V12 Vantage S. Turn the DSC off, its summer...

V12 Vantage S. Turn the DSC off, its summer...

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Flugplatz

Original Poster:

1,953 posts

253 months

Sunday 17th July 2016
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I didnt realise how traction control had influenced my driving and the experience.

I got my V12S in Novemeber so got used to the car with DSC on.

I did knock it into track mode now and again in the rain for a little added excitement but in the main its been DSC on.


DSC off and WOW!!! Its a different car smile

Yes, you've got to be confident but if you,re a "Driver" you will absolutely love it.

I didnt realise how much the systems are actually in use in daily driving.


It just comes alive and I dont mean just when you break traction.


I'm in sport mode for the suspension too and the connection and feedback is wonderful.


Get out and try it smile


12pack

1,599 posts

176 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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BTW, this is true for the ol' V12V as well.

I've feel very often that the DSC trims torque even if if the orange indicator does not flash - especially when shifting hard 1st-2nd or 2nd-3rd. If its over 20 deg, with warmed tyres and a dry road in track mode the car just leaps forward shifting into 2nd and 3rd.

Edited by 12pack on Monday 18th July 14:10

northernmedia

1,988 posts

146 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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This could end in tears biglaugh

dbs2000

2,716 posts

200 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Agree, it could sure up some values there being a few less laugh

JohnG1

3,485 posts

213 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Flgplatz said:
Yes, you've got to be confident
Er, no, you have to be a good driver. Confidence is irrelevant...

12pack

1,599 posts

176 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Well, you certainly have to know what you're doing before you push the 'wrong button' ...or you'll have to go fetch the wheel.
https://youtu.be/Kdf1mXpyE1Q

divetheworld

2,565 posts

143 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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DSC on = wet mode
Track = Fun mode
Off = "Button of death"

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CSK1

1,686 posts

132 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Just done the PDC in May. Instructor told me no need to turn off DSC as it is tuned not to be intrusive so if the light comes on you've done something wrong. I drive quite fast and very rarely do I see the DSC light on, only when setting off and accelerating hard from very low speed. Probably best saved for track days.
I had one moment when it was raining on the motorway, sharp left bend I accelerated mildly and had a serious oversteer and that was with DSC engaged, just to say DSC fully on allows quite some oversteer and confirms the PDC instructor's comments that it is designed to be unobtrusive. So I'd advise to keep it on unless you're in a safe environment, ie a track.

Flugplatz

Original Poster:

1,953 posts

253 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Well, It's been fabulous with DSC off however I forgot there would be a price to pay!!

I just checked my 1500 mile Corsa's and they are are down to the threads biggrin



northernmedia

1,988 posts

146 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Great picture! cool

cayman-black

12,950 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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1500 miles yikes

SAG6Y

387 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I always drive my V12V in track mode. Just gives it a nice bit slip before intervening. Also doesn't kill power as it does when TC is on full. I love the feeling of the car moving around but like the safety net of track mode incase I run out of talent!

n12maser

635 posts

100 months

Sunday 7th July
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Traction control in 'track mode' has been a total revelation to me.

It's honestly like a completely different car. I couldn't seem to get a good flow going on our roads - I thought the problem was maybe poor tyres or just the suspension tuned way too hard.

Turns out it was the traction control constantly intervening (but doesn't show the orange light unless it's extreme).

PLEASE try your V12 vantage S with traction control in track mode - particularly in the wet, you will get a fantastic feeling for how balanced the car is. I love that the V12 has the torque to adjust the slip angle as you please - so fun!

raceboy

13,280 posts

288 months

Monday 8th July
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For some reason the roads were a little quiet on Saturday evening. scratchchindriving


quench

527 posts

154 months

Monday 8th July
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Well, I'll be the party-pooper and provide a contrarian viewpoint, which has been summarized by others better than I could manage:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28714/tu...

Yes, there are stability control systems that are too intrusive. I don't find the V12V(S)'s to be one of them.

n12maser

635 posts

100 months

Monday 8th July
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I never suggested to turn it off, just to dial back how aggressive it is (track mode)

Calinours

1,335 posts

58 months

Monday 8th July
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quench said:
Well, I'll be the party-pooper and provide a contrarian viewpoint, which has been summarized by others better than I could manage:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28714/tu...

Yes, there are stability control systems that are too intrusive. I don't find the V12V(S)'s to be one of them.
Seconded. I 'accidentally' disabled it once and without any possibility of me reacting the Vantage swapped ends snapping just as violently as my old turbo Calibra, under hard acceleration exiting a wet roundabout. Span 360 degrees while sliding 50yds and unbelievably hit nothing.

I got away with it - as an absolute minimum, leave track mode on if you have it and absolutely must play on an empty public road.



PHFS

62 posts

106 months

Tuesday 9th July
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I’ve tracked my V12VS three times. Track mode seems to give the most fun, powered slip yet you’ do have a safety net.

On a sprint track, which we privately rent. I felt like a hero with DSC off, catching the small levels of oversteer. I then pushed more and more until I ran out of talent. Car just snapped annd I couldn’t catch it. P zeros didn’t help, but if you did that on a public road it would end very badly.

Back at the sprint track this year, with Mich PS4S the slip seemed far more progressive, but track mode still gave me the best track time.

Edited by PHFS on Tuesday 9th July 16:10

n12maser

635 posts

100 months

Tuesday 9th July
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nice to hear.

when my Pirellis are done, i'm thinking about going for the Continental Sport Contact 7. Over the Pilot Sport 4S. Seem to be getting rave reviews.

although don't want this car tooooo glued down, it's not a 911!

PHFS

62 posts

106 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Are the Conti 7s getting rav reviews over the PS4S?