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Going back to the point about how Windows needs to run on a huge variety of hardware - this is more reason to go Apple as you know the hardware has been tested fully with the OS.
I'm in the fanboy camp I must admit. I work in IT and out of a team of 10, 9 of us have Macs at home because we want an easy life - Windows because we're paid to use it, mac for pleasure.
They're not for everyone, but reading this debate many times of all the people who have tried both (ignoring keyboard warriors who've only tried one), most prefer OSX. Not all, but most. You'll read many stories of people trying OSX and never going back, and a small number of people who tried it, didn't get on with it and went back.
Get to the Apple store and have a play. If you don't like it, go Windows. If you want to play the latest graphic intensive games, again a windows PC might be better. But one thing to be aware of - Macs can run Windows either in a VM or dual boot with little effort. Windows PC's cannot run OSX (except hackintoshes, but unless you're a geek and have the right hardware, its not a route to take...)
I'm in the fanboy camp I must admit. I work in IT and out of a team of 10, 9 of us have Macs at home because we want an easy life - Windows because we're paid to use it, mac for pleasure.
They're not for everyone, but reading this debate many times of all the people who have tried both (ignoring keyboard warriors who've only tried one), most prefer OSX. Not all, but most. You'll read many stories of people trying OSX and never going back, and a small number of people who tried it, didn't get on with it and went back.
Get to the Apple store and have a play. If you don't like it, go Windows. If you want to play the latest graphic intensive games, again a windows PC might be better. But one thing to be aware of - Macs can run Windows either in a VM or dual boot with little effort. Windows PC's cannot run OSX (except hackintoshes, but unless you're a geek and have the right hardware, its not a route to take...)
6655321 said:
So... You have one bunch saying that their OS is more geek, and the other bunch are saying the same thing... Brilliant.
If you are a referring to my post you completely missed the point of the post.I find ironic you keep commenting on how stupid 'this versus that' threads are yet you comment in them all.
i.e. 2 pages of iphone crap in Windows 7 or Mac thread
TonyToniTone said:
6655321 said:
So... You have one bunch saying that their OS is more geek, and the other bunch are saying the same thing... Brilliant.
If you are a referring to my post you completely missed the point of the post.I find ironic you keep commenting on how stupid 'this versus that' threads are yet you comment in them all.
i.e. 2 pages of iphone crap in Windows 7 or Mac thread
As a sidenote, I wasn't referring to you, it was a comment in general.
6655321 said:
Do you... That's sweet. If you could please point out where I went all fanboy, or whatever, then I'll agree with you.
You didn't go fanboy at any point 
I was merely pointing out you think this v's that thread are daft - yet in this one you have greatly contributed to 2 pages of OT stuff about phones.TonyToniTone said:
6655321 said:
Do you... That's sweet. If you could please point out where I went all fanboy, or whatever, then I'll agree with you.
You didn't go fanboy at any point I was merely pointing out you think this v's that thread are daft - yet in this one you have greatly contributed to 2 pages of OT stuff about phones.6655321 said:
TonyToniTone said:
6655321 said:
Do you... That's sweet. If you could please point out where I went all fanboy, or whatever, then I'll agree with you.
You didn't go fanboy at any point I was merely pointing out you think this v's that thread are daft - yet in this one you have greatly contributed to 2 pages of OT stuff about phones.
) i think the point is your still contributing to a thread which you find so daft so if your really that upset by this type of thread please contribute elsewhere....Saying that just saw your post count and it must be impossible to contribute that much without putting your ore in without talking on threads you find draft and a waste of time.
Edited by CooperS on Saturday 31st October 13:43
CooperS said:
6655321 said:
TonyToniTone said:
6655321 said:
Do you... That's sweet. If you could please point out where I went all fanboy, or whatever, then I'll agree with you.
You didn't go fanboy at any point I was merely pointing out you think this v's that thread are daft - yet in this one you have greatly contributed to 2 pages of OT stuff about phones.) i think the point is your still contributing to a thread which you find so daft so if your really that upset by this type of thread please contribute elsewhere....6655321 said:
CooperS said:
6655321 said:
TonyToniTone said:
6655321 said:
Do you... That's sweet. If you could please point out where I went all fanboy, or whatever, then I'll agree with you.
