RE: New Manhart MH3 Touring surpasses 850hp

RE: New Manhart MH3 Touring surpasses 850hp

Wednesday 27th November

New Manhart MH3 Touring surpasses 850hp

We always knew the M3's engine responded well to software upgrades - now there's hardware involved as well


PH has already driven a modified M3 Touring, in the form of Litchfield’s 700hp demonstrator, and enjoyed it very much indeed. When a car is so eminently capable of handling such a prodigious amount of horsepower - while retaining all the inherent appeal of the original - it’s hard not to be won over. Especially when it’s on some nice wheels. 

Now things get really serious, with Manhart’s latest BMW-based creation. The Black Beast (their name, not ours) is what happens when an M3 Touring gets a familiar ECU tickle for the twin-turbo 3.0-litre six as well as some serious hardware upgrades as well. Because anybody can get to 700hp from an S58, right? Now, thanks to forged pistons, forged conrods, a Wagner Tuning intercooler and a Remus exhaust, Manhart claims this is an 855hp M3. With 804lb ft as well. It’s enough to make a new M5 seem a bit puny, and more than 350hp over the standard version of a very fast car. 

Manhart says the gearbox has been upgraded to cope, and is now capable of handling up to 1,300Nm (or a whopping 959lb ft) if required. There’s even mention of additional oomph ‘for whom the power on offer is not yet sufficient’, so it doesn’t seem like Manhart is done yet. Even if 855hp ought to be enough for most. 

Additional tweaks for the MH3 800 include a smart carbon strut brace for a rigidity boost (not pictured yet), height-adjustable H&R springs and… well, that’s about it. Told you M3s were good at dealing with this power. The ceramic brakes are untouched, as are the standard dampers. Even big wheels aren’t drastically different to those offered by the factory, at 20-inch front and 21-inch rear. A smattering of carbon and champagne-coloured goodies complete the Manhart transformation. It says that five will be converted, and the car seen here is offered at €200k, or £167,000. Or about £100k more than the most affordable M3 Tourings currently out there. But then they might feel a tad slow by comparison.


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Orchardab

Original Poster:

488 posts

134 months

Tuesday 26th November
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That’s a fast potato carrier.

Tomatogti

376 posts

177 months

Tuesday 26th November
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As tuned cars go...I don't actually mind that!

BikeSausage

523 posts

76 months

Tuesday 26th November
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Nostrils aside, that’s not bad. You could probably have one without the stickers. Nice to see that style and colour of wheel in a tuned special.

Having said that, 850hp feels a tad excessive for the road.

gruppeb86

495 posts

21 months

Tuesday 26th November
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855bhp?! No child nor dog wants to be carted around in such machinery. Utterly pointless. Stupidity springs to mind.

Zenzz

87 posts

113 months

Tuesday 26th November
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I don't really understand the need for tuning the already ballistic M3, particularly in estate form anyway which tends to be bought for carrying dogs, kids and for runs to the dump rather than track days. If you haven't already tried a stock M3, try one. Plus they look better in standard OEM spec (imo), the warranty remains intact and depreciation will be far less.

Edited by Zenzz on Tuesday 26th November 23:29

cerb4.5lee

33,798 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th November
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gruppeb86 said:
855bhp?! No child nor dog wants to be carted around in such machinery. Utterly pointless. Stupidity springs to mind.
BMW were extremely late to the party in fairness(the RS4 has had this market sown up for me for decades). So I guess that we should just go easy on them in some ways?

They're just making up for the lost time I reckon.

JAMSXR

1,692 posts

55 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Zenzz said:
I don't really understand the need for tuning the already ballistic M3, particularly in estate form anyway which tends to be bought for carrying dogs, kids and for runs to the dump rather than track days. If you haven't already tried a stock M3, try one. Plus they look better in standard OEM spec (imo), the warranty remains intact and depreciation will be far less.

Edited by Zenzz on Tuesday 26th November 23:29
Totally agree.

Although I can’t wait for BMW to kick the G series design to the curb.


Jon_S_Rally

3,703 posts

96 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Stickers aside, I think that looks really good. I might prefer it with the same size wheels front and rear, but it looks decent overall, and is no doubt bonkers fast.

gruppeb86 said:
855bhp?! No child nor dog wants to be carted around in such machinery. Utterly pointless. Stupidity springs to mind.
You do realise you don't have to deploy the 855bhp all the time, don't you? If driven normally, I very much doubt a child or dog would even notice.

And of course it's pointless. The standard M3 is pointless. Anything beyond a base spec 320i is pointless. In fact, anything beyond a Dacia Sandero is pointless for post people, but that's not why people like cars, is it?

Alpenus

177 posts

38 months

Wednesday 27th November
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gruppeb86 said:
855bhp?! No child nor dog wants to be carted around in such machinery. Utterly pointless. Stupidity springs to mind.
This. So stupid it’s put me off my cornflakes, and don’t get me started on the need for clear glass, I’m not going to have a good day.

