E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
Foss62 said:
I’ve often wondered about the points side of it. A lot of younger people in London don’t actually have driving licences, and other scooterists might be too young anyway. Can it really be correct that someone gets a much harsher punishment simply because they have a driving licence?
You can have points without a driving licence. But obviously it's less of an issue. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/nearly...
Graveworm said:
Yep
Conclusion of the second
Discussions regarding the appropriateness of bicycle helmet legislation are complex and
multifaceted. No single study or review can completely support or detract the introduction of
such laws. However, with regards to the hypothesis BHL deters cycling, this systematic
review failed to identify convincing and consistent evidence to support the hypothesis helmet
legislation reduces cycling.
Yeah, saw that - but didn't see what supports that conclusion, they seem to drop a bunch of other studies in and then say "and on balance we're right".Conclusion of the second
Discussions regarding the appropriateness of bicycle helmet legislation are complex and
multifaceted. No single study or review can completely support or detract the introduction of
such laws. However, with regards to the hypothesis BHL deters cycling, this systematic
review failed to identify convincing and consistent evidence to support the hypothesis helmet
legislation reduces cycling.
Seems to be that they set out with a conclusion in mind and wrote to that goal.
Dammit said:
Graveworm said:
Yep
Conclusion of the second
Discussions regarding the appropriateness of bicycle helmet legislation are complex and
multifaceted. No single study or review can completely support or detract the introduction of
such laws. However, with regards to the hypothesis BHL deters cycling, this systematic
review failed to identify convincing and consistent evidence to support the hypothesis helmet
legislation reduces cycling.
Yeah, saw that - but didn't see what supports that conclusion, they seem to drop a bunch of other studies in and then say "and on balance we're right".Conclusion of the second
Discussions regarding the appropriateness of bicycle helmet legislation are complex and
multifaceted. No single study or review can completely support or detract the introduction of
such laws. However, with regards to the hypothesis BHL deters cycling, this systematic
review failed to identify convincing and consistent evidence to support the hypothesis helmet
legislation reduces cycling.
Seems to be that they set out with a conclusion in mind and wrote to that goal.
Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 29th January 22:30
Richtea1970 said:
How will these little scooter wheels deal with our pot-holed roads?
I think they should be legalised but still struggle to see where they could be safely ridden as not allowed on pathways and would be too dangerous on the roads surely?
They are a brilliant idea in theory but unfortunately you've hit the nail on the head. The small wheels really do not cope with potholes, the brakes are often almost useless and they would fail the equivalent of the elk test. The first point makes them potentially lethal on the roads, but they aren't suited for co-existence with pedestrians either. I think they should be legalised but still struggle to see where they could be safely ridden as not allowed on pathways and would be too dangerous on the roads surely?
I'm speaking as someone who has tried them out... I'd love to burn around town on one but they really are not safe.
Been riding my home made electric skateboard for a few years. Mostly on the roads round smooth tarmac new developments. Little to no traffic.
Also ridden on the pavement to town a few times.
Great fun.
I had a big off last year and bloody hurt myself. The only day I ever wore a helmet, and it took a knock!
I'll never be on the side of forcing helmets on bikes and scooters, its your own risk and I believe in choice, but I have to say I won't board without one now.
Also ridden on the pavement to town a few times.
Great fun.
I had a big off last year and bloody hurt myself. The only day I ever wore a helmet, and it took a knock!
I'll never be on the side of forcing helmets on bikes and scooters, its your own risk and I believe in choice, but I have to say I won't board without one now.
As I said earlier, I have one and it’s excellent, however anyone who uses any form of wheeled contraption (except cars etc) to have fun/commute, without a helmet is a idiot.
It’s quite rare in Scotland to see, have only seen 2 others, you get some looks.
I also thing they should be kept to cycle lanes or parks etc, no main roads, far too dodgy.
It’s quite rare in Scotland to see, have only seen 2 others, you get some looks.
I also thing they should be kept to cycle lanes or parks etc, no main roads, far too dodgy.
bluenosewrx said:
As I said earlier, I have one and it’s excellent, however anyone who uses any form of wheeled contraption (except cars etc) to have fun/commute, without a helmet is a idiot.