You didn't go fanboy at any point I was merely pointing out you think this v's that thread are daft - yet in this one you have greatly contributed to 2 pages of OT stuff about phones.) i think the point is your still contributing to a thread which you find so daft so if your really that upset by this type of thread please contribute elsewhere....TonyToniTone said:
'under the hood' bad case of too much kool aid - so what can't you do under the bonnet in windows 7.
TonyToniTone said:
I think you are talking nonsense , do you actually believe what you wrote?
Tell me something your average user needs to do at the command line that cannot be achieved through the GUI, does the OSX gui really have infinitely more config options than its Windows 7 counter part?
This is directed at theaxe so please let him answer..
Either I wasn't very clear or you misunderstood me (or maybe both Tell me something your average user needs to do at the command line that cannot be achieved through the GUI, does the OSX gui really have infinitely more config options than its Windows 7 counter part?
This is directed at theaxe so please let him answer..
)... I didn't say that you couldn't do stuff under the hood in Windows and my point was that generally windows GUIs offer a richer set of options than OS X. Take backups for example, in Windows you can configure detailed schedules, incremental and full backups etc. In OS X you get to choose the destination drive, exclude folders and that's it.In this scenario will a Windows user think:
a) Ah, that was easy. I'll just let OS X get on with it.
b) OS X is crap, I can't change the detailed settings, that's annoying, I'll stop using it.
c) Humm, I bet I could change the settings with the command line/text files, I'll do that.
I suspect most will end up in group a or b and so you end up with people who are either a) OS X evangelists or b) find OS X frustrating.
Edit: I realise that my post above was in fact unclear. I was talking about OS X. Here's an edited version which I hope will make more sense:
theaxe should have said:
I don't have a problem with doing things "the Apple way", it's usually the easiest way. If I want to go 'under the hood' then I can, it's Unix underneath.
[Editing this next paragraph to be clearer...]
I think Windows users are somewhere between the two, they're frustrated with the lack of options through the GUI (in OS X) but intimidated by the commandline/textfile configurations under the hood (of OS X).
[Editing this next paragraph to be clearer...]
I think Windows users are somewhere between the two, they're frustrated with the lack of options through the GUI (in OS X) but intimidated by the commandline/textfile configurations under the hood (of OS X).
Edited by theaxe on Saturday 31st October 13:52
Ordinary_Chap said:
Cyberface, I think most of what I posted there has been taken out of context which is not usual for you but for some reason you've gone off on a strange tangent.
I'm not even going to try and answer
One day before go-live on my project, a week of 16 hour days, the middle of our 2nd IVF cycle (GF had eggs collected that morning), and too much medication. Mea culpa - I'm beyond stressed at the momentI'm not even going to try and answer
OP said:
...I popped out and got myself a Mac 950.
First upgrade: Missing Manual For Mac OSX Snow Leopard (probably cheaper at Amazon, would recommend this over the Switching book). Will answer 99% of the questions you have.t84 said:
Macs are for people who just want to use it and don't give a s
t about what's under the hood. They are the Daewoo Matiz of computing to me
I think that is a little harsh but damn close to the trutht about what's under the hood. They are the Daewoo Matiz of computing to me They are more toyota corolla on a service contract of the computing world
I use a mac and really don't give a flying feck about what is happening in the background i just want the thing to work. I don't want to arse around with firewalls, anti virus, spy ware and the rest of the pap that comes with a windows machine. I don't want to maintain the thing i just want to go to it and for it to work.
My experience of windows was a machine that fell on its arse all the time and i am 90% sure that was down to my lack of skill in keeping the thing going. Is that microsofts fault for selling something that needs loads of maintenance or mine for not maintaining it. I shall let you decide on that.
To return to the car analogies I own an old ratty defender and i doubt if the IT wonderboys could keep it running sweet as they don't have the tools or experience. So while they look down their noses at us mac users i can just as easily look down my nose at them as i'm sure that alot of them are completely lost at anything beyond checking the oil.