911Spanker

1,921 posts

24 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Alpenus said:
gruppeb86 said:
855bhp?! No child nor dog wants to be carted around in such machinery. Utterly pointless. Stupidity springs to mind.
This. So stupid it’s put me off my cornflakes, and don’t get me started on the need for clear glass, I’m not going to have a good day.
You are easily upset...

I think it's a great car. Good on them!

GreatScott2016

1,507 posts

96 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Zenzz said:
I don't really understand the need for tuning the already ballistic M3, particularly in estate form anyway which tends to be bought for carrying dogs, kids and for runs to the dump rather than track days. If you haven't already tried a stock M3, try one. Plus they look better in standard OEM spec (imo), the warranty remains intact and depreciation will be far less.

Edited by Zenzz on Tuesday 26th November 23:29
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Arsecati

2,506 posts

125 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Zenzz said:
I don't really understand the need for tuning the already ballistic M3, particularly in estate form anyway which tends to be bought for carrying dogs, kids and for runs to the dump rather than track days. If you haven't already tried a stock M3, try one. Plus they look better in standard OEM spec (imo), the warranty remains intact and depreciation will be far less.

Edited by Zenzz on Tuesday 26th November 23:29
I'm guessing you don't go to many track days: you'll find most of the vehicles towed there are tethered to estate cars (followed by vans - VERY few SUVs towing track toys to actual tracks!), where you'll find the extra space of an estate car coming in very handy being used to carry spare wheels/tyres/tools/parts/helmets/racewear/kettle/etc., etc. I also used my previous RS6's for more than just carrying my dogs (who incidentally were just as happy to stick their heads out the window at legal speeds, as they are now driving the same speeds of my 3 litre diesel A6 Avant). It is possible to drive these cars normally - but nice to also know you have it for the odd moments that warrant it.

cerb4.5lee

33,798 posts

188 months

Wednesday 27th November
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GreatScott2016 said:
Zenzz said:
I don't really understand the need for tuning the already ballistic M3, particularly in estate form anyway which tends to be bought for carrying dogs, kids and for runs to the dump rather than track days. If you haven't already tried a stock M3, try one. Plus they look better in standard OEM spec (imo), the warranty remains intact and depreciation will be far less.

Edited by Zenzz on Tuesday 26th November 23:29
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I think that 3.5 seconds to 60 as standard is quick enough too, but I blame those pesky performance EVs for this though, because you "need" around 850bhp to stand any chance against those nowadays I reckon. driving

Supersaloons

102 posts

133 months

Wednesday 27th November
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it reminded me of my childhood so I had to look it up and yep, I found it:


GreatScott2016

1,507 posts

96 months

Wednesday 27th November
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cerb4.5lee said:
GreatScott2016 said:
Zenzz said:
I don't really understand the need for tuning the already ballistic M3, particularly in estate form anyway which tends to be bought for carrying dogs, kids and for runs to the dump rather than track days. If you haven't already tried a stock M3, try one. Plus they look better in standard OEM spec (imo), the warranty remains intact and depreciation will be far less.

Edited by Zenzz on Tuesday 26th November 23:29
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I think that 3.5 seconds to 60 as standard is quick enough too, but I blame those pesky performance EVs for this though, because you "need" around 850bhp to stand any chance against those nowadays I reckon. driving
biglaughthumbup

DaveyBoyWonder

2,776 posts

182 months

Wednesday 27th November
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I want to hate that but I don't!

WPA

10,281 posts

122 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Lose the stickers and it would look better but surely nobody needs 850bhp in an M3

British Beef

2,379 posts

173 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Lotus JPS colours on an M3 estate...... I quite like it!!

As for 850 hp ...... for some people it is just knowing that it can, is why they have it, even if rarely deployed.

If I lived in a city, with a single parking spot, and liked lugging large things around, and occasional blats on track, then this (or a standard M3 Estate) could be the best "do it all car out there"? Mahart just turn it up to 11.


As a side, does anyone know it the M3 estate is large enough to accomodate a set of racing slicks in the back with seats down, so you could drive to track whip off road tyres and chuck on some slicks, and probably be just about the fastest thing on track.... again a nice alternative to separate track toys, with trailers and tow cars!

LotusOmega375D

8,145 posts

161 months

Wednesday 27th November
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Finally, a power output to match the grille.

J4CKO

42,944 posts

208 months

Wednesday 27th November
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I like the idea but think things have got a bit daft, a normal M3 is a very fast car, I see a green one locally who always likes a blast and it walks away from me pretty easily, adding another 300 bhp as well ?

I think we have spent so long demanding more and more power we have forgotten when to stop, also partly down to having to have the fastest and most powerful but that is just so many degrees of overkill.

I think when younger we just want more and more, as you age you still want plenty but realise you perhaps dont need 850 bhp, my car is light with 300 bhp and it pulls pretty hard, I can get myself in very hot water, very quickly but can give it all it has for a little bit. On the road I bet this would feel like having The Who's (ask you dad) PA system in your bedsit, and not being able to turn it up.

Sometimes less is more and just because you can, doesn't mean you should, still,, wouldn't mind a go in it to test my thinking.