RE: Ford's 'dad in the dashboard'
Discussion
u05je7 said:
I disagree with the rev limit. It is generally accepted that the brakes are most commonly used to moderate speed to get out of trouble/react to situations. On the odd occasion (and it usually indicates poor anticipation), the throttle can be needed to be used to get out of trouble. By the nature of the cars driven ear;y and the relatively low grunt it really is necessary to keep them in gear a little longer through the range to do so.
For the more experienced driver, yes. For Kevin and Chardonnay who tend to just rag the nuts off their 106, no.jas16 said:
Idea is good as a starting point and if it reduces insurance for young people then I do believe that this is a good compromise. Haven't read all teh posts, but agree with the sentiments of the first few posts, limiting the top speed is good to a certain point.
Regardless of all this, I do believe that people should be treated differently by insurance companies, the first policy should be cheap, really cheap, and then after an accident where the driver was at fault, then the premiums should go upto current rates. Following what is accepted, innocent until proven guilty, in insurance terms, you are already guilty due to risk before you have even started driving. And also, the premium should not be above or even close to the value of the car, otherwise, what is the point? Sorry did go slightly off topic
You don't understand either what insurance is for, nor how it works. At all.Regardless of all this, I do believe that people should be treated differently by insurance companies, the first policy should be cheap, really cheap, and then after an accident where the driver was at fault, then the premiums should go upto current rates. Following what is accepted, innocent until proven guilty, in insurance terms, you are already guilty due to risk before you have even started driving. And also, the premium should not be above or even close to the value of the car, otherwise, what is the point? Sorry did go slightly off topic
Well,another nail in the coffin of motoring enthusiasm. Black insurance boxes,limiters,electronic nannies,average speed cameras and so on.
If I were 15 or so again I would find the whole car world utterly boring. As it is,in the US for instance there are fewer and fewer young drivers. The manufacturers are trying to find ways to attract them.
Its interesting that on a car site there are so many people who like this sort of approach. Better education and teaching a bit of responsibility is a more constructive idea.
Why in earth would anyone want a performance car any more? Why not give everyone a nice woolly mobile cocoon to drive sedately around,bagged and belted,hybridized and silent,in a carefully spaced line on the road,collision radar on,radio off,black box recording any mad aggression caused by accelerating over the prescribed 3000 RPM?
Yes,yes, makes the world a safer place and people can go home for a bit a driving masturbation on their X box driving simulators as they zoom down the virtual roads in their virtual sports cars.
My son has driven all of my cars with me in the passenger seat until I knew he could control them properly.
Sad that the era of the car is utterly over.
If I were 15 or so again I would find the whole car world utterly boring. As it is,in the US for instance there are fewer and fewer young drivers. The manufacturers are trying to find ways to attract them.
Its interesting that on a car site there are so many people who like this sort of approach. Better education and teaching a bit of responsibility is a more constructive idea.
Why in earth would anyone want a performance car any more? Why not give everyone a nice woolly mobile cocoon to drive sedately around,bagged and belted,hybridized and silent,in a carefully spaced line on the road,collision radar on,radio off,black box recording any mad aggression caused by accelerating over the prescribed 3000 RPM?
Yes,yes, makes the world a safer place and people can go home for a bit a driving masturbation on their X box driving simulators as they zoom down the virtual roads in their virtual sports cars.
My son has driven all of my cars with me in the passenger seat until I knew he could control them properly.
Sad that the era of the car is utterly over.
RDMcG said:
Well,another nail in the coffin of motoring enthusiasm. Black insurance boxes,limiters,electronic nannies,average speed cameras and so on.
If I were 15 or so again I would find the whole car world utterly boring. As it is,in the US for instance there are fewer and fewer young drivers. The manufacturers are trying to find ways to attract them.
Its interesting that on a car site there are so many people who like this sort of approach. Better education and teaching a bit of responsibility is a more constructive idea.
Why in earth would anyone want a performance car any more? Why not give everyone a nice woolly mobile cocoon to drive sedately around,bagged and belted,hybridized and silent,in a carefully spaced line on the road,collision radar on,radio off,black box recording any mad aggression caused by accelerating over the prescribed 3000 RPM?
