RE: MY2016 Triumph Bonnevilles: PH2

[tvrolet]

Pothole said:

ash73 said:

I like the Street Twin the best, and the retro half fairing on the Thruxton, but why water cooled and fake carbs?

EMISIONS

Not so sure it's as simple as just 'EMISSIONS' [SP ], more possibly emissions for the power they want out the motor. The Indian Thunderstroke meets all current emissions out of an air cooled v-twin and makes 115ft/lb...but then that's out of 1800cc or so, so they're not exactly pushing the performance boundaries. So my betting would be air-cooked would have been fine for a 'soft' motor, but not something meant to be a bit sporty.

As to the 'fake carbs', then not only don't I have a problem with that, I actually quite like it. I'd say it's more like throttle bodies 'in the style of a carb body' than outright fake. Bur then where do you stop with the 'fake' as opposed to 'in the style of'?

For example this is a DOHC motor, but the cam covers are clearly styled like rocker covers from the old pushrod motor. The triangular engine cover was originally that shape on a Triumph as there were two cams in there to drive off the crank - front and back of the block. They ain't there any more, so why not just put a different shaped cover on? There's a catalytic converter in there between the pipes - the pipes don't actually run directly from the ports to the silencers, they're fake too under/beside the motor. The real pipes go into and out of the catalytic converter. ...and so on. I think it's a very good tribute/'in the style of' effort.

[Wacky Racer]

tvrolet said:

Not so sure it's as simple as just 'EMISSIONS' [SP ], more possibly emissions for the power they want out the motor. The Indian Thunderstroke meets all current emissions out of an air cooled v-twin and makes 115ft/lb...but then that's out of 1800cc or so, so they're not exactly pushing the performance boundaries. So my betting would be air-cooked would have been fine for a 'soft' motor, but not something meant to be a bit sporty.

As to the 'fake carbs', then not only don't I have a problem with that, I actually quite like it. I'd say it's more like throttle bodies 'in the style of a carb body' that outright fake. Bur then where do you stop with the 'fake' as opposed to 'in the style of'?

For example this is a DOHC motor, but the cam covers are clearly styled like rocker covers from the old pushrod motor. The triangular engine cover was originally that shape on a Triumph as there were two cams in there to drive off the crank - front and back of the block. They ain't there any more, so why not just put a different shaped cover on? There's a catalytic converter in there between the pipes - the pipes don't actually run directly from the ports to the silencers, they're fake too under/beside the motor. The real pipes go into and out of the catalytic converter. ...and so on. I think it's a very good tribute/'in the style of' effort.

Good post, says it all really.

Off topic. How are you liking your bike?

[Richyboy]

Ohlins, brembos and power; I want that one.

[tvrolet]

Wacky Racer said:

Good post, says it all really.

Off topic. How are you liking your bike?

Off topic - absolutely loving it still; I just can't fault it for what I wanted it for. I had (still have) a GPz1100 but I was using it less and less to the point where it's been SORNd for about 5 years now. I was getting less and less pleasure out of it year-by-year, and when I did use it, it was maybe for a 50 mile run on a nice day. There's probably 8000 miles on the Indian now, and I'm still making any excuse to get out on it - runs, tours, events, and even just up to the shops! And it won't be laid-up for winter (and it wasn't last winter either). It has totally transformed my love of biking to what it was maybe 30+ years ago! So now a 'run' is probably 200 miles plus; I've done 500+ miles in a day with just fuel stops, toured round the North of Scotland twice plus the inner Hebrides; done London and back (from Scotland); all things I never thought I'd do again as a jaded old bloke. I also thought it would be a fair-weather toy, but actually it gets used in any weather (I did about 400 miles down to Cheltenham the day it was reckoned a month's rain came down in one afternoon!). But conceptually very much like the Triumph - all the styling cues from the classic bikes, but up-to-date technology.

[Wacky Racer]

tvrolet said:

Wacky Racer said:

Good post, says it all really.

Off topic. How are you liking your bike?

Off topic - absolutely loving it still; I just can't fault it for what I wanted it for. I had (still have) a GPz1100 but I was using it less and less to the point where it's been SORNd for about 5 years now. I was getting less and less pleasure out of it year-by-year, and when I did use it, it was maybe for a 50 mile run on a nice day. There's probably 8000 miles on the Indian now, and I'm still making any excuse to get out on it - runs, tours, events, and even just up to the shops! And it won't be laid-up for winter (and it wasn't last winter either). It has totally transformed my love of biking to what it was maybe 30+ years ago! So now a 'run' is probably 200 miles plus; I've done 500+ miles in a day with just fuel stops, toured round the North of Scotland twice plus the inner Hebrides; done London and back (from Scotland); all things I never thought I'd do again as a jaded old bloke. I also thought it would be a fair-weather toy, but actually it gets used in any weather (I did about 400 miles down to Cheltenham the day it was reckoned a month's rain came down in one afternoon!). But conceptually very much like the Triumph - all the styling cues from the classic bikes, but up-to-date technology.

Very pleased to hear that you like it, it looks like a lovely machine from the pictures you posted up previously.

Anyhow, sorry to drift off topic, back to the new Triumphs............

[Wacky Racer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iIm0Rwn9wM

[londonbabe]

So other people think the Bonnie is a lightweight?

For years I have disliked the size and weight of my Thruxton. Always thought it was too heavy and too big. I never once thought it was too slow.

So while I bloody love the look of the Thruxton R, a bigger, heavier, faster bike is going in all the wrong directions for me, and I'd still prefer a Moto Guzzi V7.

[MrML]

woowahwoo said:

ash73 said:

Where is the new Scrambler? Or is that it, a Bonnie with a high exhaust?

You might be correct. The 900s feature the 270 degree crankshaft, now, and it's mentioned above that there will be a long accessory list, for customising them.

I reckon they'll give 6mths-1yr then launch the Scrambler & Bobber versions separately - the 'scrambler kit' is just a pipe and bars for the 900 speed twin model, not for the 1200's afaik...