Why is car crime unpunished/ unpoliced?
Discussion
Dingu said:
Anyway, the actual answer to your question is probably funding. Both that of the police and that of other agencies which police spend lots of time picking up the slack for. Like mental health services.
Disagree.All this crime is from a breakdown in society (coupled with importation of.........). Advanced countries shouldn't have to keep spending money to keep citizens behaving, they should want to behave.
I've just been asked to assist with telecoms evidence for a 58 event car key burglary conspiracy around Birmingham. The group have been identified and the events tied together by some fantastic work from the DC involved. It's an enormous piece of very complex work.
OP, whilst the initial response may not be what you want, depending on the force there is a fair bit of good work going on in my experience so you never know there may be a good result. It's just not necessarily the forward facing stuff directly after the event where you get the levels of service and that's a shame.
OP, whilst the initial response may not be what you want, depending on the force there is a fair bit of good work going on in my experience so you never know there may be a good result. It's just not necessarily the forward facing stuff directly after the event where you get the levels of service and that's a shame.
Car stolen from outside a garage where it was been stored , I had the keys and documents at home.
Disappeared.
Reported to the police
A year later an innocent chap has it on his drive having bought it from a specialist breaker.
I speak to chap , bought with broken ignition, and one window broken , no keys, no documents.
Speak to police, giving them details where it was bought.
Hear nothing for three weeks , chase police officer. She’s been on holiday , not had chance to speak to specialist breaker.
Rang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen 🤷♂️
Disappeared.
Reported to the police
A year later an innocent chap has it on his drive having bought it from a specialist breaker.
I speak to chap , bought with broken ignition, and one window broken , no keys, no documents.
Speak to police, giving them details where it was bought.
Hear nothing for three weeks , chase police officer. She’s been on holiday , not had chance to speak to specialist breaker.
Rang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen 🤷♂️
havoc said:
Our (1990-ish) housing estate has open front gardens and driveways all around it. No gates possible without looking odd, and you'd need to fence/hedge the whole front garden off. Those houses with single garages don't use them in the main as they're too narrow for anything except a supermini (assuming you want to open the door to get out, of course).
The same applies to the estates where a few friends live...all built more recently.
I have snipped the bits relevant to my comments.The same applies to the estates where a few friends live...all built more recently.
My daughter and her family recently moved to a 1990s housing estate, which is exactly as you describe. Everything open to the road, just enough space to park one car in front of the garage. So she parks her 3 year old SEAT on the drive. It is about to be changed for a new car in a few months time. Fingers crossed it will still be there after a few weeks. When she was ordering the next car, all her and her husband were bothered about was what tech it came with, not anything mechanical, and they read nothing about it's reliability etc. They will own it for 3 years at £x per month and most likely never service it, as they do about 7,000 miles a year and work from home..
Driving around her housing estate of affordable homes (East Midlands, so average house around £200-230k), it is noticeable the number of houses where the cars belonging to the owners are worth between 30 and 50% of the value of the house. I realise they are PCP's, not owned, but all the same...... None of them appear to be secured in any way other than the car's own security, all are in full view of the road (and the neighbours, which may the part of thr pouint of having them).
Most have a Ring doorbell.....as that's the fashion these days. And a house full of X Boxes, vast TVs and Ipads etc. My grandchildren were shocked to the core when they heard that I didn't have a mobile when I was their age. When I said I got all the way through school maths without a calculator, my grand-daughter nearly fainted at the thought. She now thinks Queen Victoria was on the throne when I was born. Last week they did the Beatles at school.......in history. I was about to say that I remembered the Beatles when they were making that history, but thought better of it.
Greendubber said:
JLR products are going like hot cakes via relay thefts here. Faraday bag puts a stop to it though but people don't think their shiney Range Rover parked in suburbia would need one....
