Members racing thread
Discussion
Gavia said:
Fleegle and I did the 3 hour Hottrax endurance there a few years ago. It was an absolute killer for both of us and we did 3x30 min stints each. We would’ve done it again straight after due to the adrenaline though. The attrition in the races was pretty huge though, as the punishment for a minor error at Oulton can be quite severe.
Yeah, you don't get let off lightly if you come off track theremckeann said:
I'm bored today so thought I'd look for some stats to back up the argument that fastest lap time doesn't matter, it's more about consistency
In my 3rd session of the 4 I did in the Donny 1000km race, my best time was 1.38.912.
I did an outlap and 18 fliers. My average laptime over the 18 flying laps was 1.2 seconds higher at 1.40.1
I'm not picking on you George, but I looked at your results from Oulton park (have you raced at Donny to compare apples with apples?) as I remember you raced there with NL. You did a 10 lap race, 1 from the start line and 9 flyers. Your fastest lap of the race was 1.49.1 and your average of the 9 flyers was 1.4 seconds faster at 1.50.5.
So a riders fastest lap isn't all that relevant, it's your average over a longer stint with traffic, which are both harder to do in endurance I imagine (I haven't done a sprint race yet, but it makes sense in my head that's how it would be)
Yeah, it's definitely hard to stay consistent over a stint in endurance. Not only do you get tired, but there's a lot of traffic to get through as there's multiple categories on the track at the same time, and unlike a sprint race, where you'll only encounter a few back markers for even the fastest guys, in the endurance race, you might have to overtake 5 or 6 riders per lap. Unless you really have luck on your side, those rarely come up on the straights and you tend to get a bit of backing up behind a slower rider, so you might have to take 2 or 3 in one corner.In my 3rd session of the 4 I did in the Donny 1000km race, my best time was 1.38.912.
I did an outlap and 18 fliers. My average laptime over the 18 flying laps was 1.2 seconds higher at 1.40.1
I'm not picking on you George, but I looked at your results from Oulton park (have you raced at Donny to compare apples with apples?) as I remember you raced there with NL. You did a 10 lap race, 1 from the start line and 9 flyers. Your fastest lap of the race was 1.49.1 and your average of the 9 flyers was 1.4 seconds faster at 1.50.5.
So a riders fastest lap isn't all that relevant, it's your average over a longer stint with traffic, which are both harder to do in endurance I imagine (I haven't done a sprint race yet, but it makes sense in my head that's how it would be)
That's where your BSB team mates will come into their own though, as they'll be that much faster than most and probably more ruthless in how they pass, whereas I try and be quite courteous in an endurance race, and that might cost me a couple of opportunities where I could just stuff it up the inside of them and throw them out wide.
Who is it you have on your team ?
George29 said:
hebegb said:
My guess was Adam Jenkinson and Jonny Blackshaw .....
Well , I hope you’re paying them handsomely George , but tbh mate it doesn’t really ring of the spirit of the occasion - granted all comers may take part and it is a non Championship round so whatever happens you’re venture won’t f
k up the championship even if “ you /yours” do end up punting someone off in the quest for glory .....
Make sure you bring a gum shield with you if you do me or one of ours though and you’ve set yourself up with it all to lose from the off ....
Hahaha - loving it , banter in the cold grim icy mist of January waaaay pre-season ! Love it - right , training to be done , draught Peroni won’t drink itself - fare well !
No quest for glory, just a few mates going for a bit of fun! But why not aim for the top whilst we’re doing it Well , I hope you’re paying them handsomely George , but tbh mate it doesn’t really ring of the spirit of the occasion - granted all comers may take part and it is a non Championship round so whatever happens you’re venture won’t f
k up the championship even if “ you /yours” do end up punting someone off in the quest for glory .....Make sure you bring a gum shield with you if you do me or one of ours though and you’ve set yourself up with it all to lose from the off ....
Hahaha - loving it , banter in the cold grim icy mist of January waaaay pre-season ! Love it - right , training to be done , draught Peroni won’t drink itself - fare well !
Enjoy the Peroni, make sure to bring plenty for after the 8 hours
Gavia said:
George29 said:
Gavia said:
You might want to reconsider the courtesy element. The are plenty of teams out there who will be running all season and as you know the club paddock is a friendly place. Anyone punting someone of a lesser ability off the track, or being particularly discourteous could face official as well as unofficial sanction.
