Grassing up a Covid **** taker.

[otolith]

What, you find it hard to understand why GPs did face to face sessions when necessary and remote sessions the rest of the time? You think basically that they should have put themselves at unlimited unnecessary risk?

If you can’t work it out yourself, I doubt there’s much point me explaining it.

[otolith]

Oh, and you seem to have forgotten that I only mentioned this because you were telling lies about lockdown.

[Phil.]

otolith said:

Oh, and you seem to have forgotten that I only mentioned this because you were telling lies about lockdown.

What lies?

[Phil.]

otolith said:

What, you find it hard to understand why GPs did face to face sessions when necessary and remote sessions the rest of the time? You think basically that they should have put themselves at unlimited unnecessary risk?

If you can’t work it out yourself, I doubt there’s much point me explaining it.

Running from the truth with no explanation. I speak to the widow of my friend next door regularly and their children. What should I tell them?

[Phil.]

otolith said:

My partner is a GP. She didn't start doing remote consultations because of lockdown, there was no legal restraint on her patients coming to the surgery to see her, she did it because she didn't fancy dying of Covid.

This is your independent unsolicited comment about your partner. Why try to blame this on me? What lies are you referring to?

[anonymous-user]

Phil. said:

grudas said:

JimSuperSix said:

What a stupid thing to say - which of those professions spend all day in a small room talking face to face with and examining (often very closely) a series of people who are only there because they are already ill ?

You really expect any of these "flu" bros to understand that?

They're probably the ones sitting in their home office's through the day chatting crap on forums with no exposure to real world

You would really expect these ‘’not flu’’ bro’s to understand that paramedics visit people in their homes (small rooms) all the time, and policeman have to have very close, often physical contact, with large numbers of people including inside the station/cells (small rooms), and supermarket workers have thousands of people pass by each day not just a handful of patients. Yet none of them have the option to decide when they might to prefer to use their phone to conduct their work and don’t have to consider what the impact of that decision might be for the patient.

You ‘’not flu’ bros really are deep thinkers that use their massive real world experience to post self-serving chatting crap on forums

So you still think the bloke down the petrol station is equally exposed to illness compared to a GP? That bloke sitting 4 to 6 feet away and probably behind an anti-theft window even before covid started.

How many sick people does the average GP see per day, in a small room examining them closely, compared to the average shelf stacker or even police and firemen? When was the last time a policeman examined your throat from 2 inches away? I think you actually know the answer which is that the GP is on-average far more exposed to risk compared to most other professions, and certainly compared to those you listed, with the possible exception of the paramedic although I doubt they see a different person every 10 or 15 minutes all day every day...

And lets be honest - covid-like symptoms are exactly what people visit a GP about, whereas with a broken leg or heart-attack or whatever they are much more likely to see a paramedic or go directly to hospital.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 25th October 12:37

[otolith]

Phil. said:

otolith said:

Oh, and you seem to have forgotten that I only mentioned this because you were telling lies about lockdown.

What lies?

The lie that lockdown caused GPs to go to remote consultations, when in fact lockdown was a response to the problem which made remote consultations necessary.

[NGee]

otolith said:

The lie that lockdown caused GPs to go to remote consultations, when in fact lockdown was an irresponsible reaction to the problem which then made remote consultations necessary.

FTFY

[Phil.]

otolith said:

Phil. said:

otolith said:

Oh, and you seem to have forgotten that I only mentioned this because you were telling lies about lockdown.

What lies?

The lie that lockdown caused GPs to go to remote consultations, when in fact lockdown was a response to the problem which made remote consultations necessary.

I said ‘I expect the timing of this change coincided with lockdown as it did in all the GP’s in my area.‘

A statement and a fact. Not a lie!

You really are despicable trying to blame me for your mistake making the post about your partner being a GP and then regretting it when you received some responses you didn’t like! Suggest you count to 10 before posting next time.

[Phil.]

NGee said:

otolith said:

The lie that lockdown caused GPs to go to remote consultations, when in fact lockdown was an irresponsible reaction to the problem which then made remote consultations necessary.

FTFY

[Phil.]

JimSuperSix said:

Phil. said:

grudas said:

JimSuperSix said:

What a stupid thing to say - which of those professions spend all day in a small room talking face to face with and examining (often very closely) a series of people who are only there because they are already ill ?

You really expect any of these "flu" bros to understand that?

They're probably the ones sitting in their home office's through the day chatting crap on forums with no exposure to real world

You would really expect these ‘’not flu’’ bro’s to understand that paramedics visit people in their homes (small rooms) all the time, and policeman have to have very close, often physical contact, with large numbers of people including inside the station/cells (small rooms), and supermarket workers have thousands of people pass by each day not just a handful of patients. Yet none of them have the option to decide when they might to prefer to use their phone to conduct their work and don’t have to consider what the impact of that decision might be for the patient.

You ‘’not flu’ bros really are deep thinkers that use their massive real world experience to post self-serving chatting crap on forums

So you still think the bloke down the petrol station is equally exposed to illness compared to a GP? That bloke sitting 4 to 6 feet away and probably behind an anti-theft window even before covid started.

How many sick people does the average GP see per day, in a small room examining them closely, compared to the average shelf stacker or even police and firemen? When was the last time a policeman examined your throat from 2 inches away? I think you actually know the answer which is that the GP is on-average far more exposed to risk compared to most other professions, and certainly compared to those you listed, with the possible exception of the paramedic although I doubt they see a different person every 10 or 15 minutes all day every day...

And lets be honest - covid-like symptoms are exactly what people visit a GP about, whereas with a broken leg or heart-attack or whatever they are much more likely to see a paramedic or go directly to hospital.