It’s quite rare in Scotland to see, have only seen 2 others, you get some looks.
I also thing they should be kept to cycle lanes or parks etc, no main roads, far too dodgy.
Bit strong. Its personal choice. Personal risk evaluation. I've cycled without helmet since being a kid. Made it to 50 so far. Are you calling me an idiot ? It’s quite rare in Scotland to see, have only seen 2 others, you get some looks.
I also thing they should be kept to cycle lanes or parks etc, no main roads, far too dodgy.
Sweeping judgemental / opinion based comments like yours are more idiotic tbh.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th January 08:35
RogerDodger said:
I had a big off last year and bloody hurt myself. The only day I ever wore a helmet, and it took a knock!
Sounds like maybe you should avoid wearing a helmet!
Is there a mandated speed limit on four-wheeled mobility scooters? They generally seem to go only slightly faster than walking pace, which seems sensible for pedestrian areas like the pavement and town centres.
SamR380 said:
Is there a mandated speed limit on four-wheeled mobility scooters? They generally seem to go only slightly faster than walking pace, which seems sensible for pedestrian areas like the pavement and town centres.
The in laws ones will do 12mph but they rarely run them at max speed mainly because they aren’t that comfortable flat out on some paths and also a lot of the time they are likely to run someone not paying attention over 
SamR380 said:
Sounds like maybe you should avoid wearing a helmet!
Is there a mandated speed limit on four-wheeled mobility scooters? They generally seem to go only slightly faster than walking pace, which seems sensible for pedestrian areas like the pavement and town centres.
4MPH pavement and pedestrian areas. They have a switch to increase max to 8 MPH on the road (Class 3 only allowed on roads) Basically same as a Honda Jazz Is there a mandated speed limit on four-wheeled mobility scooters? They generally seem to go only slightly faster than walking pace, which seems sensible for pedestrian areas like the pavement and town centres.
Personally I think its stupid that they can't use bus or cycle lanes (Not Jazz) . Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th January 08:52
Graveworm said:
4MPH pavement and pedestrian areas. They have a switch to increase max to 8 MPH on the road (Class 3 only allowed on roads) Personally I think its stupid that they can't use bus or cycle lanes.
The Dutch allow scooters (up to 50cc I think), electric mobility buggies and all sorts on cycle lanes, supposedly with a 25kph speed limit but a study a while back found something like 80% of them were speeding. It generally works well though and not needing a helmet probably does mean a lot more people using them than otherwise. Only works because of how many cycle lanes there are though.You can also use "mobility cars" below 1.1m wide on Dutch cycle paths, and while old ones like the Canta (which sounds like it's based on a lawnmower!) are very slow, some of the newer electric ones seem to be pretty quick and you don't hear them comming.
RizzoTheRat said:
The Dutch allow scooters (up to 50cc I think), electric mobility buggies and all sorts on cycle lanes, supposedly with a 25kph speed limit but a study a while back found something like 80% of them were speeding. It generally works well though and not needing a helmet probably does mean a lot more people using them than otherwise. Only works because of how many cycle lanes there are though.
You can also use "mobility cars" below 1.1m wide on Dutch cycle paths, and while old ones like the Canta (which sounds like it's based on a lawnmower!) are very slow, some of the newer electric ones seem to be pretty quick and you don't hear them comming.
This is the thing, I've been to Maastricht which is pretty bike mad, and as you say, scooters with pedals and engines, some with just engines, bikes all sorts all allowed in the bike lanes (which are extensive, and well used). They don't need all these idiotic rules in place, just let people get on with it.You can also use "mobility cars" below 1.1m wide on Dutch cycle paths, and while old ones like the Canta (which sounds like it's based on a lawnmower!) are very slow, some of the newer electric ones seem to be pretty quick and you don't hear them comming.
Though it does help they don't appear to be bike hating morons like the much of the UK population.
okgo said:
This is the thing, I've been to Maastricht which is pretty bike mad, and as you say, scooters with pedals and engines, some with just engines, bikes all sorts all allowed in the bike lanes (which are extensive, and well used). They don't need all these idiotic rules in place, just let people get on with it.
