Why is car crime unpunished/ unpoliced?
Discussion
It's not just cars. A colleague at work had his very expensive electric bike stolen. It has a tracker on it. He stupidly/bravely (depending on how you look at it) decided to find out where his bike was using the tracker. He want back twice - second time with his wife - and it was inside a warehouse with some rather unsavoury fellows guarding the place. Police eventually told him that they were investigating the premises and his bike was a very small part of the problem. He ended up claiming it on insurance. All a bit depressing.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
carlo996 said:
Greendubber said:
As expected you have no idea.
Unless you want a cop outside everyone's door searching them when they leave their house of course?
You're part of the problem, your comments are to be expected really.Unless you want a cop outside everyone's door searching them when they leave their house of course?
Happened to look out the window last night at about 7pm and saw 2 guys cutting the catalytic converter off a neighbour’s car. I phoned 999 - answered immediately and told the police what was happening.
2 police cars turned up within 15 minutes - 1 searching the area where I saw the thieves run too, the other asking me what I saw.
Police said they’d already had some other reports that evening. Not a lot they could do as I didn’t see the car the thieves were in - they’d parked round the corner but at least they turned up and had a look / asked questions.
One of the thieves had a baseball bat and stood guard whilst the other cut the exhaust. All finished within 2 1/2 minutes. Difficult to know what the police can realistically do unless they happen across them in the act.
2 police cars turned up within 15 minutes - 1 searching the area where I saw the thieves run too, the other asking me what I saw.
Police said they’d already had some other reports that evening. Not a lot they could do as I didn’t see the car the thieves were in - they’d parked round the corner but at least they turned up and had a look / asked questions.
One of the thieves had a baseball bat and stood guard whilst the other cut the exhaust. All finished within 2 1/2 minutes. Difficult to know what the police can realistically do unless they happen across them in the act.
Mr Miata said:
There’s a difference between no evidence and can’t be bothered to even gather any evidence .
The crimes Ive reported including burglary and attempted car theft were instantly dropped without any investigation. On one occasion I hadn't heard anything for weeks, so I went down to the police station, they didn’t even have the decency to inform me the case was closed and had zero compassion. They treated me worse than the criminal.
The crimes Ive reported including burglary and attempted car theft were instantly dropped without any investigation. On one occasion I hadn't heard anything for weeks, so I went down to the police station, they didn’t even have the decency to inform me the case was closed and had zero compassion. They treated me worse than the criminal.
Ian Geary said:
Really?
They really treated you "worse" than a criminal? .
Ah, victim blaming. Rather than putting your hand up to admit you are failing the public. It’s no surprise the public loses all trust and confidence in the police after repeatedly being let down.They really treated you "worse" than a criminal? .
The Police Officer (or staff) was more aggressive towards me because I had the audacity to be unhappy with the service we were receiving. While the criminal totally got away to commit further crimes.
At one point the conversation when like this…
Me: How can you close the case when I have cctv footage that clearly shows him, his van and his registration plate? Why don’t you go after him?
Police Officer: We won’t be doing anything as he’s not from this town.
Am I supposed to be happy with this?
Edited by Mr Miata on Sunday 19th March 18:44
LordLoveLength said:
One of the thieves had a baseball bat and stood guard whilst the other cut the exhaust. All finished within 2 1/2 minutes. Difficult to know what the police can realistically do unless they happen across them in the act.
Let the neighbours sort it out 
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/02/10/suspected-...
https://www.daytondailynews.com/crime/man-shot-aft...
LordLoveLength said:
One of the thieves had a baseball bat and stood guard whilst the other cut the exhaust. All finished within 2 1/2 minutes. Difficult to know what the police can realistically do unless they happen across them in the act.
I read that this was their MO. Theres usually one guy with a weapon on guard. I wonder if there any cases where a 'guard' has ever used the weapon on someone trying to stop the cat being stolen. It's quite a leap going from theft (probably suspended sentence at most) to possible GBH with intent, which carries a much lengthier prison sentence.NMNeil said:
LordLoveLength said:
One of the thieves had a baseball bat and stood guard whilst the other cut the exhaust. All finished within 2 1/2 minutes. Difficult to know what the police can realistically do unless they happen across them in the act.
Let the neighbours sort it out https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/02/10/suspected-...
https://www.daytondailynews.com/crime/man-shot-aft...
Thats What She Said said:
It's quite a leap going from theft (probably suspended sentence at most) to possible GBH with intent, which carries a much lengthier prison sentence.
I recall a conversation about kids/blokes carrying knives, and in particular drawing a knife and threatening someone....can't remember the exact words, but the gist was that if the other party doesn't immediately back down / go away, then the knife-wielder has escalated themselves to a point where they HAVE to use it or look like a coward.
So I can see this sort of thing going the same way - the baseball bat is supposed to be the deterrent, but if the deterrent fails the wielder has suddenly got himself into much more bother if he gets caught. In the heat of the moment many people can forget themselves / be oblivious to consequences.
