Track Day Tyres on a 911
Discussion
I was hoping that some of you guys might give me some feedback on how well your track day tyres have been performing and wearing.
I am looking at
1) Dunlop super sport race tyres. (front size on 225/40/18) is very difficult to get hold of in this country...Dunlop are still waiting for a shipment to come in hopefully January. (I enquired 2 months ago!)
Total cost for fronts /rears is around £850 inc vat
These tyres can be boughtfrom Tirerack.com in the US for $129 a Tyre!!!!!! making a whole set less than £300...hence I am looking into shipping some over and getting some costs ( friend has these and have lasted him 7 trck days so far)
2) Michelin Pilot sport cups.
Must be the most popular tyre. A couple of things put me off though. I hear that they dont last long (3-4 track days is this about right?). Plus the cost ..I cant seem to find them for less than £1100 fitted ..ok if they last long enough but unacceptable for just 3-4 days.
3)Pirelli pzero corsas.. Know very little about these.
4) Kumho MX or V700s These get great reviews on american websites for track days and are rated closely to the Mich and Dunlop tyres. Cost is almost half of the Michs... a full set is about £600 fitted.
They are a very soft tyre so grip well but will wear ovr 4-5 days apparently which for the money is not too bad.
Help and comments much appreciated!
I am looking at
1) Dunlop super sport race tyres. (front size on 225/40/18) is very difficult to get hold of in this country...Dunlop are still waiting for a shipment to come in hopefully January. (I enquired 2 months ago!)
Total cost for fronts /rears is around £850 inc vat
These tyres can be boughtfrom Tirerack.com in the US for $129 a Tyre!!!!!! making a whole set less than £300...hence I am looking into shipping some over and getting some costs ( friend has these and have lasted him 7 trck days so far)
2) Michelin Pilot sport cups.
Must be the most popular tyre. A couple of things put me off though. I hear that they dont last long (3-4 track days is this about right?). Plus the cost ..I cant seem to find them for less than £1100 fitted ..ok if they last long enough but unacceptable for just 3-4 days.
3)Pirelli pzero corsas.. Know very little about these.
4) Kumho MX or V700s These get great reviews on american websites for track days and are rated closely to the Mich and Dunlop tyres. Cost is almost half of the Michs... a full set is about £600 fitted.
They are a very soft tyre so grip well but will wear ovr 4-5 days apparently which for the money is not too bad.
Help and comments much appreciated!
Don't know how Sean got on after this post:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=48&h=&t=130247
Cyrus seemed to think if a few of you got together you could bring shipping ocosts down to a reasonable level.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Saturday 18th December 11:05
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=48&h=&t=130247
Cyrus seemed to think if a few of you got together you could bring shipping ocosts down to a reasonable level.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Saturday 18th December 11:05
Tiff,
Can't speak for other tyres, but my Michelin PSC's have lasted at least 4 days already, and i'm sure they've got at least the same still in them to go !!
Then again, at the speed you drive, you may wear them a bit quicker !!!
It is important to rotate them if you are doing the same track a lot, i.e. Bedford which seems to be one of the few tracks that goes anti clock.
In terms of performance, i think it is accepted that they are the best for track work out there.
The obvious compromise is very wet conditions which can be tricky to say the least, especially in a GT3 !!!
But i have bought a spare set of road wheels/tyres for this reason.
G.
Can't speak for other tyres, but my Michelin PSC's have lasted at least 4 days already, and i'm sure they've got at least the same still in them to go !!
Then again, at the speed you drive, you may wear them a bit quicker !!!
It is important to rotate them if you are doing the same track a lot, i.e. Bedford which seems to be one of the few tracks that goes anti clock.
In terms of performance, i think it is accepted that they are the best for track work out there.
The obvious compromise is very wet conditions which can be tricky to say the least, especially in a GT3 !!!
But i have bought a spare set of road wheels/tyres for this reason.
G.
glenn mcmenamin said:
Tiff,
Can't speak for other tyres, but my Michelin PSC's have lasted at least 4 days already, and i'm sure they've got at least the same still in them to go !!
