Will bring assets of all the different machinery into play. The handling of the noble, the power of the pork & of course a little driver skill too
mach
vmax15000bhp
>> Edited by craigw on Thursday 1st April 17:18
Will bring assets of all the different machinery into play. The handling of the noble, the power of the pork & of course a little driver skill too
mach
vmax15000bhp
>> Edited by craigw on Thursday 1st April 17:18
Great idea, Craig but of course if you're a talentless cretian comme moi with little to commend one's wheelic repertoire other than an exceptionally heavy right foot, presumably the mindless catharsis of the trad Brunters menu can still be requisitioned from the kitchen?
Track days are fine but what I personally love about Brunters is the unapologetic pursuit of acceleration and speed primarily although an amount of twiddly is not entirely lacking.
I suppose given carte blanche for a month's entirely carefree driving I'd explore the multi-sensory delights of a thoroughly vivid, western European mega hoon and leave the tracks to thin people with funny jawlines.
In other words, keen GT driving rather than full-on racing.
(Mind you, I haven't done Silverstone in the dry so that may just may persaude me otherwise!)
P.S. Daz - time, old buddy, a luxury with which familiarity I do not share - precludes the loon hoon to which I guess we're talking here. Still, one day...
Track days are fine but what I personally love about Brunters is the unapologetic pursuit of acceleration and speed primarily although an amount of twiddly is not entirely lacking.
I suppose given carte blanche for a month's entirely carefree driving I'd explore the multi-sensory delights of a thoroughly vivid, western European mega hoon and leave the tracks to thin people with funny jawlines.
In other words, keen GT driving rather than full-on racing.
(Mind you, I haven't done Silverstone in the dry so that may just may persaude me otherwise!)
P.S. Daz - time, old buddy, a luxury with which familiarity I do not share - precludes the loon hoon to which I guess we're talking here. Still, one day...
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