Thats What She Said said:
LordLoveLength said:
One of the thieves had a baseball bat and stood guard whilst the other cut the exhaust. All finished within 2 1/2 minutes. Difficult to know what the police can realistically do unless they happen across them in the act.
I read that this was their MO. Theres usually one guy with a weapon on guard. I wonder if there any cases where a 'guard' has ever used the weapon on someone trying to stop the cat being stolen. It's quite a leap going from theft (probably suspended sentence at most) to possible GBH with intent, which carries a much lengthier prison sentence.DodgyGeezer said:
and a concern is that when the police are ineffective (or even just viewed as such) the potential for vigilantism increases, this is something that should concern us all
But we give them fair warning here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xSdDL1MFFk
NMNeil said:
DodgyGeezer said:
and a concern is that when the police are ineffective (or even just viewed as such) the potential for vigilantism increases, this is something that should concern us all
But we give them fair warning here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xSdDL1MFFk
So… Update time.
Comedy this morning, just sat having lunch with my brother, door bell goes… Pcso is raising awareness of lots of thefts in the area, & is distributing faraday pouches. She asks “Have you got a keyless car?” My brother answers “No, but I have got a carless key, it got stolen last week off the drive & you were not interested then” (Car was not keyless just for background info).
Fair play to her though, she promised to go & check what was happening. Brother got a call late afternoon, seems it triggered an ANPR camera in Birmingham at 11pm, so was stolen probably 10:15pm to 10:30pm… Village CCTV conveniently didn’t pick it up, despite there only being 2 entrances to the estate, both covered by the CCTV cameras…..Neighbours CCTV has been electronically jammed somehow so didn’t activate.
Still a pile of glass on the drive, then around the corner the drivers window remains along with lots of bodge tape, so looks like taped the window up, OBD port used to deactivate alarm & key clone, then pushed off the drive up the road before being started. It has given them less than an hour between the car getting home & being stolen, so probably been watched for a while or followed home.
Car has been found today in Cambridge, stripped & burnt out, so thats that. Oh, and there is no forensic evidence to collect, police have washed their hands of it & its now my brothers responsibility to get it recovered.
Oh, in the same village, two cars were stolen with forced entry key theft last week, & THREE, yes THREE, were stolen from the same road last night….. This is a quiet, nice village, not the bronx.
Welcome to lawless Britain….
Comedy this morning, just sat having lunch with my brother, door bell goes… Pcso is raising awareness of lots of thefts in the area, & is distributing faraday pouches. She asks “Have you got a keyless car?” My brother answers “No, but I have got a carless key, it got stolen last week off the drive & you were not interested then” (Car was not keyless just for background info).
Fair play to her though, she promised to go & check what was happening. Brother got a call late afternoon, seems it triggered an ANPR camera in Birmingham at 11pm, so was stolen probably 10:15pm to 10:30pm… Village CCTV conveniently didn’t pick it up, despite there only being 2 entrances to the estate, both covered by the CCTV cameras…..Neighbours CCTV has been electronically jammed somehow so didn’t activate.
Still a pile of glass on the drive, then around the corner the drivers window remains along with lots of bodge tape, so looks like taped the window up, OBD port used to deactivate alarm & key clone, then pushed off the drive up the road before being started. It has given them less than an hour between the car getting home & being stolen, so probably been watched for a while or followed home.
Car has been found today in Cambridge, stripped & burnt out, so thats that. Oh, and there is no forensic evidence to collect, police have washed their hands of it & its now my brothers responsibility to get it recovered.
Oh, in the same village, two cars were stolen with forced entry key theft last week, & THREE, yes THREE, were stolen from the same road last night….. This is a quiet, nice village, not the bronx.
Welcome to lawless Britain….
oyster said:
There's lots of talk about how the police and justice system makes it easy for the criminals with poor likelihood of getting caught and low consequences of getting caught. Surely it stands to reason that offering easy access to said criminals is also encouraging more crime (either more criminals or more offences per criminal).
We put so much effort on physical security for ourselves (don't walk down dodgy streets at night wearing a Rolex) and our houses, but neglect cars. Open driveways. Keys in hallways. Gates open. etc. etc.
It's often the case that telling your insurer that the car is parked in the garage does not result in lower premiums. Assume that's because a thief can get into the garage and then spend as long as he wants (it's never a she... The police should look at that trend maybe) with access to all the tools, making the car run. We put so much effort on physical security for ourselves (don't walk down dodgy streets at night wearing a Rolex) and our houses, but neglect cars. Open driveways. Keys in hallways. Gates open. etc. etc.
RWD cossie wil said:
So… Update time.
Comedy this morning, just sat having lunch with my brother, door bell goes… Pcso is raising awareness of lots of thefts in the area, & is distributing faraday pouches. She asks “Have you got a keyless car?” My brother answers “No, but I have got a carless key, it got stolen last week off the drive & you were not interested then” (Car was not keyless just for background info).
Fair play to her though, she promised to go & check what was happening. Brother got a call late afternoon, seems it triggered an ANPR camera in Birmingham at 11pm, so was stolen probably 10:15pm to 10:30pm… Village CCTV conveniently didn’t pick it up, despite there only being 2 entrances to the estate, both covered by the CCTV cameras…..Neighbours CCTV has been electronically jammed somehow so didn’t activate.
