Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained

Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained

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V8RX7

17,983 posts

207 months

Wednesday 17th April
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R0G said:
You forgot to ask them about C&U reg 100

and how insurers view towing over the manufacturers max listed tow capacity

GTW is only one aspect of the towing laws
As mentioned above - it's irrelevant.

I don't see how they can comment on insurers views

All I and the majority care about is whether we will be fined if stopped - the clear answer is "no"

It is also in line with the advice I was given many years ago by VOSA.

I'm happy to pass his direct email address to you if you wish to pursue it further.

R0G

Original Poster:

4,755 posts

99 months

Thursday 18th April
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Not irrelevant if you have an incident and the insurer voids the cover because the driver has exceeded what the vehicle was designed to do safely and exceeding safety brings it into C&U reg 100

You do not have to take my word for this - simply as the various authorities such as trafpol, DVSA, DVLA & the insurance bureau

As with anything - it is the choice of the driver what they do as long as they are prepared to accept any consequences


Mudfing

4 posts

10 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Hi all

I've read almost all this thread and I think I'm clear on the various rules. But just making sure before I actually start towing.

I have a B license obtained in 2007 and a small trailer with a Gross weight of 1300kg.

I want to tow the braked trailer with a Gross Weight of 1300kg with a Vauxhall combo van with a MAM of 2040kg - So the total combined MAM is 3340kg so I'm legally ok?

The only issue is the van's VIN plate states a max gross train weight of 3040kg and the V5 shows a max towing weight (braked) of 1000kg.

So while I have no intention of every towing anything other than my quad bike/mower (total weight of trailer 300kg and quad/mower 400kg = 700kg) does the fact my trailer has a gross weight higher than the 1000kg braked limit on my v5/vin mean I am now not legal - or would these be advisory? - provided I'm under the 3500kg total MAM I'm ok?

I have no intention of ever towing an actual weight higher than 700-800kg.

Thanks, any advice appreciated! smile

youngricharduk

143 posts

29 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Mudfing said:
Hi all

I've read almost all this thread and I think I'm clear on the various rules. But just making sure before I actually start towing.

I have a B license obtained in 2007 and a small trailer with a Gross weight of 1300kg.

I want to tow the braked trailer with a Gross Weight of 1300kg with a Vauxhall combo van with a MAM of 2040kg - So the total combined MAM is 3340kg so I'm legally ok?

The only issue is the van's VIN plate states a max gross train weight of 3040kg and the V5 shows a max towing weight (braked) of 1000kg.

So while I have no intention of every towing anything other than my quad bike/mower (total weight of trailer 300kg and quad/mower 400kg = 700kg) does the fact my trailer has a gross weight higher than the 1000kg braked limit on my v5/vin mean I am now not legal - or would these be advisory? - provided I'm under the 3500kg total MAM I'm ok?

I have no intention of ever towing an actual weight higher than 700-800kg.

Thanks, any advice appreciated! smile
As far as only holding B licence entitlement you're definitely within the law on that side, when it comes to the maximum towing weight of your van it's done on actual weights as opposed to gross potential weights so you're ok on that side aswell.

R0G

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4,755 posts

99 months

Wednesday 15th May
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There is no law or rule which states that the plated weight of a trailer must be within the towing capacity of a vehicle

Anyone who says different needs to prove such by putting a link to such a law = never going to happen!

fastbikes76

1,577 posts

66 months

Sunday 21st July
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Question for the more knowledgeable on this subject,


My tow car Kerb is 2311 and the GVW is 2945kgs.

The Caravan I want is 875kgs Kerb with a MTPLM of 1122kgs.


I understand that takes me over the 3500kg limit of the B licence , but in reality I seriously doubt I will be lugging over 300kg's of additional luggage with me. If the total combined weight of the car, 'van and all contents are under the 3500kg limit, will I be ok or will they base it purely on the potential to carry more weight as the total GVW and MTPLM is 4067kgs?

Regards
Fb

R0G

Original Poster:

4,755 posts

99 months

Monday 22nd July
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fastbikes76 said:
Question for the more knowledgeable on this subject,


My tow car Kerb is 2311 and the GVW is 2945kgs.

The Caravan I want is 875kgs Kerb with a MTPLM of 1122kgs.


I understand that takes me over the 3500kg limit of the B licence , but in reality I seriously doubt I will be lugging over 300kg's of additional luggage with me. If the total combined weight of the car, 'van and all contents are under the 3500kg limit, will I be ok or will they base it purely on the potential to carry more weight as the total GVW and MTPLM is 4067kgs?

Regards
Fb
Licencing goes on the plated weights so at 4067kgs you are well over the 3500 limit for B licence towing

fastbikes76

1,577 posts

66 months

Monday 22nd July
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R0G said:
Licencing goes on the plated weights so at 4067kgs you are well over the 3500 limit for B licence towing
As I thought.. damn, trailer test for me it is before we take the ‘van on it’s first outing.
Thank you for confirming.

Fb

Slashmb

386 posts

201 months

Monday 12th August
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I have a scenario that a friend of mine needs clarifying.

He has bought a new car and now wants a caravan but I think the caravan he has chosen is too heavy for the car.

Audi A5 Sportback Black Edition

Unladen weight 1515kg

Gross weight limit 2120kg

Nose limit 80kg

Trailer weight limit 1900kg or 1700kg at 12% gradient

Caravan is a Swift Sprite Super Quattro FB

MIRO 1486kg

MTPLM 1711kg

Driver has grandfather rights on his license so no issues there.

My concern is the potential for an empty car and a full caravan giving 115% towing weight relationship between car and caravan. I understand this is unlikely since the car would have his family in it too plus all of their gear in the boot. He has towed before but never a caravan.

All he wants to know is if it’s legal. I want to know if it’s safe!

V8RX7

17,983 posts

207 months

Monday 12th August
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Slashmb said:
I have a scenario that a friend of mine needs clarifying.

He has bought a new car and now wants a caravan but I think the caravan he has chosen is too heavy for the car.

Audi A5 Sportback Black Edition

Unladen weight 1515kg

Gross weight limit 2120kg

Nose limit 80kg

Trailer weight limit 1900kg or 1700kg at 12% gradient

Caravan is a Swift Sprite Super Quattro FB

MIRO 1486kg

MTPLM 1711kg

Driver has grandfather rights on his license so no issues there.

My concern is the potential for an empty car and a full caravan giving 115% towing weight relationship between car and caravan. I understand this is unlikely since the car would have his family in it too plus all of their gear in the boot. He has towed before but never a caravan.

All he wants to know is if it’s legal. I want to know if it’s safe!
Trailer weight limit 1900kg or 1700kg at 12% gradient

Caravan MTPLM 1711kg

^^^That is all that matters - it's fine

An 1800kg Land Rover is allowed to tow 3500kg



R0G

Original Poster:

4,755 posts

99 months

Tuesday 13th August
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I agree - its ok