Though it does help they don't appear to be bike hating morons like the much of the UK population.
Well they do have an "Idiotic law" that cycle lane use is compulsory as are many cycle paths, like most of Europe even those with nowhere near the same quality of network we have. Though it does help they don't appear to be bike hating morons like the much of the UK population.
Graveworm said:
Well they do have an "Idiotic law" that cycle lane use is compulsory as are many cycle paths, like most of Europe even those with nowhere near the same quality of network we have.
Yes and no, what they effectively have is some roads which you're not allowed to cycle on, but have a segregated cycle path along side. From the other perspective there's a lot of one way streets were cyclists are allowed to go the other way which is very handy.Ok, so I use a motorcycle to commute into London also use a bicycle and on very rare occasions a car. I've got no problem with these being legalised for use on the road with a single caveat, that they have some form of insurance. I must be one of the rare cyclists that carry basic insurance cover for my bike, I've seen countless accidents caused by or too cyclists etc over the years and they should be accountable for their actions. Don't care if they wear skid lids, pay road tax, have to go on a course etc.
I saw one of these things nearly taken out the other night on Old St roundabout by a large sprinter van, the bloke on the scooter had ignored the red lights, think even cyclists round there seem to pay attention to the lights it's that dangerous., he was ranting and raving at the poor van driver who did nothing wrong
I saw one of these things nearly taken out the other night on Old St roundabout by a large sprinter van, the bloke on the scooter had ignored the red lights, think even cyclists round there seem to pay attention to the lights it's that dangerous., he was ranting and raving at the poor van driver who did nothing wrong
stu67 said:
Ok, so I use a motorcycle to commute into London also use a bicycle and on very rare occasions a car. I've got no problem with these being legalised for use on the road with a single caveat, that they have some form of insurance. I must be one of the rare cyclists that carry basic insurance cover for my bike, I've seen countless accidents caused by or too cyclists etc over the years and they should be accountable for their actions. Don't care if they wear skid lids, pay road tax, have to go on a course etc.
I saw one of these things nearly taken out the other night on Old St roundabout by a large sprinter van, the bloke on the scooter had ignored the red lights, think even cyclists round there seem to pay attention to the lights it's that dangerous., he was ranting and raving at the poor van driver who did nothing wrong
I genuinely have no idea why there is no mirror requirement for cyclists to stop and exchange details if in an accident; these obviously should, but there are none legal in the UK yet. I saw one of these things nearly taken out the other night on Old St roundabout by a large sprinter van, the bloke on the scooter had ignored the red lights, think even cyclists round there seem to pay attention to the lights it's that dangerous., he was ranting and raving at the poor van driver who did nothing wrong
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th January 12:55
Graveworm said:
I genuinely have no idea why there is no mirror requirement for cyclists to stop and exchange details if in an accident; these obviously should, but there are none legal in the UK yet.
For all the same reasons probably as helmets. All pointless barriers to entry and would put people off and make everything worse. It really is not worth worrying about it given how unlikely it is that someone should damage your car on a bike. There's probably more point being worried about uninsured drivers, which are very common in certain parts of the country.Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th January 12:55
British cycling has tens of thousands of members, and insurance is included in that. Add that to the fact a lot of peoples bikes are worth more than peoples cars, they probably have an interest to insure them.
okgo said:
For all the same reasons probably as helmets. All pointless barriers to entry and would put people off and make everything worse. It really is not worth worrying about it given how unlikely it is that someone should damage your car on a bike. There's probably more point being worried about uninsured drivers, which are very common in certain parts of the country.
British cycling has tens of thousands of members, and insurance is included in that. Add that to the fact a lot of peoples bikes are worth more than peoples cars, they probably have an interest to insure them.
Where did I mention insurance. You think requiring cyclists to stop and give their details, if they are involved in an accident, would be a significant barrier to cycling? British cycling has tens of thousands of members, and insurance is included in that. Add that to the fact a lot of peoples bikes are worth more than peoples cars, they probably have an interest to insure them.
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