Where did I ever say “punting someone off”? 
On a track day standing someone up mid corner isn’t allowed. In a race it’s fair game. As a result you might mess up the other person’s lap but that doesn’t really matter, all you’re bothered about is getting past them as quickly as possible. It’s selfish but I expect it to be done to me so it’s fair game
hebegb said:
Gavia said:
Just to let those who raced in the 1000km at Donny last year know, you have to advise No Limits that you’re entering this year’s race before 5pm tonight. There’s no payment needed yet, but if you don’t let them know then you’re in with the general sales and priority entry has been lost.
Thanks for that - appreciated, missed this in communications ( hadn't looked !).I can't see it selling out overnight as the 1000km still had team slots available up to around 2 weeks out
Gavia said:
graeme4130 said:
Team 113 are back on that. Got the mail from Toni yesterday
I can't see it selling out overnight as the 1000km still had team slots available up to around 2 weeks out
I think by making it a non-championship round and open tyres they’re hoping to sell out a bit more easily this time round. Plus there’s likely to be a reasonably large SS1000 contingent there by all accounts. I can't see it selling out overnight as the 1000km still had team slots available up to around 2 weeks out
I now know of another team that's there to win it if they enter, and they're 1:30-33 guys, so they'll be the ones to beat I reckon
Either way, be cool to share the track some really good racers
Good luck mate
I more than likely won't be racing with them this year, but I'll come up and watch a couple of rounds as my youngest boy turns 12 this sept, so wants to look at the Superteens series for maybe next year, and then I'll move over to Thundersport GP1 so we can have the same race weekends
I was supposed to be racing at Snetterton this weekend, but work stuff has got in the way, so I've moved my entry onto another round.
The only race I have booked for this year so far is the 8hr Endurance at Donington in July
I more than likely won't be racing with them this year, but I'll come up and watch a couple of rounds as my youngest boy turns 12 this sept, so wants to look at the Superteens series for maybe next year, and then I'll move over to Thundersport GP1 so we can have the same race weekends
I was supposed to be racing at Snetterton this weekend, but work stuff has got in the way, so I've moved my entry onto another round.
The only race I have booked for this year so far is the 8hr Endurance at Donington in July
Gavia said:
George29 said:
Do you really rate Donington GP over the national? I’m massively the other way round, I hate the pointless Melbourne loop on the GP
I’d rate Donington and Cadwell both above Oulton though
I like the Esses and the two hairpins, whilst disrupting the flow a bit make for good racing and overtakes. I’d rate Donington and Cadwell both above Oulton though
Cadwell doesn’t do it for me, too narrow, awkward with the racing paddock being down at the bottom and lack of facilities (power, garages etc), plus it’s effing miles away.
Horses for courses though, see what I did there. I don’t think any of the ones we’re discussing are bad though.
I’m not a fan of Cadwell either, bloody miles away from me, s
t facilities and a narrow track that makes it easy to get printed off by someone else’s mistake I’d take Oulton over Cadwell every time, even with a single day race meet like they generally have there
Edited by graeme4130 on Tuesday 27th March 13:46
moanthebairns said:
StuB said:
moanthebairns said:
New quickshifter - check
New headers - check
New head bearings - check
New master cylinder - check
Lock wire, service, coolant etc - check
Forget to renew your race licence two days before an event. Fuuuuck
Hoping to have my licence forwarded through to attend testing tomorrow see if the bikes running right to "race".
mckeann said:
Got talked into coming out of retirement for the 8 hour. No, not Suzuka, just Donington again.
Team name still to be confirmed, but it's me and a couple of fast Scottish mates, all newbie racers so we'll be in the clubman 1000 class.
What other PHBB folks are in for it??
Team Lucking Fast??? Gav, Hebegebe, and Fleegle???
Team 113? Graeme, same 3 pals as last time
Anybody else???
Good to hear NeilTeam name still to be confirmed, but it's me and a couple of fast Scottish mates, all newbie racers so we'll be in the clubman 1000 class.
What other PHBB folks are in for it??
Team Lucking Fast??? Gav, Hebegebe, and Fleegle???
