Another sold a car, buyer wants money thread
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I always thought, when reading these kinds of threads, that I would be hardened to it all and tell them to naff off. The reality is, I really can't be arsed with it and don't want the stress. So, here goes my story.
I sold a car last week, I stuck it on eBay starting at £1. It sold for a little over 4K and the winners collected it a week later. Now threatening disputes tribunal, whatever that is. This was a private sale.
I took it for an MOT during the auction, it passed with advisorys. Small chip/crack on the windscreen, an oil leak and a tyre worn. not too bad for a 12-year-old car. I presented it early for the MOT hoping to get more for it on the auction. I don't know if I did. It had over a year's MOT on it when it sold.
I also put a new battery on it before selling, the old one was showing its age in the recent cold weather.
I had the car serviced (oil and filters) before selling it (within a couple hundred miles)
I have not had any problems with the car
She took it for a test drive and was happy
She looked over the paperwork and was happy
She spent some time on the phone taking out what sounded like a third-party warrantee... this was the first of my spidey senses going off.
She asked for a receipt, I had forgotten about this so ran in and printed off a couple of templates from the AA. This includes the phrase "It is understood the vehicle is sold as seen, tried and approved by the purchaser."
2 hours later I get messages saying it won't go into gear. I later get contradicting messages saying it's just stiff. Now she is saying it's been to a garage and it's knackered, wants 2k worth of work. (Clutch and gearbox) I expect she has been driving it about just fine, and if she did go to a garage, she drove it there. No mention of transportation.
She has also tried it on referencing the service history, suggesting it has gaps in it, It probably does.
Legally, I think I can tell her to sling her hook. however, I'm not in the mood for any added stress in my life at the moment. I'm thinking about telling her to return the car and V5 (when it arrives in her name), ideally on the back of a transporter, at her cost, as apparently, "it's sooooo bad". And so long as the car isn't smashed up, I will give her money back.
Question 1 - Am I being silly by not telling her to foxtrot Oscar?
Question 2 - Will I open myself up to any litigation later down the line? E.g.. "he knew it was a broken car that's why he let me return it..." now he needs to pay my £2,000 transportation fees and an extra £10k for my mental anguish.
I sold a car last week, I stuck it on eBay starting at £1. It sold for a little over 4K and the winners collected it a week later. Now threatening disputes tribunal, whatever that is. This was a private sale.
I took it for an MOT during the auction, it passed with advisorys. Small chip/crack on the windscreen, an oil leak and a tyre worn. not too bad for a 12-year-old car. I presented it early for the MOT hoping to get more for it on the auction. I don't know if I did. It had over a year's MOT on it when it sold.
I also put a new battery on it before selling, the old one was showing its age in the recent cold weather.
I had the car serviced (oil and filters) before selling it (within a couple hundred miles)
I have not had any problems with the car
She took it for a test drive and was happy
She looked over the paperwork and was happy
She spent some time on the phone taking out what sounded like a third-party warrantee... this was the first of my spidey senses going off.
She asked for a receipt, I had forgotten about this so ran in and printed off a couple of templates from the AA. This includes the phrase "It is understood the vehicle is sold as seen, tried and approved by the purchaser."
2 hours later I get messages saying it won't go into gear. I later get contradicting messages saying it's just stiff. Now she is saying it's been to a garage and it's knackered, wants 2k worth of work. (Clutch and gearbox) I expect she has been driving it about just fine, and if she did go to a garage, she drove it there. No mention of transportation.
She has also tried it on referencing the service history, suggesting it has gaps in it, It probably does.
Legally, I think I can tell her to sling her hook. however, I'm not in the mood for any added stress in my life at the moment. I'm thinking about telling her to return the car and V5 (when it arrives in her name), ideally on the back of a transporter, at her cost, as apparently, "it's sooooo bad". And so long as the car isn't smashed up, I will give her money back.
Question 1 - Am I being silly by not telling her to foxtrot Oscar?
Question 2 - Will I open myself up to any litigation later down the line? E.g.. "he knew it was a broken car that's why he let me return it..." now he needs to pay my £2,000 transportation fees and an extra £10k for my mental anguish.
"Caveat emptor" is your only reply. If they persist, give them the ol' Arkell v Pressdram reference. Then stop communicating.
As long as the advert is honest and not misleading, you've got nothing to worry about. The more you communicate, the more chance you have of slipping up or letting them strong arm you.
As long as the advert is honest and not misleading, you've got nothing to worry about. The more you communicate, the more chance you have of slipping up or letting them strong arm you.
Seriously, tell her to do one. You have a signed receipt saying no warranty and tried and tested. It's a private sale, they have zero comeback.
If they start throwing word soup about like litigation, court, dispute resolution, don't acknowledge anything. Block their number and don't respond to anything.
They'll get bored and go away eventually. Just looking for a soft touch to give them some cash.
If they start throwing word soup about like litigation, court, dispute resolution, don't acknowledge anything. Block their number and don't respond to anything.