Still a pile of glass on the drive, then around the corner the drivers window remains along with lots of bodge tape, so looks like taped the window up, OBD port used to deactivate alarm & key clone, then pushed off the drive up the road before being started. It has given them less than an hour between the car getting home & being stolen, so probably been watched for a while or followed home.
Car has been found today in Cambridge, stripped & burnt out, so thats that. Oh, and there is no forensic evidence to collect, police have washed their hands of it & its now my brothers responsibility to get it recovered.
Oh, in the same village, two cars were stolen with forced entry key theft last week, & THREE, yes THREE, were stolen from the same road last night….. This is a quiet, nice village, not the bronx.
Welcome to lawless Britain….
Which village is it? Comedy this morning, just sat having lunch with my brother, door bell goes… Pcso is raising awareness of lots of thefts in the area, & is distributing faraday pouches. She asks “Have you got a keyless car?” My brother answers “No, but I have got a carless key, it got stolen last week off the drive & you were not interested then” (Car was not keyless just for background info).
Fair play to her though, she promised to go & check what was happening. Brother got a call late afternoon, seems it triggered an ANPR camera in Birmingham at 11pm, so was stolen probably 10:15pm to 10:30pm… Village CCTV conveniently didn’t pick it up, despite there only being 2 entrances to the estate, both covered by the CCTV cameras…..Neighbours CCTV has been electronically jammed somehow so didn’t activate.
Still a pile of glass on the drive, then around the corner the drivers window remains along with lots of bodge tape, so looks like taped the window up, OBD port used to deactivate alarm & key clone, then pushed off the drive up the road before being started. It has given them less than an hour between the car getting home & being stolen, so probably been watched for a while or followed home.
Car has been found today in Cambridge, stripped & burnt out, so thats that. Oh, and there is no forensic evidence to collect, police have washed their hands of it & its now my brothers responsibility to get it recovered.
Oh, in the same village, two cars were stolen with forced entry key theft last week, & THREE, yes THREE, were stolen from the same road last night….. This is a quiet, nice village, not the bronx.
Welcome to lawless Britain….
Some on this thread will still say this isn’t a police problem
RWD cossie wil said:
So… Update time.
Comedy this morning, just sat having lunch with my brother, door bell goes… Pcso is raising awareness of lots of thefts in the area, & is distributing faraday pouches. She asks “Have you got a keyless car?” My brother answers “No, but I have got a carless key, it got stolen last week off the drive & you were not interested then” (Car was not keyless just for background info).
Fair play to her though, she promised to go & check what was happening. Brother got a call late afternoon, seems it triggered an ANPR camera in Birmingham at 11pm, so was stolen probably 10:15pm to 10:30pm… Village CCTV conveniently didn’t pick it up, despite there only being 2 entrances to the estate, both covered by the CCTV cameras…..Neighbours CCTV has been electronically jammed somehow so didn’t activate.
Still a pile of glass on the drive, then around the corner the drivers window remains along with lots of bodge tape, so looks like taped the window up, OBD port used to deactivate alarm & key clone, then pushed off the drive up the road before being started. It has given them less than an hour between the car getting home & being stolen, so probably been watched for a while or followed home.
Car has been found today in Cambridge, stripped & burnt out, so thats that. Oh, and there is no forensic evidence to collect, police have washed their hands of it & its now my brothers responsibility to get it recovered.
Oh, in the same village, two cars were stolen with forced entry key theft last week, & THREE, yes THREE, were stolen from the same road last night….. This is a quiet, nice village, not the bronx.
Welcome to lawless Britain….
Comedy this morning, just sat having lunch with my brother, door bell goes… Pcso is raising awareness of lots of thefts in the area, & is distributing faraday pouches. She asks “Have you got a keyless car?” My brother answers “No, but I have got a carless key, it got stolen last week off the drive & you were not interested then” (Car was not keyless just for background info).
Fair play to her though, she promised to go & check what was happening. Brother got a call late afternoon, seems it triggered an ANPR camera in Birmingham at 11pm, so was stolen probably 10:15pm to 10:30pm… Village CCTV conveniently didn’t pick it up, despite there only being 2 entrances to the estate, both covered by the CCTV cameras…..Neighbours CCTV has been electronically jammed somehow so didn’t activate.
Still a pile of glass on the drive, then around the corner the drivers window remains along with lots of bodge tape, so looks like taped the window up, OBD port used to deactivate alarm & key clone, then pushed off the drive up the road before being started. It has given them less than an hour between the car getting home & being stolen, so probably been watched for a while or followed home.
Car has been found today in Cambridge, stripped & burnt out, so thats that. Oh, and there is no forensic evidence to collect, police have washed their hands of it & its now my brothers responsibility to get it recovered.
Oh, in the same village, two cars were stolen with forced entry key theft last week, & THREE, yes THREE, were stolen from the same road last night….. This is a quiet, nice village, not the bronx.
Welcome to lawless Britain….
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