Yes,yes, makes the world a safer place and people can go home for a bit a driving masturbation on their X box driving simulators as they zoom down the virtual roads in their virtual sports cars.
My son has driven all of my cars with me in the passenger seat until I knew he could control them properly.
Sad that the era of the car is utterly over.
I'd humbly suggest that this is a slight over-reaction to a cost option you don't have to choose, on a car you don't have to buy, and don't have to use if you do...If I were 15 or so again I would find the whole car world utterly boring. As it is,in the US for instance there are fewer and fewer young drivers. The manufacturers are trying to find ways to attract them.
Its interesting that on a car site there are so many people who like this sort of approach. Better education and teaching a bit of responsibility is a more constructive idea.
Why in earth would anyone want a performance car any more? Why not give everyone a nice woolly mobile cocoon to drive sedately around,bagged and belted,hybridized and silent,in a carefully spaced line on the road,collision radar on,radio off,black box recording any mad aggression caused by accelerating over the prescribed 3000 RPM?
Yes,yes, makes the world a safer place and people can go home for a bit a driving masturbation on their X box driving simulators as they zoom down the virtual roads in their virtual sports cars.
My son has driven all of my cars with me in the passenger seat until I knew he could control them properly.
Sad that the era of the car is utterly over.
(your son drives your cars very, very differently when you aren't with him. This is an Ineradicable Law of the Universe).
RDMcG said:
Well,another nail in the coffin of motoring enthusiasm. Black insurance boxes,limiters,electronic nannies,average speed cameras and so on.
If I were 15 or so again I would find the whole car world utterly boring. As it is,in the US for instance there are fewer and fewer young drivers. The manufacturers are trying to find ways to attract them.
Its interesting that on a car site there are so many people who like this sort of approach. Better education and teaching a bit of responsibility is a more constructive idea.
Why in earth would anyone want a performance car any more? Why not give everyone a nice woolly mobile cocoon to drive sedately around,bagged and belted,hybridized and silent,in a carefully spaced line on the road,collision radar on,radio off,black box recording any mad aggression caused by accelerating over the prescribed 3000 RPM?
Yes,yes, makes the world a safer place and people can go home for a bit a driving masturbation on their X box driving simulators as they zoom down the virtual roads in their virtual sports cars.
My son has driven all of my cars with me in the passenger seat until I knew he could control them properly.
Sad that the era of the car is utterly over.
Not really. My first car had 48hp and a "fast car" in the 70s barely mustered 100-110hp. They were also lighter and smaller and traffic volumes on the road were less.If I were 15 or so again I would find the whole car world utterly boring. As it is,in the US for instance there are fewer and fewer young drivers. The manufacturers are trying to find ways to attract them.
Its interesting that on a car site there are so many people who like this sort of approach. Better education and teaching a bit of responsibility is a more constructive idea.
Why in earth would anyone want a performance car any more? Why not give everyone a nice woolly mobile cocoon to drive sedately around,bagged and belted,hybridized and silent,in a carefully spaced line on the road,collision radar on,radio off,black box recording any mad aggression caused by accelerating over the prescribed 3000 RPM?
Yes,yes, makes the world a safer place and people can go home for a bit a driving masturbation on their X box driving simulators as they zoom down the virtual roads in their virtual sports cars.
My son has driven all of my cars with me in the passenger seat until I knew he could control them properly.
Sad that the era of the car is utterly over.
In addition, there are now a huge amount of powerful cars available fairly cheaply and it is only insurance costs that keeps them out of the hands of young idiots who only want to show off and it is only the davent of compulsory insurance and cars being crushed that keeps these machines from being ragged round our roads at high speed.
Back in the 80s, we had a far lower standard of road awareness and hundreds of cars being joy-ridden every day.
Driving is a privilege and should be taught as such. Youth is the very worst judge of what is appropriate and given the way I used to drive, these measures are hardly surprising. I would rather see my children constrrained and alive than trust to the actions of testosterone.