We’ve had a few stolen when the owners have said their keys have been in one of those bags. Of course we don’t know if they have kept them in them or just saying it. It’s impressive at how quickly they can do it though. CCTV footage of them walking past to going away with the car in 63 seconds.
Sadly OP real life isn’t like 24 or Miami CSI. CCTV is easily stopped by a hoody. Finger prints are stopped by gloves…
There is a lot of background work though. It’s impressive some of the stuff that CID are doing!
havoc said:
I agree on faraday cages...but again, it's a solution to a problem the OEMs have created - keyless entry. "We think our customers enjoy being lazy, so we're going to create an easily-hacked system which will make it easier to nick their car and cause them problems with their insurance companies when they try to claim". And yet it still f
king exists!?!
100 fking exists!?!king % correct.There is a LOT of technology being invented these days which is very stupid, but it's to benefit stupid idiots.
Look at phones containing underground pass, along with your bank card. So if you lose your phone, you lose everything and you're stranded!
Apple wireless earphones. If they fall out they're going down the nearest drain.
The list goes on.....
LosingGrip said:
Greendubber said:
JLR products are going like hot cakes via relay thefts here. Faraday bag puts a stop to it though but people don't think their shiney Range Rover parked in suburbia would need one....
We’ve had a few stolen when the owners have said their keys have been in one of those bags. Of course we don’t know if they have kept them in them or just saying it. It’s impressive at how quickly they can do it though. CCTV footage of them walking past to going away with the car in 63 seconds.
Sadly OP real life isn’t like 24 or Miami CSI. CCTV is easily stopped by a hoody. Finger prints are stopped by gloves…
There is a lot of background work though. It’s impressive some of the stuff that CID are doing!
I was once the proud owner of a lovely 2016 Focus ST3, obviously keyless... I had a disklok, tracker, faraday bags, house alarm, CCTV and all was good. However the bloke around the corner with none of that had his taken from his driveway.
I think it's just a case of making your particular car a more difficult target than everyone else's.
Mr Miata said:
There’s a difference between no evidence and can’t be bothered to even gather any evidence .
The crimes Ive reported including burglary and attempted car theft were instantly dropped without any investigation. On one occasion I hadn't heard anything for weeks, so I went down to the police station, they didn’t even have the decency to inform me the case was closed and had zero compassion. They treated me worse than the criminal.
Television doesn't help the perception of police work.The crimes Ive reported including burglary and attempted car theft were instantly dropped without any investigation. On one occasion I hadn't heard anything for weeks, so I went down to the police station, they didn’t even have the decency to inform me the case was closed and had zero compassion. They treated me worse than the criminal.
Had a report that someone had siphoned out a full tank of petrol. The victim meets me at his front door with the petrol cap in a plastic bag so that I could "Have it sent to the lab to check for DNA, just like they do on CSI"
POORCARDEALER said:
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Rang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen ?????
That's the shocking bit tbhRang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen ?????
DodgyGeezer said:
POORCARDEALER said:
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Rang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen ?????
That's the shocking bit tbhRang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen ?????
GasEngineer said:
DodgyGeezer said:
POORCARDEALER said:
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Rang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen ?????
That's the shocking bit tbhRang me a week later , spoke to specialist on phone , he doesn’t know who he bought it off for cash, no paperwork , no keys , broken ignition and window , no documents.
Case is closed we have no reason to think he knew it was stolen ?????
Knowing or believing the goods to be stolen is an essential element of the offence.
Theft Act 1968 said:
22 Handling stolen goods.
(1)A person handles stolen goods if (otherwise than in the course of the stealing) knowing or believing them to be stolen goods he dishonestly receives the goods, or dishonestly undertakes or assists in their retention, removal, disposal or realisation by or for the benefit of another person, or if he arranges to do so.
(1)A person handles stolen goods if (otherwise than in the course of the stealing) knowing or believing them to be stolen goods he dishonestly receives the goods, or dishonestly undertakes or assists in their retention, removal, disposal or realisation by or for the benefit of another person, or if he arranges to do so.