Team 113? Graeme, same 3 pals as last time
Anybody else???
Yeah, same team as last year, although the team member that had the unreliable Aprilia, now has an equally unreliable Triumph
The 1000km was my last race too
I’m doing the 8hr again, then 1000cc Cup at Oulton, and I reckon that’ll be it for racing this year
Gavia said:
graeme4130 said:
Looks like Oulton is going to be a no go for me as I've managed to trap a nerve in my neck working last weekend, and it's just not getting any better 
If anyone fancies a go at Cup1000, then I have a slot for sale
That’s a shame. Very full grid too with 38 there! I’m doing the two races and the endurance, but looking a bit wet unfortunately, so you're unlikely to be missing much. If anyone fancies a go at Cup1000, then I have a slot for sale
I set off for the Trackday there today at 4am and barely got 15 mins down the road before coming back home
However, it’s starting to loosen off a bit, so I’ll decide if I’m coming up or not tomorrow
I’m actually feeling a bit motivated knowing it’s looking to be wet
I was a tad damp at Oulton today 
Qualifying was interesting
The track looked patchy, and the cloud very dark. It started spitting so I went out on wets
Between leaving the garage and getting through the staging area checks, it was clear that slicks would’ve been the better option as the sun was shining and the track was actually basically dry
Still, I had some fun sliding around on cooked wets, and start 17th of 36 tomorrow
Qualifying was interesting
The track looked patchy, and the cloud very dark. It started spitting so I went out on wets
Between leaving the garage and getting through the staging area checks, it was clear that slicks would’ve been the better option as the sun was shining and the track was actually basically dry
Still, I had some fun sliding around on cooked wets, and start 17th of 36 tomorrow
I'm going to write today at Oulton Park off as a learning experience.
First race stared ok, and then bike wouldn't rev cleanly and kept spluttering, After about 2 laps, I just cruised around to get the license signature of a finish
I suspected it was fuel filter or pump, so I cleaned the filter out and all appeared ok again.
Race 2 again started ok, although I had to start somewhere near the back of the 35 rider field due to my position in race one, and was fine for the first couple of laps as I made my way through traffic, only to start spluttering again and at one point completely conked out and had to be restarted just going into druids, which wasn't much fun.
Called it a day at that point, and pulled into the pits after just 5 laps
On the positive, I had a good laugh with my mates over the two days, I put myself and my bike back into my van in one piece, and for about 3 seconds, I actually overtook John McGuinness going into Island bend up the inside, before he promptly took me straight back into shell and then cleared off.
All good experience for me, and I've had worse weekends despite not getting the results I'd have liked
It was my first race in the 1000cc Cup with NL, and the front guy in my class was doing 1:41's, so even on my very best form, I was never going to be challenging for any wins in the dry
This pic from NLR just about sums my day up. Mid morning sulky snooze
First race stared ok, and then bike wouldn't rev cleanly and kept spluttering, After about 2 laps, I just cruised around to get the license signature of a finish
I suspected it was fuel filter or pump, so I cleaned the filter out and all appeared ok again.
Race 2 again started ok, although I had to start somewhere near the back of the 35 rider field due to my position in race one, and was fine for the first couple of laps as I made my way through traffic, only to start spluttering again and at one point completely conked out and had to be restarted just going into druids, which wasn't much fun.
Called it a day at that point, and pulled into the pits after just 5 laps
On the positive, I had a good laugh with my mates over the two days, I put myself and my bike back into my van in one piece, and for about 3 seconds, I actually overtook John McGuinness going into Island bend up the inside, before he promptly took me straight back into shell and then cleared off.
All good experience for me, and I've had worse weekends despite not getting the results I'd have liked
It was my first race in the 1000cc Cup with NL, and the front guy in my class was doing 1:41's, so even on my very best form, I was never going to be challenging for any wins in the dry
This pic from NLR just about sums my day up. Mid morning sulky snooze
Gavia said:
I’ll do a write up when I’m sober but I loved the endurance race, 6th overall out of 38 starters. Personal bests all round and in the 1:40s even if they are 1:49s.
I am genuinely buzzing.
Awesome, well done mateI am genuinely buzzing.
I watched you start and the first few laps, and you were flying
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