The End of a Stolen Golf R story
Discussion
Mojooo said:
janesmith1950 said:
My car was stolen end of last year. Broke into the kitchen at 7pm about 5 mins after we'd finished feeding the kids in there.
Car not recovered.
If they catch the persons who did it, what do I want? I don't see the point in putting them in prison. They're just footsoldiers for a larger criminal enterprise. Giving them a few weeks or months in prison won't change their lives when they come out. They won't be better people or less likely to reoffend.
I'd like them to be listened to and their lives assessed to understand why it was worth stealing a car rather than something slightly less illegal.
Then I'd like the state to spend the equivalent jail money training that person on the job as in either private or public organisations, giving them employable skills.
There are push and pull factors at work in crime. The strength of need to take the risk in the first place. The level of the risk. The height of the punishment if the risk is realised.
With comparatively very few police officers able to police car theft, the risks of getting caught are very low and the punishment is, in the grand scheme of things, irrelevant.
We should out more resources into policing these types of crime, and then try to recycle low-level crims by educating them when they're caught. That way, instead of just pausing the cycle, you're actively trying to divert it.
It won't bring a car back, but it will make society better.
I think you are being naive. I've read various stories from reformed drug dealers (and met some in person) and most of them say eventually they got fed up from prison which is why they reformed.Car not recovered.
If they catch the persons who did it, what do I want? I don't see the point in putting them in prison. They're just footsoldiers for a larger criminal enterprise. Giving them a few weeks or months in prison won't change their lives when they come out. They won't be better people or less likely to reoffend.
I'd like them to be listened to and their lives assessed to understand why it was worth stealing a car rather than something slightly less illegal.
Then I'd like the state to spend the equivalent jail money training that person on the job as in either private or public organisations, giving them employable skills.
There are push and pull factors at work in crime. The strength of need to take the risk in the first place. The level of the risk. The height of the punishment if the risk is realised.
With comparatively very few police officers able to police car theft, the risks of getting caught are very low and the punishment is, in the grand scheme of things, irrelevant.
We should out more resources into policing these types of crime, and then try to recycle low-level crims by educating them when they're caught. That way, instead of just pausing the cycle, you're actively trying to divert it.
It won't bring a car back, but it will make society better.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for reform and education etc but to think a lot of these scrotes will just change like that is naive IMO.
You need to ask the ones that haven't reformed why they haven't, not the (few) ones that have reformed why they have.
Pica-Pica said:
Really? Locking him up will cost a helluva lot more to tax-payers. 12 months suspended sentence is no holiday, nor 150 hours unpaid community service, which will probably have to be completed by a certain date.
Sorry if this has already been covered but if you get a sentence like this what does your life look like for that 12months and 150hrs. I can grasp jail time, as that's what it says on the tin, when you hear this suspended sentence, community service lark it just sounds like they effectively got away with it.
janesmith1950 said:
My car was stolen end of last year. Broke into the kitchen at 7pm about 5 mins after we'd finished feeding the kids in there.
Car not recovered.
If they catch the persons who did it, what do I want? I don't see the point in putting them in prison. They're just footsoldiers for a larger criminal enterprise. Giving them a few weeks or months in prison won't change their lives when they come out. They won't be better people or less likely to reoffend.
I'd like them to be listened to and their lives assessed to understand why it was worth stealing a car rather than something slightly less illegal.
Then I'd like the state to spend the equivalent jail money training that person on the job as in either private or public organisations, giving them employable skills.
There are push and pull factors at work in crime. The strength of need to take the risk in the first place. The level of the risk. The height of the punishment if the risk is realised.
With comparatively very few police officers able to police car theft, the risks of getting caught are very low and the punishment is, in the grand scheme of things, irrelevant.
We should out more resources into policing these types of crime, and then try to recycle low-level crims by educating them when they're caught. That way, instead of just pausing the cycle, you're actively trying to divert it.
It won't bring a car back, but it will make society better.
Nice idea... Flawed but nice.Car not recovered.
If they catch the persons who did it, what do I want? I don't see the point in putting them in prison. They're just footsoldiers for a larger criminal enterprise. Giving them a few weeks or months in prison won't change their lives when they come out. They won't be better people or less likely to reoffend.
I'd like them to be listened to and their lives assessed to understand why it was worth stealing a car rather than something slightly less illegal.
Then I'd like the state to spend the equivalent jail money training that person on the job as in either private or public organisations, giving them employable skills.
There are push and pull factors at work in crime. The strength of need to take the risk in the first place. The level of the risk. The height of the punishment if the risk is realised.
With comparatively very few police officers able to police car theft, the risks of getting caught are very low and the punishment is, in the grand scheme of things, irrelevant.
We should out more resources into policing these types of crime, and then try to recycle low-level crims by educating them when they're caught. That way, instead of just pausing the cycle, you're actively trying to divert it.
It won't bring a car back, but it will make society better.
I will quote directly from a criminal,
Your a f
king mug, I earn a day what you earn a month...They see bird as a hazard of the job and an opportunity to network.
Pjhuk33 said:
Nice idea... Flawed but nice.
I will quote directly from a criminal,
Your a fking mug, I earn a day what you earn a month...
They see bird as a hazard of the job and an opportunity to network.
I've spent time inside, I know what pretty criminals think of prison. Hence why I know you don't gain anything by giving them 'networking opportunities'.I will quote directly from a criminal,
Your a f
king mug, I earn a day what you earn a month...They see bird as a hazard of the job and an opportunity to network.
Most that I spoke to inside saw prison as an occupational hazard, as you say, however they almost universally said they felt unemployable (poor literacy and numeracy, poor employment record, criminal record, drug addiction, low self esteem, belief society doesn't care). Three months in prison doesn't even begin to address any of the issues that keeps them hooked on criminality.
No, they're not 'nice' people or promising young footballers, but they are 'our' problem, whether we like it or not.
Our current system addresses nothing. It doesn't deter crime, it doesn't keep criminals out of action for very long and it doesn't equip convicted offenders with the tools to leave criminality. Quite why anyone would expect it to work is beyond me.
People who simply say 'lock them up' are naïve to the issues and simply don't want to think about it. This means their tax money is simply used again and again to fund a system that perpetuates crime and criminals.
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