Where to report an obviously clocked car that's for sale?

Where to report an obviously clocked car that's for sale?

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SpeedIsProgress

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232 posts

202 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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I went to look at an M3 today, allegedly it only had 60k miles on the clock but it very clearly had closer to 160k. I struggle to believe a car that had spent 60k miles on a track to be as much of a mess.

Is there somewhere you can report this sort of thing, I'd desperately like the authorities to take the car off sale before someone is badly ripped off.

The diff sounded like it was about to fall off, I've never encountered a gear box as beaten. I'd booked a test drive and then car had been runnimg to warm the engine up for my arrival, the heater was on and fan on full, presumably to draw water through.

Oddly as well it was plated as '04 but had a build date of August '02... is that normal?!

Andehh

7,132 posts

209 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Was it trade or private?

Deisel Weisel

2,573 posts

187 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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I’d like to know too, having found quite a few clocked Pumas (or around the clock, on the old 5 digit mileometers). The latest is a guy who’s refusing to give me the V5 doc ref number, because he was told it was unwise to.

If a potential buyer wants to check mileage, you can here: https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle

northandy

3,497 posts

224 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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I guess unless you can prove it has been clocked the police wouldnt be interested.

If it was a dealer you coud try trading standards.

If it has been clicked surely the mot check online would be throwing up a mileage discrepancy.

I have seen cars with 50,000 miles that checked out as ok, but looked like they had been inthe paris dakar rally, some people just dont look after cars.

CoolHands

18,973 posts

198 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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forgetaboutit

SpeedIsProgress

Original Poster:

232 posts

202 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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It was trade. If it was private I'd definitely be more caveat emptor but these guys were professional and should be screwing people over like they're clearly planning on doing.

carinaman

21,459 posts

175 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Deisel Weisel said:
I’d like to know too, having found quite a few clocked Pumas (or around the clock, on the old 5 digit mileometers). The latest is a guy who’s refusing to give me the V5 doc ref number, because he was told it was unwise to.

If a potential buyer wants to check mileage, you can here: https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
In the summer I was interested sale on eBay. The vendor gave me the V5C on the 5th time of asking. He used that excuse saying he'd been defrauded of some huge sum a car, and later on that he was out and away from the computer after I pointed out that the V5C and MoT certificate reference numbers were visible in one of the photos.

Once I got the V5C ref. and could check the MoT history and it showed some mention of rust and then a subsequent advisory mentioning that underseal had been thickly applied everywhere. It got bid too high and I was happy that someone else got it.

Let someone else buy it. It's a govt. facilitated scheme, I am not sure what use a V5C ref. is to someone intent on criminal activity.

k99

544 posts

171 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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You need to report to the local Trading Standards.

Porkupine

1,709 posts

168 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Issue is you have no proof of clocking. It is just your opinion. And as has already been mentioned on this thread some people don't look after cara the way you might do. Also it could perhaps have been used extensively on track. And track miles could have caused what you have seen.

Mojooo

12,868 posts

183 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Trading Standards are the correct dept to report it to - example - http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10001090.Jailed_ca...

But you might find they dont have the resources to deal with it.

Also they can prosecute for misleading advertising/description but they cannot stop the person selling it.


northandy

3,497 posts

224 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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I had a neighbour years back who couldnt sell his e36 318is it had 130k on it, full service history, was immaculate, i happened to be car hunting and had been buying the paper copy auto traders, lo and behold there was a gap of an issue and there it was advertised now with 50k with no service history, sold immediately.

The point was that car easily passed for 50k, i could have challenged him, but he was a lot bigger than me, and i wasnt a goatee wearing company director.

shalmaneser

5,964 posts

198 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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http://www.hiltopmotors.com/used-cars/bmw-m3-m3-2d...

Went to see a car myself today. Obviously completely unconnected to the car above. Was a fking wreck, surprised it managed to drag itself out of the garage tbh.

Either way would be interested to know how to report clocked cars.

SMcP114

2,916 posts

195 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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SpeedIsProgress said:
It was trade. If it was private I'd definitely be more caveat emptor but these guys were professional and should be screwing people over like they're clearly planning on doing.
So, you have no proof there is anything wrong with the car, or that it's been clocked, other than you personally think it might be, and you want to report it?

How do you expect this to go?

Don't buy it, and don't lose any sleep over it.

Mojooo

12,868 posts

183 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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SMcP114 said:
So, you have no proof there is anything wrong with the car, or that it's been clocked, other than you personally think it might be, and you want to report it?

How do you expect this to go?

Don't buy it, and don't lose any sleep over it.
If a lot of complaints have been recieved about the business for looking dodgy then that might lead to further action. Its only a hunch but that doesnt mean its wrong.

But as you suggest - if its the ONLY complaint then nothing will probably happen.

slippery

14,093 posts

242 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Why is it obviously clocked OP? I was expecting this to be a thread based on you knowing the history of a particular car etc. I doubt TS would even bother wasting tax payers' money looking into it.

lbc

3,231 posts

220 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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SpeedIsProgress said:
The diff sounded like it was about to fall off, I've never encountered a gear box as beaten. I'd booked a test drive and then car had been runnimg to warm the engine up for my arrival, the heater was on and fan on full, presumably to draw water through.
So you have no evidence at all that the car has been clocked.

Poorly maintained maybe, but clocked, no.

Countdown

40,562 posts

199 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Put my Accord through its MOT yesterday. I noticed that they put the mileages recorded at each of the last 5 MOT tests on the latest certificate. Sounds like an excellent way of cracking down on clocking thumbup

SpeedIsProgress

Original Poster:

232 posts

202 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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SMcP114 said:
So, you have no proof there is anything wrong with the car, or that it's been clocked, other than you personally think it might be, and you want to report it?

How do you expect this to go?

Don't buy it, and don't lose any sleep over it.
Granted I have no genuine proof, perhaps he went rallying in it and it is legit; just seems too unlikely.

Based on some of the responses I'll probably send Trading Standards an email, if everyone were to turn a blind eye they'd never build up a reason to investigate the place and they'll get away with it for years.... bit like (albeit in a far more horrific way) 'old Jimmy' did.

shalmaneser

5,964 posts

198 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Why the brackets? Being sexually abused is free, buying a clocked car costs money.

classicaholic

1,783 posts

73 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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I know this is an old thread but I really would like a link to report a clocked car.
My old car seems to have just had an MoT at 54k, now I know I did 125k in the same car so that’s some haircut!