So - your treasured child is overtaking a truck. Lack of experience means it's all getting a bit tight and they're running short of room. They squeeze the throttle to get them safely back on the correct side, and - Hey Presto! - a lower top speed than a 2CV. Bang. "Over-simplistic" barely covers what a waste of time this really is. Spend the money on driver training instead. Until there's a culture of good driving, rather than just slow driving, nothing will change.
supersnapper said:
So - your treasured child is overtaking a truck. Lack of experience means it's all getting a bit tight and they're running short of room. They squeeze the throttle to get them safely back on the correct side, and - Hey Presto! - a lower top speed than a 2CV. Bang. "Over-simplistic" barely covers what a waste of time this really is. Spend the money on driver training instead. Until there's a culture of good driving, rather than just slow driving, nothing will change.
Lets call that Scenario A.Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
SpeckledJim said:
Lets call that Scenario A.
Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
How about a happy scenario now which doesnt involve death?Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
Itsallicanafford said:
SpeckledJim said:
Lets call that Scenario A.
Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
How about a happy scenario now which doesnt involve death?Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
SpeckledJim said:
Ok - Scenario C:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
...i'm just impressed my son can drive at 6 weeks old...Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
Sorry ford your abit to late...
Kids can't drive anymore.
I'm 17 passed test and could buy a car tomorrow. But they want around £10000 to insure a 1Litre.
I watch the news and there talking about young drivers and so on. what young drivers?
I don't know anyone my age with an insured car.
Kids can't drive anymore.
I'm 17 passed test and could buy a car tomorrow. But they want around £10000 to insure a 1Litre.
I watch the news and there talking about young drivers and so on. what young drivers?
I don't know anyone my age with an insured car.
I was a plonker in my youth, the biggest difference between me and most of my mates was just that I was very lucky and never crashed.
In hindsight, this would have been good tech for me. I was smart enough to buy an old Nissan patrol with a top speed of about 90mph, that took about 30 minutes to get there, while my friends were crashing their 110mph Astra's.
If I bought my kid a car, it'll be a slow one. If there's no slow cars available, this tech could be a solution.
In hindsight, this would have been good tech for me. I was smart enough to buy an old Nissan patrol with a top speed of about 90mph, that took about 30 minutes to get there, while my friends were crashing their 110mph Astra's.
If I bought my kid a car, it'll be a slow one. If there's no slow cars available, this tech could be a solution.
SpeckledJim said:
Itsallicanafford said:
SpeckledJim said:
Lets call that Scenario A.
Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
How about a happy scenario now which doesnt involve death?Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
But, bored out of their tiny minds and desperate for a bit of excitement, the son realises that the car will be 'fine' with his foot welded to the floor at all times. Completely unable to develop the skills of throttle modulation as the speed limit is seen as the be-all and end-all, he takes every corner flat out, until the day he tries it on a hairpin bend, the Econo-Save tyres give up the ghost and he disappears off down a cliff.
People crave excitement. We need to court danger, it's all part of the way our brains work and it can't be sated by computer games - why else do people do extreme sports? Slapping an artificial limiter on a car will just encourage people to find its limits in other ways, so you might as well just get something that's low-powered enough as it is as a starter car and leave them to it.
At least then once they've felt the thrill (and, if they're honest with themselves, fear) of going flat-out maybe once or twice, they'll soon learn that it's not that big or clever and learn to back off, especially into corners.
With this, the casualties will merely relocate from the back of other vehicles to the outside of tight bends.
Education, followed by the careful application of responsibility, is the only way to tutor a good driver. This kind of thing just maintains a kind of ignorance and a sense of the unknown - and the unknown makes curious young minds want to push their boundaries.
I actually reckon this kind of thing could make accidents worse.
Twincam16 said:
SpeckledJim said:
Itsallicanafford said:
SpeckledJim said:
Lets call that Scenario A.
Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
How about a happy scenario now which doesnt involve death?Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
But, bored out of their tiny minds and desperate for a bit of excitement, the son realises that the car will be 'fine' with his foot welded to the floor at all times. Completely unable to develop the skills of throttle modulation as the speed limit is seen as the be-all and end-all, he takes every corner flat out, until the day he tries it on a hairpin bend, the Econo-Save tyres give up the ghost and he disappears off down a cliff.
