US Airliner collides with Military Helicopter in Washington

[Brother D]

Well this isn't good...

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...


https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/sma...

[Digger]

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[hammo19]

Terrible accident. Very sad for all the families that have lost loved ones.

[Geneve]

Tragic ‘accident’ and circumstances - details and cause of which should quickly become evident.

However, this is being reported as the worst air accident in the U.S. for over a decade.

This is actually a remarkable record when looks at the sheer volume and intensity of flight movements in U.S. airspace - the air is thick with commercial, military, business, GA, and private movements.
Yes, smaller casualty accidents are still an occurrence, but the statistics will still support the safety record of air travel.

[LankyFreak]

Brother D said:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...

Woke is to blame.

[Brother D]

LankyFreak said:

Brother D said:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...

Woke is to blame.

Ha - I think we'll wait for the report to come out. This looks to have been a setup for failure way before DEI even became a thing - crazy having a heli route below the flight path and allowing VFR operations in that area at night.

[normalbloke]

Brother D said:

LankyFreak said:

Brother D said:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...

Woke is to blame.

Ha - I think we'll wait for the report to come out. This looks to have been a setup for failure way before DEI even became a thing - crazy having a heli route below the flight path and allowing VFR operations in that area at night.

You’d be surprised at some of the systems in place. Here’s us annoying Heathrow in a Jetranger trying to cross the airfield, in a previous life.

[Madness60]

Brother D said:

Ha - I think we'll wait for the report to come out. This looks to have been a setup for failure way before DEI even became a thing - crazy having a heli route below the flight path and allowing VFR operations in that area at night.

Best you do not fly in London ever then! Part of the London heli routes are directly under approach or departure lanes for Heathrow and its allowed at night under special VFR! And as the other poster shows you can cross Heathrow or even be asked to hold between the 2 runways!

[Brother D]

normalbloke said:

Brother D said:

LankyFreak said:

Brother D said:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...

Woke is to blame.

Ha - I think we'll wait for the report to come out. This looks to have been a setup for failure way before DEI even became a thing - crazy having a heli route below the flight path and allowing VFR operations in that area at night.

You’d be surprised at some of the systems in place. Here’s us annoying Heathrow in a Jetranger trying to cross the airfield, in a previous life.

Yeah I get transit over and across active runway (makes for some great pics)! but normally that's at decent seperation. This seems like heli route was under arrivals and the plane would be at or around 500ft AGL when over the heli route on it's descent? I'm sure someone has a copy of the plates for that airport that would show min heights for arrival.

[MarkwG]

Brother D said:

normalbloke said:

Brother D said:

LankyFreak said:

Brother D said:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...

Woke is to blame.

Ha - I think we'll wait for the report to come out. This looks to have been a setup for failure way before DEI even became a thing - crazy having a heli route below the flight path and allowing VFR operations in that area at night.

You’d be surprised at some of the systems in place. Here’s us annoying Heathrow in a Jetranger trying to cross the airfield, in a previous life.

Yeah I get transit over and across active runway (makes for some great pics)! but normally that's at decent separation. This seems like heli route was under arrivals and the plane would be at or around 500ft AGL when over the heli route on it's descent? I'm sure someone has a copy of the plates for that airport that would show min heights for arrival.

Part of the problem may be that the CRJ switched runways, which the Blackhawk crew may not have appreciated: hence possibly they were looking at the wrong aircraft, in the wrong direction. Also, the aircraft they hit would not appear to be moving relative to them, until too late to take evasive action. Trumps poison about DEI is wholly inappropriate, he may well have placed a target on the ATCOs back. I hope the FAA have a plan to protect him.

[Caruso]

A strange looking flight path for the helicopter towards the end

[Dbag101]

The NTSB are briefing everyone in a press conference as we speak. It’s going to be a hell of a job by the looks of it. They’ve set out their process, and it looks like they are already cracking on with it.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

It's ok trumps on the case it's because of diversity in the atc employing people with mental deficiency

There is no hope

[Brother D]

LankyFreak said:

Brother D said:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18847997860180541...

Woke is to blame.

TBF this is who the democrats put forward to run the FAA so you can see why people worry...

[MarkwG]

Caruso said:

A strange looking flight path for the helicopter towards the end

I wouldn't read too much into that, flying that low will mean it's interpreting from limited data points, I suspect.

[havoc]

MarkwG said:

Trumps poison about DEI is wholly inappropriate, he may well have placed a target on the ATCOs back. I hope the FAA have a plan to protect him.

Trump appears to be trying to foment civil war on his own. Or at least fk the US socially back to the dark ages. His pronouncements seem more and more childish and fked up with each passing day.

As for the FAA...in the new climate I suspect they'll be too busy trying to cover their own arses, and won't care if the ATCO or the Blackhawk PIC gets the blame as long as it's not them.

[Geneve]

MarkwG said:

I wouldn't read too much into that, flying that low will mean it's interpreting from limited data points, I suspect.

In addition to which, helicopters carrying out training exercises regularly make directional changes.

And, maintaining a course over water rather than built-up areas is kinder to local residents, especially at night.

It will be interesting to see whether the crew were using NVGs (night vision goggles) and whether this could have affected the clarity of the visual confirmations.

[MarkwG]

havoc said:

MarkwG said:

Trumps poison about DEI is wholly inappropriate, he may well have placed a target on the ATCOs back. I hope the FAA have a plan to protect him.

Trump appears to be trying to foment civil war on his own. Or at least fk the US socially back to the dark ages. His pronouncements seem more and more childish and fked up with each passing day.

As for the FAA...in the new climate I suspect they'll be too busy trying to cover their own arses, and won't care if the ATCO or the Blackhawk PIC gets the blame as long as it's not them.

I hope so: after the Lake Constanz disaster, the authorities there didn't really have a plan, & it ended tragically: I'm led to believe the FAA did learn from that.

[Simpo Two]

havoc said:

MarkwG said:

Trumps poison about DEI is wholly inappropriate, he may well have placed a target on the ATCOs back. I hope the FAA have a plan to protect him.

Trump appears to be trying to foment civil war on his own. Or at least fk the US socially back to the dark ages. His pronouncements seem more and more childish and fked up with each passing day.

As for the FAA...in the new climate I suspect they'll be too busy trying to cover their own arses, and won't care if the ATCO or the Blackhawk PIC gets the blame as long as it's not them.

Well, if the ATCO was employed because he was black/brown/yellow/gay/lesbian/BLTQA+ rather than because they were actually the best applicant, Trump's right. We don't know that specifically but overall it's a daft way to hire crucial people. It's not the employee's fault, it's the person/system who hired them because they were hired for the wrong reasons.

[-Cappo-]

Simpo Two said:

Well, if the ATCO was employed because he was black/brown/yellow/gay/lesbian/BLTQA+ rather than because they were actually the best applicant, Trump's right. We don't know that specifically but overall it's a daft way to hire crucial people. It's not the employee's fault, it's the person/system who hired them because they were hired for the wrong reasons.

It's a bit of a fking stretch for that goon in the WH to come out with a statement like that when the vast majority of what's currently known is simply that two aircraft collided and lots of people died.

Edited by -Cappo- on Thursday 30th January 23:27