Edited by JimSuperSix on Sunday 25th October 12:37

I mentioned paramedics, policemen and supermarket workers, nothing about a bloke in a petrol station. All those I mentioned either have close contact with people in small rooms or close contact with thousands of people a day who didn’t wear masks until mid-July. Feel free to use the bloke in a petrol station to suit your argument but it doesn’t stand up against the examples I cited.

[Phil.]

[anonymous-user]

Phil. said:

JimSuperSix said:

Phil. said:

grudas said:

JimSuperSix said:

What a stupid thing to say - which of those professions spend all day in a small room talking face to face with and examining (often very closely) a series of people who are only there because they are already ill ?

You really expect any of these "flu" bros to understand that?

They're probably the ones sitting in their home office's through the day chatting crap on forums with no exposure to real world

You would really expect these ‘’not flu’’ bro’s to understand that paramedics visit people in their homes (small rooms) all the time, and policeman have to have very close, often physical contact, with large numbers of people including inside the station/cells (small rooms), and supermarket workers have thousands of people pass by each day not just a handful of patients. Yet none of them have the option to decide when they might to prefer to use their phone to conduct their work and don’t have to consider what the impact of that decision might be for the patient.

You ‘’not flu’ bros really are deep thinkers that use their massive real world experience to post self-serving chatting crap on forums

So you still think the bloke down the petrol station is equally exposed to illness compared to a GP? That bloke sitting 4 to 6 feet away and probably behind an anti-theft window even before covid started.

How many sick people does the average GP see per day, in a small room examining them closely, compared to the average shelf stacker or even police and firemen? When was the last time a policeman examined your throat from 2 inches away? I think you actually know the answer which is that the GP is on-average far more exposed to risk compared to most other professions, and certainly compared to those you listed, with the possible exception of the paramedic although I doubt they see a different person every 10 or 15 minutes all day every day...

And lets be honest - covid-like symptoms are exactly what people visit a GP about, whereas with a broken leg or heart-attack or whatever they are much more likely to see a paramedic or go directly to hospital.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 25th October 12:37

I mentioned paramedics, policemen and supermarket workers, nothing about a bloke in a petrol station. All those I mentioned either have close contact with people in small rooms or close contact with thousands of people a day who didn’t wear masks until mid-July. Feel free to use the bloke in a petrol station to suit your argument but it doesn’t stand up against the examples I cited.

That's because it wasn't you that made the original comment, whoever it was used bloke-in-a-petrol-station as being equally at risk as a GP. And unless those professions you mention get very close every day to a large supply of people who are only present because they are ill then they can't really be compared. The average policeman is not going to get within a few inches of various sick people within the course of their average day and won't be very likely to be breathing in their breath at very close range, and neither is a supermarket worker. GPs are.

[Phil.]

JimSuperSix said:

That's because it wasn't you that made the original comment, whoever it was used bloke-in-a-petrol-station as being equally at risk as a GP. And unless those professions you mention get very close every day to a large supply of people who are only present because they are ill then they can't really be compared. The average policeman is not going to get within a few inches of various sick people within the course of their average day and won't be very likely to be breathing in their breath at very close range, and neither is a supermarket worker. GPs are.

You are taking bks about police not coming in to close contact with people. Paramedics you have ignored. I walk past supermarket workers stacking shelves every week and sometimes we are less than 2m apart. Gasp!

Why did GP’s decide to use their phone for pretty much all consultations once lockdown was first implemented when they had access to medical standard PPE? May be not for every patient but for some who might benefit from a face-to-face consultation. This would have balanced the risk against the benefit for the patient not just for the GP.

[anonymous-user]

Phil. said:

JimSuperSix said:

That's because it wasn't you that made the original comment, whoever it was used bloke-in-a-petrol-station as being equally at risk as a GP. And unless those professions you mention get very close every day to a large supply of people who are only present because they are ill then they can't really be compared. The average policeman is not going to get within a few inches of various sick people within the course of their average day and won't be very likely to be breathing in their breath at very close range, and neither is a supermarket worker. GPs are.

You are taking bks about police not coming in to close contact with people. Paramedics you have ignored. I walk past supermarket workers stacking shelves every week and sometimes we are less than 2m apart. Gasp!

Why did GP’s decide to use their phone for pretty much all consultations once lockdown was first implemented when they had access to medical standard PPE? May be not for every patient but for some who might benefit from a face-to-face consultation. This would have balanced the risk against the benefit for the patient not just for the GP.

You are either not understanding or deliberately misunderstanding - I've not said those people don't come into contact, what I have said is that they do not come into such regular and close contact with the same amount of sick people on a daily basis as the average GP does. The original point that I was objecting to was that apparently those people and even the bloke in the petrol station have the same risk and exposure level as a GP, which is clearly not true.

I also commented about paramedics in one of my previous replies.

Read back and understand what was said and objected to before replying eh?

[Killboy]

Phil, would you like to post the end of week prediction tracking results, or would you prefer I did it?

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

Phil, would you like to post the end of week prediction tracking results, or would you prefer I did it?

Fill your boots but remember to wait until Xmas eve before gloating

I think that the average 7 day death figure has risen this week from around 100 to 160 ish. Still relatively low and not increasing at the pandemic rate in March. Looking good for a downturn by the end of the year

[Phil.]

[Phil.]

No second wave. ONS data.

Note how low the deaths are in tier 2 London, which was the epicenter of the March pandemic. Just a bit of catching up for northern regions who had lower death rates earlier this year, then we will have sufficient herd immunity across England.

[grudas]

Interesting how hospitalisations have been increasing at crazy rate.. and ventilator bed usage is going crazy too.

Guess it's a bad flu year