And yet I have a Windows Home Server machine sat in the corner, glowing a nice blue, which has not required a single second of my time in a year. I think it probably updates itself, but I really haven't got a clue and don't particularly care.
It tops the list of "things that just do what they are asked" in my house. Even the bloody telly needed the recent digital retune thing ! My Vista laptop is by no means a constant pain, but it is difficult to believe they are produced by the same company.
It tops the list of "things that just do what they are asked" in my house. Even the bloody telly needed the recent digital retune thing ! My Vista laptop is by no means a constant pain, but it is difficult to believe they are produced by the same company.
Noger said:
And yet I have a Windows Home Server machine sat in the corner, glowing a nice blue, which has not required a single second of my time in a year. I think it probably updates itself, but I really haven't got a clue and don't particularly care.
+1 - except the clue part - I built mine... It Just.... worksOrdinary_Chap said:
theaxe said:
Charlie Brooker sums it up pretty well.
Brooker said:
I know Windows is awful. Everyone knows Windows is awful. Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it. OK, OK: I know other operating systems are available. But their advocates seem even creepier, snootier and more insistent than Mac owners. The harder they try to convince me, the more I'm repelled.
And he also said said:
I vaguely prefer the clumping, clueless, uncool, crappiness of Microsoft's bland Stepford gang to the creepy assurance of the average Mac evangelist. At least the grinning dildos in the Windows video are fictional, whereas eerie replicant Mac monks really are everywhere, standing over your shoulder in their charcoal pullovers, smirking with amusement at your hopelessly inferior OS, knowing they're better than you because they use Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard.
Snow Leopard. SNOW LEOPARD.
His entire story is fictional none factual but amusing.Snow Leopard. SNOW LEOPARD.
Charlie Brooker is so funny, he's, he's... iFunny!
I remember his description of a Big Brother house mate - "looks like a cartoon sketch of a foolish horse"
FWIW - Been on a Mac for 6 years now (after the Mrs needed to switch from PC when she was doing her BA in Graphic Design) and very pleased we switched.
Edited by blindmaninchains on Sunday 1st November 18:38
Noger said:
Are you saying that no Windows PC is able to run for 10 hours without crashing ?
Not at all. Just my personal experience.t84 said:
You are having a laugh aren't you? A large proportion of crashes are caused through hardware, or user error, I'd hazard a guess to say that it's so hard to crash a Mac because you are so restricted as to what settings you can play with
Plus, most of the Windows crashes I've seen have been when running cutting edge games, won't be seeing that on a Mac will you?
If you want stability, run a Linux based system and buy a book, I've got an iPhone and I still thing Macs are for people who just want to use it and don't give a st about what's under the hood. They are the Daewoo Matiz of computing to me
You're right, I don't care what's under the hood and I don't really want to play with any settings. All that matters to me is that the computer runs without hanging/breaking. Other than that I can't that excited about them.Plus, most of the Windows crashes I've seen have been when running cutting edge games, won't be seeing that on a Mac will you?
If you want stability, run a Linux based system and buy a book, I've got an iPhone and I still thing Macs are for people who just want to use it and don't give a s
t about what's under the hood. They are the Daewoo Matiz of computing to me My Mac runs my CAD software quickly and smoothly, and is powerful enough for the occasional Photoshop and Final Cut work. Don't play games on my computer, it's only for work.
benny.c said:
I've used a variety of Macs and PCs over the years but when it comes to running my business it has to be Macs. When you rely on the computer 100% for your business, first and foremost it must be capable of running 10 hours per day without crashing. In the last six years I have used a Mac, I can probably count on one hand the amount of time it has crashed and required a manual restart.
My PC rarely crashes and its never turned off, I mean, neverin the last year, I cant remember it ever crashing, and the only reboots it ever gets is if I'm away for a few days so it gets turned off, or fresh software requires a reboot
but Macs look Preeeeetttty
Fittster said:
jimothy said:
I work in IT and out of a team of 10, 9 of us have Macs at home because we want an easy life
I'd love to know where that stat comes from.Seriously, if people who work in IT can't handle turning on and off a Windows machine, they should think about refuse collection as a career change.
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