29 Points-no ban!

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munroman

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1,618 posts

132 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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It's simple, drive with dodgy tyres, speed, don't bother with Insurance, just say you will lose your job.

Perhaps it is easy to become cynical about the application of the Law being carried out equally across all sections of Society.

Takeaway driver Ala Udin not banned with 29 penalty points
Speed cameras (file pic)
Ala Udin admitted speeding, among other motoring offences

A takeaway driver with 29 penalty points on his licence is still allowed to drive, a court has ruled.

Ala Udin, 44, admitted a string of motoring offences before magistrates in Aberystwyth last week.

He had 11 points on his licence, and was handed another 18 after admitting driving with a defective tyre, speeding and two counts of having no insurance.

However, magistrates did not disqualify him after Udin said he would lose his job and make his family homeless.

He told the court his family would not be able to meet mortgage payments if he lost his job.

'Mitigating circumstances'
A court spokeswoman said: "At a hearing on January 16 in Aberystwyth Justice Centre, Ala Udin admitted a string of driving offences in which he was given 18 penalty points.

"No disqualification order was made following mitigating circumstances."

Udin, of Ffos-y-ffin, was also ordered to pay £616 in fines and costs.

The points will stay on his licence for three years.

According to recent DVLA figures, only five people in Britain have been allowed to keep their licence with 30 points.

One driver is on 31 points, while two others are on 34 and 36.

One motorist from the Liverpool area, was allowed to continue driving with 45 points.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-25849...

davamer23

1,079 posts

102 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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If driving for his job to support his family is so important to him then he'd do it a bit better.

Vipers

28,059 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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So Ala Udin can carry on driving as he likes knowing he will not lose his license, bloody joke.

Was he fined?




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redstu

2,287 posts

187 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Won't he still be driving with no insurance as would anyone be willing to take him on and if they did the premium must surely be into 5 figures?
Anyone got some time to play on go compare?

Starfighter

2,872 posts

126 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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He went to court with 11 points and used the "exceptional hardship" rules to avoid the ban. He is perfectly entitled to do this - ONCE.

What pisses me off is when drivers use the rules over and over again and the bench allow it.

Yes, on 11 points he should be the very model of motoring.

Steffan

10,362 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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There is a driver about the UK currently with 45 points on his licence. Magistrates hesitate to ban except in immediate ban cases like DD. Very hegh speeding 110+ could result in a ban but the job blackmail does deter magistrates. TBH I am surprised that with two driving without insurance charges on the same sheet the take away driver is still driving. The administration of Justice is imperfect.

Cat

2,337 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Starfighter said:
He went to court with 11 points and used the "exceptional hardship" rules to avoid the ban. He is perfectly entitled to do this - ONCE.
An exceptional hardship case can be made more than once. What you cannot do is rely on the same set of circumstances more than once in a 3 year period.

Cat

redstu

2,287 posts

187 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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So in cases like this do they actually check income and outgoings, ie ask for bank statements?
And will the police now follow him around as the chances of re offending seem pretty high as he is clearly st at driving, or just give up as it's a waste of their time?


Edited by redstu on Wednesday 22 January 21:42

Steffan

10,362 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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redstu said:
So in cases like this do they actually check income and outgoings, ie ask for bank statements?
And will the police now follow him around as the chances of re offending seem pretty high as he is clearly st at driving, or just give up as it's a waste of their time?


Edited by redstu on Wednesday 22 January 21:42
I doubt the Police will give up. If he reoffends then I think he is off the road, I wonder if the anticipated housing difficulty would arise? The miscreant must have convinced the magistrates of his circumstances. I rather doubt if any actual checks were made by the Court. Lying to the court is regarded very severely. I would expect the story to be substantially true but very well presented.

creampuff

6,471 posts

91 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Good luck getting insurance with 29 points!

HD Adam

4,398 posts

132 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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creampuff said:
Good luck getting insurance with 29 points!
Do you think that will really be a concern of his with his driving record?

XCP

14,412 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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I wondered what had happened to my chicken madras and pilau rice!

Steffan

10,362 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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HD Adam said:
creampuff said:
Good luck getting insurance with 29 points!
Do you think that will really be a concern of his with his driving record?
I am bound to agree. Not having insurance is the preferred option of a few.

dacouch

1,153 posts

77 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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The guy has 29 points of which he has two no insurance convictions but can keep his licence as he needs to pay his mortgage.

His car insurance premiums will now be up there with his mortgage payments.

I'm off to buy some shares in Tradex

Aretnap

1,247 posts

99 months

Thursday 23rd January 2014
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redstu said:
Won't he still be driving with no insurance as would anyone be willing to take him on and if they did the premium must surely be into 5 figures? Anyone got some time to play on go compare?
I put (something like) my own details in with a 10 year old Focus, TPFT, no NCD, and 28 points including 3 IN10s and my cheapest premium was... £955. That's annually, not monthly. Plenty of companies would be willing to insure me for £1200-£1400.

Doubtless being a delivery driver would push his up, and his postcode may make a difference too, but I wouldn't take it for granted that his insurance will be completely unaffordable.

redstu

2,287 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd January 2014
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that seems very low, Maybe they don't get many drivers that bad so can't assess the risk :-)
What did it come to with a clean licence?

patmahe

5,270 posts

152 months

Thursday 23rd January 2014
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Steffan said:
There is a driver about the UK currently with 45 points on his licence. Magistrates hesitate to ban except in immediate ban cases like DD. Very hegh speeding 110+ could result in a ban but the job blackmail does deter magistrates. TBH I am surprised that with two driving without insurance charges on the same sheet the take away driver is still driving. The administration of Justice is imperfect.
How does anyone with 45 points get insurance, must cost more than the car. I think a 3 strikes system should be brought in for exceptional cases like these. Got disqualified once? maybe you were unlucky, twice, thats a bit careless have a hefty fine and a stern final warning, thrice, long term ban and tough about the job etc... further offences should result in bigger fines and jail terms until the message gets through.

Aretnap

1,247 posts

99 months

Thursday 23rd January 2014
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redstu said:
^
that seems very low, Maybe they don't get many drivers that bad so can't assess the risk :-)
What did it come to with a clean licence?
Lowest quote for otherwise identical details with a clean licence was £389. That was higher than I expected - it's twice what I actually pay for a bigger engined car - so I wonder if I triggered some anti-fraud systems by deleting a load of convictions from the quote, and got an inflated figure as a result.

Maybe they give up counting after a certain number of convictions. Or maybe people with a squillion points are actually surprisingly safe drivers - I guess they have a strong incentive to drive like nuns.

His insurance would be cheaper still if he has any no claims bonus - which would be possible if the IN10s were for having a policy which didn't cover him for making takeaway deliveries rather than having no policy at all.

aw51 121565

4,770 posts

181 months

Friday 24th January 2014
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I posted elsewhere (on here?) that figures on the back of a fag packet indicate that 0.024% of motorists are still driving with 12 points or over. This is one in 4167 (approx) drivers? Or around 7139 out of 30 million (from memory redface ) .

It seems that the mags are getting it approximately right in so few drivers managing to avoid totting up... The mags, after all, are hard to convince. Read "the magistrate's blog" for some insight into this wink .

Damn propoganda about all these "over 12 points and still driving" drivers rofl .