Then again, at the speed you drive, you may wear them a bit quicker !!!
It is important to rotate them if you are doing the same track a lot, i.e. Bedford which seems to be one of the few tracks that goes anti clock.
In terms of performance, i think it is accepted that they are the best for track work out there.
The obvious compromise is very wet conditions which can be tricky to say the least, especially in a GT3 !!!
But i have bought a spare set of road wheels/tyres for this reason.
G.
thanks glen,
Its good to know they do last.
Have all those days been dry? (I know the ones Ive seen you at have been.)
Did you get them from pro-tyre?
MSPCs last me between 1500-2000 track miles before they become obviously illegal that's about 12-15 days or roughly the number of dry days I manage in a year.
You could consider Dunlop DO1Js which I consider a better winter tyre than the MPSCs @ about £700 direct from Dunlop plus whatever (say £60) to have them fitted. They start with much more tread depth than the MPSCs and appear to be wearing at a similar rate so ought to last longer.
Edited to add DO1Js may be to narrow for GT3s
>> Edited by tony.t on Saturday 18th December 13:10
You could consider Dunlop DO1Js which I consider a better winter tyre than the MPSCs @ about £700 direct from Dunlop plus whatever (say £60) to have them fitted. They start with much more tread depth than the MPSCs and appear to be wearing at a similar rate so ought to last longer.
Edited to add DO1Js may be to narrow for GT3s
>> Edited by tony.t on Saturday 18th December 13:10
Tiff,
Yes, 'got them from pro tyre, i think they've got a strangle hold on these tyres, hence lack of discount to be found.
with regard to wet, i've been very lucky to have only used them in the dry, so not sure what they're like on wet track, but i tend to keep close eye on forecast prior to the track day, and make a decision from there, if it was going to be wet, i would more than likely put my normal road wheels/tyres back on.
I keep the cups on the car most of the time now, as i only use it for trackdays, or the odd run out to keep things turning over, so i think that's why they work out best for me.
If you use yours more day to day, then unless you want to invest in 2nd set of wheel/tyres, then these corsas sound the one of the best compromises.
G.
Yes, 'got them from pro tyre, i think they've got a strangle hold on these tyres, hence lack of discount to be found.
with regard to wet, i've been very lucky to have only used them in the dry, so not sure what they're like on wet track, but i tend to keep close eye on forecast prior to the track day, and make a decision from there, if it was going to be wet, i would more than likely put my normal road wheels/tyres back on.
I keep the cups on the car most of the time now, as i only use it for trackdays, or the odd run out to keep things turning over, so i think that's why they work out best for me.
If you use yours more day to day, then unless you want to invest in 2nd set of wheel/tyres, then these corsas sound the one of the best compromises.
G.
thanks glen,
that has put my mind at rest a little.
Not too worried about spending the money knowing I might get a year of track days out of them.
Im going to hang on a little longer for the dunlops, but if I cant get them by mid jan, then Ill go for the Michs.
It would be great if we could organise some sort of deal with the american suppliers though.
Those tyres work out at £600 if bought over there!!!
rip off britain indeed!
that has put my mind at rest a little.
Not too worried about spending the money knowing I might get a year of track days out of them.
Im going to hang on a little longer for the dunlops, but if I cant get them by mid jan, then Ill go for the Michs.
It would be great if we could organise some sort of deal with the american suppliers though.
Those tyres work out at £600 if bought over there!!!
rip off britain indeed!
I run Michelin Sport Pilot Cups on my 964RS and this year got about 240 laps of the Ring from two sets (Olaf Manthey pretty much called me a ponce to my face for treating them so gently 
- which is fair enough). The car does no other running other than on the Ring. 120 laps per set is about 1600 to 1700 miles.
The Ring is pretty light on tyre wear compared to many places - it is very circuit dependent.
- which is fair enough). The car does no other running other than on the Ring. 120 laps per set is about 1600 to 1700 miles. The Ring is pretty light on tyre wear compared to many places - it is very circuit dependent.
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