I was listening to a senior forecsics exert talking on Radio 4 the other day.
She said it can take weeks to process DNA evidence, but the average juror is stunned when told this.
They are completely certain that it takes less than an hour........(because that's the length of the average police crime drama episode on TV).
She said it can take weeks to process DNA evidence, but the average juror is stunned when told this.
They are completely certain that it takes less than an hour........(because that's the length of the average police crime drama episode on TV).
Greendubber said:
LosingGrip said:
Greendubber said:
JLR products are going like hot cakes via relay thefts here. Faraday bag puts a stop to it though but people don't think their shiney Range Rover parked in suburbia would need one....
We’ve had a few stolen when the owners have said their keys have been in one of those bags. Of course we don’t know if they have kept them in them or just saying it. It’s impressive at how quickly they can do it though. CCTV footage of them walking past to going away with the car in 63 seconds.
Sadly OP real life isn’t like 24 or Miami CSI. CCTV is easily stopped by a hoody. Finger prints are stopped by gloves…
There is a lot of background work though. It’s impressive some of the stuff that CID are doing!
I was once the proud owner of a lovely 2016 Focus ST3, obviously keyless... I had a disklok, tracker, faraday bags, house alarm, CCTV and all was good. However the bloke around the corner with none of that had his taken from his driveway.
I think it's just a case of making your particular car a more difficult target than everyone else's.
I just have the key a quick shake and it started
So they have thought about it
A few months ago my friend and his father 3 weeks before him, both had their JLR vehicles stolen. On the CCTV you could see it took under a minute.
When my friends (the son) car got stolen he rang everyone he know who was a bit more 'street' than him and within 2 hours he got a message back saying it was £2000 for him to get his car returned. I didn't really believe him until I went with him later that night to the out of town location where his car was indeed parked on false plates and with a few bits of trim ripped out. He claimed he didn't pay but called in a favour and I didn't press him on it, but the car was back with him that night. I was quite amazed by this and on relaying my rather exciting story to a couple of people they seemed to know other people who had the exact same thing happen to them.
It's become almost a business now, cars are easy pickings with the right equipment and I can only imagine the police are too stretched to deal with it because it seems with a little bit of effort they could easily find out who's behind the JLR thefts around here.
When my friends (the son) car got stolen he rang everyone he know who was a bit more 'street' than him and within 2 hours he got a message back saying it was £2000 for him to get his car returned. I didn't really believe him until I went with him later that night to the out of town location where his car was indeed parked on false plates and with a few bits of trim ripped out. He claimed he didn't pay but called in a favour and I didn't press him on it, but the car was back with him that night. I was quite amazed by this and on relaying my rather exciting story to a couple of people they seemed to know other people who had the exact same thing happen to them.
It's become almost a business now, cars are easy pickings with the right equipment and I can only imagine the police are too stretched to deal with it because it seems with a little bit of effort they could easily find out who's behind the JLR thefts around here.
Anyone who expects much from the Police if they are a victim of vehicle theft is going to be disappointed. Pretty much useless. I have had to deal with this twice and on one occasion went to court with the piece of scum who had been stealing cars for 20 years. In that case the Police made a right ass of things. In the other I had a disinterested phone call saying that ‘there’s a lot of it around’.
And they wonder why people take matters into their own hands?
And they wonder why people take matters into their own hands?
carlo996 said:
And they wonder why people take matters into their own hands?
That's the piece that really boils my piss - they WON'T help (yes, I know the reasons), but the minute you take the law into your own hands, the whole law enforcement machine comes down on you full-force. So clearly "taking the law into your own hands" after being the victim of crime is a much bigger risk to society than actually being a career criminal.carlo996 said:
I find that a couple of dogs in and around the house is a good safety net. If these pondlife really want your car they are going to find a way, they know the security weaknesses and that the Police are a soft touch. The risk vs rewards are massively on their side.
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