People crave excitement. We need to court danger, it's all part of the way our brains work and it can't be sated by computer games - why else do people do extreme sports? Slapping an artificial limiter on a car will just encourage people to find its limits in other ways, so you might as well just get something that's low-powered enough as it is as a starter car and leave them to it.
At least then once they've felt the thrill (and, if they're honest with themselves, fear) of going flat-out maybe once or twice, they'll soon learn that it's not that big or clever and learn to back off, especially into corners.
With this, the casualties will merely relocate from the back of other vehicles to the outside of tight bends.
Education, followed by the careful application of responsibility, is the only way to tutor a good driver. This kind of thing just maintains a kind of ignorance and a sense of the unknown - and the unknown makes curious young minds want to push their boundaries.
I actually reckon this kind of thing could make accidents worse.
SpeckledJim said:
Twincam16 said:
SpeckledJim said:
Itsallicanafford said:
SpeckledJim said:
Lets call that Scenario A.
Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
How about a happy scenario now which doesnt involve death?Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
But, bored out of their tiny minds and desperate for a bit of excitement, the son realises that the car will be 'fine' with his foot welded to the floor at all times. Completely unable to develop the skills of throttle modulation as the speed limit is seen as the be-all and end-all, he takes every corner flat out, until the day he tries it on a hairpin bend, the Econo-Save tyres give up the ghost and he disappears off down a cliff.
People crave excitement. We need to court danger, it's all part of the way our brains work and it can't be sated by computer games - why else do people do extreme sports? Slapping an artificial limiter on a car will just encourage people to find its limits in other ways, so you might as well just get something that's low-powered enough as it is as a starter car and leave them to it.
At least then once they've felt the thrill (and, if they're honest with themselves, fear) of going flat-out maybe once or twice, they'll soon learn that it's not that big or clever and learn to back off, especially into corners.
With this, the casualties will merely relocate from the back of other vehicles to the outside of tight bends.
Education, followed by the careful application of responsibility, is the only way to tutor a good driver. This kind of thing just maintains a kind of ignorance and a sense of the unknown - and the unknown makes curious young minds want to push their boundaries.
I actually reckon this kind of thing could make accidents worse.
Twincam16 said:
SpeckledJim said:
Twincam16 said:
SpeckledJim said:
Itsallicanafford said:
SpeckledJim said:
Lets call that Scenario A.
Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? fking hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".
One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
How about a happy scenario now which doesnt involve death?Here's Scenario B:
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100". One thing leads to another, bridge supports prove unyielding, and we drive past the wilting flowers for the next month.
Your young brainless son is out with his mates, 5-up, cruising for chicks. They're on the bypass and your son is maintaining a steady 60. Then someone in the back seat, probably the mouthy one you've never liked, pipes up with "60!? f
king hell, we'll be here all day. Come on you pussy, I want to see 100".Your brainless son responds "Tell me about it. My dad has stitched me up with this bloody key so I can only do 60."
Then they arrive safely at their destination.
How's that?
But, bored out of their tiny minds and desperate for a bit of excitement, the son realises that the car will be 'fine' with his foot welded to the floor at all times. Completely unable to develop the skills of throttle modulation as the speed limit is seen as the be-all and end-all, he takes every corner flat out, until the day he tries it on a hairpin bend, the Econo-Save tyres give up the ghost and he disappears off down a cliff.
People crave excitement. We need to court danger, it's all part of the way our brains work and it can't be sated by computer games - why else do people do extreme sports? Slapping an artificial limiter on a car will just encourage people to find its limits in other ways, so you might as well just get something that's low-powered enough as it is as a starter car and leave them to it.
At least then once they've felt the thrill (and, if they're honest with themselves, fear) of going flat-out maybe once or twice, they'll soon learn that it's not that big or clever and learn to back off, especially into corners.
With this, the casualties will merely relocate from the back of other vehicles to the outside of tight bends.
Education, followed by the careful application of responsibility, is the only way to tutor a good driver. This kind of thing just maintains a kind of ignorance and a sense of the unknown - and the unknown makes curious young minds want to push their boundaries.
I actually reckon this kind of thing could make accidents worse.
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