They'll get bored and go away eventually. Just looking for a soft touch to give them some cash.
If it was me, I would also tell her to do one. If you want some type of come back, you pay more and buy from a car dealer. If you go private, you take a chance.
I've explicitly said this to buyers when privately selling cars in the past.
This is just imo. Legally I'm not sure who has what rights if I'm honest.
I've explicitly said this to buyers when privately selling cars in the past.
This is just imo. Legally I'm not sure who has what rights if I'm honest.
Prizam said:
Question 1 - Am I being silly by not telling her to foxtrot Oscar?
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Yes..
What stress will you incur by telling her to FRO?
Block her number. If she turns up (unlikely) then don’t answer the door.
Pound to a penny says she won’t want to return the car - she’ll want cash back for the “repairs”
Normally worn clutches or gearboxes give some warning signs that might be detected on a test drive, often for thousands of miles fair warning before the tow truck.
If the vehicle was serviceable I doubt even a racing driver could trash the 'box or clutch within a couple of hours.
Traders buy at auction without test drives and take a risk, sometimes even buying unseen just from pics and paperwork. We all get stung sometimes.
Karen wants a trade deal but car supermarket convenience.
Tell her she is 'pi55ing in the wind'.
I'd guess the car is absolutely fine.
She's probably fronting for a dodgy trader.
What they are hoping for is you give them some cash back to be rid of the problem.
If you offer to go and look at it there will be some convoluted barrier to this.
You give them some money back, the car will be on ebay or AT in a few days.
You then get a mate to phone up about it and ask if any work has been done on it recently.
They won't say it's had a new clutch/gearbox.....
Put in into AskMID. If it doesn't show as insured, you're either dealing with a criminal or a trader. (yes there is a difference!)
She's probably fronting for a dodgy trader.
What they are hoping for is you give them some cash back to be rid of the problem.
If you offer to go and look at it there will be some convoluted barrier to this.
You give them some money back, the car will be on ebay or AT in a few days.
You then get a mate to phone up about it and ask if any work has been done on it recently.
They won't say it's had a new clutch/gearbox.....
Put in into AskMID. If it doesn't show as insured, you're either dealing with a criminal or a trader. (yes there is a difference!)
Dear Ms Scamming chancer
Thankyou for your message. You bought the car via a private sale. You test drove it and inspected it's history before deciding to buy. You had every opportunity to inspect and to ask any questions that you wanted to. Having decided to buy the car, you signed a receipt confirming that you understood that the car was sold as seen in a private sale with no warranty given or implied.
As such, I have no obligation to you whatsoever in respect of any defect that you claim has arisen since the sale. I will not be entering into any further correspondence with you.
Regards
Thankyou for your message. You bought the car via a private sale. You test drove it and inspected it's history before deciding to buy. You had every opportunity to inspect and to ask any questions that you wanted to. Having decided to buy the car, you signed a receipt confirming that you understood that the car was sold as seen in a private sale with no warranty given or implied.
As such, I have no obligation to you whatsoever in respect of any defect that you claim has arisen since the sale. I will not be entering into any further correspondence with you.
Regards
tight fart said:
You said,
“ She took it for a test drive and was happy
She looked over the paperwork and was happy
She spent some time on the phone taking out what sounded like a third-party warrantee”
Why doesn’t she claim on that?
Scam 100%
Yep, although, I cant imagine any warrantee company putting anything on a 12-year-old car. But that is at least what I thought I herd.“ She took it for a test drive and was happy
She looked over the paperwork and was happy
She spent some time on the phone taking out what sounded like a third-party warrantee”
Why doesn’t she claim on that?
Scam 100%
ClaphamGT3 said:
Dear Ms Scamming chancer
Thankyou for your message. You bought the car via a private sale. You test drove it and inspected it's history before deciding to buy. You had every opportunity to inspect and to ask any questions that you wanted to. Having decided to buy the car, you signed a receipt confirming that you understood that the car was sold as seen in a private sale with no warranty given or implied.
As such, I have no obligation to you whatsoever in respect of any defect that you claim has arisen since the sale. I will not be entering into any further correspondence with you.
Regards
The perfect answer. Then move on: you won’t hear any more from her.Thankyou for your message. You bought the car via a private sale. You test drove it and inspected it's history before deciding to buy. You had every opportunity to inspect and to ask any questions that you wanted to. Having decided to buy the car, you signed a receipt confirming that you understood that the car was sold as seen in a private sale with no warranty given or implied.
As such, I have no obligation to you whatsoever in respect of any defect that you claim has arisen since the sale. I will not be entering into any further correspondence with you.
Regards
Muzzer79 said:
Prizam said:
Question 1 - Am I being silly by not telling her to foxtrot Oscar?
.
Yes..
What stress will you incur by telling her to FRO?
Block her number. If she turns up (unlikely) then don’t answer the door.
Pound to a penny says she won’t want to return the car - she’ll want cash back for the “repairs”
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