Why is car crime unpunished/ unpoliced?
Discussion
gt_12345 said:
Disagree.
All this crime is from a breakdown in society (coupled with importation of.........). Advanced countries shouldn't have to keep spending money to keep citizens behaving, they should want to behave.
Eh? Perhaps you could sort the problem by going around telling the scrotes they should behave better.All this crime is from a breakdown in society (coupled with importation of.........). Advanced countries shouldn't have to keep spending money to keep citizens behaving, they should want to behave.
Over 20 years ago we had a government who thought it was a good idea to massively increase welfare payments to scrotes if they had more kids. Predictably incentivising these scrotes to breed exponentially now means huge numbers of scrote offspring hitting their 20s. Couple this with the fact that millions of scrotes have autism BS or poor mental health that again they are incentivised to exaggerate means lots of other public services including the police suffer funding cuts. Swapping a police officer for 3 mental scrotes is not a good recipe for a healthy society.
Edited by Franco5 on Friday 17th March 21:35
Having scanned this thread, and having relatively recent experience of the poli response to a stolen vehicle, some thoughts:
If you meant importation of "cars with poor security", then fine. But why not be brave enough to type what you think?
If you mean people from overseas? Disagree. We had a huge car crime epidemic in the 80s and 90s, before immigration rules were relaxed. This just makes you look like you've come here straight from the daily Mail comment section.
Crime has always existed, and when people leave something expensive but poorly guarded outside their house, people with less are going to take advantage.
They really treated you "worse" than a criminal?
FFS, what a stupid comment, which just sums up the stunted thinking that prevails on here sometimes.
There's been some really good explanations by people to set out the context and pressures the police face, as well as the realism about car recovery.
Yet it's like people want this place to be the daily express.
Niponeoff said:
My daughter's want a dog, but we haven't agreed who's going to pick it's poo up. I've offered to arrange a trial which they haven't taken up yet.
Why does this make me think your daughter will be following you round with a plastic bag as you poop in various different places???gt_12345 said:
Disagree.
All this crime is from a breakdown in society (coupled with importation of.........). Advanced countries shouldn't have to keep spending money to keep citizens behaving, they should want to behave.
Trying to blame it on the importation of... what? All this crime is from a breakdown in society (coupled with importation of.........). Advanced countries shouldn't have to keep spending money to keep citizens behaving, they should want to behave.
If you meant importation of "cars with poor security", then fine. But why not be brave enough to type what you think?
If you mean people from overseas? Disagree. We had a huge car crime epidemic in the 80s and 90s, before immigration rules were relaxed. This just makes you look like you've come here straight from the daily Mail comment section.
Crime has always existed, and when people leave something expensive but poorly guarded outside their house, people with less are going to take advantage.
Mr Miata said:
There’s a difference between no evidence and can’t be bothered to even gather any evidence .
The crimes Ive reported including burglary and attempted car theft were instantly dropped without any investigation. On one occasion I hadn't heard anything for weeks, so I went down to the police station, they didn’t even have the decency to inform me the case was closed and had zero compassion. They treated me worse than the criminal.
Really?The crimes Ive reported including burglary and attempted car theft were instantly dropped without any investigation. On one occasion I hadn't heard anything for weeks, so I went down to the police station, they didn’t even have the decency to inform me the case was closed and had zero compassion. They treated me worse than the criminal.
They really treated you "worse" than a criminal?
FFS, what a stupid comment, which just sums up the stunted thinking that prevails on here sometimes.
There's been some really good explanations by people to set out the context and pressures the police face, as well as the realism about car recovery.
Yet it's like people want this place to be the daily express.
I recently had my ‘cat’ stolen from a station car park. Was actually a silencer as the cat is not under the car but that didn't stop them ripping off the under tray and cutting it off.
CCTV and ANPR at the station. Happened in broad daylight. Busy station too. BTP have been great - ringing me with updates, got the CCTV etc.
Cant go into too much detail as still ongoing but the communications been great and they are clearly doing something and investigating.
Irony is I parked away from other cars to avoid door dings and that probably made it easier for them. Now parking in between cars and looking for when drivers doors are not facing my car
CCTV and ANPR at the station. Happened in broad daylight. Busy station too. BTP have been great - ringing me with updates, got the CCTV etc.
Cant go into too much detail as still ongoing but the communications been great and they are clearly doing something and investigating.
Irony is I parked away from other cars to avoid door dings and that probably made it easier for them. Now parking in between cars and looking for when drivers doors are not facing my car
EdmondDantes said:
My neighbours had two brand new Audi q7’s stolen and a week later they came back and stole a Rs6 and S7.
He was high up in Audi, so regularly had new cars. They ended up moving away.
You'd think he'd add more security to the house? But presumably didn't care, as they were company vehicles...He was high up in Audi, so regularly had new cars. They ended up moving away.
QBee said:
I was listening to a senior forecsics exert talking on Radio 4 the other day.
She said it can take weeks to process DNA evidence, but the average juror is stunned when told this.
They are completely certain that it takes less than an hour........(because that's the length of the average police crime drama episode on TV).
They also fail to mention that it costs between $1,000 and $2,000 for the lab to conduct the test. She said it can take weeks to process DNA evidence, but the average juror is stunned when told this.
They are completely certain that it takes less than an hour........(because that's the length of the average police crime drama episode on TV).
Slightly off track but why do you think the average police officer can't be bothered with stolen car reports?
The answer is, even if we do arrest the f
kstick, the courts just hold the door open for them to leave.
https://www.koat.com/article/albuquerque-man-accus...
The answer is, even if we do arrest the f
kstick, the courts just hold the door open for them to leave.https://www.koat.com/article/albuquerque-man-accus...
Octoposse said:
I’m a Crime & Intelligence Analyst - been working in the same large town since coming over straight off the back of the Olympics in September 2012, on maternity cover.
The system reminds of that scene in “The Bridge at Remegan” where the German engineer discovers they haven’t got enough explosives and keeps repeating “key points only”!
Our priorities are inevitably Serious Violence (Domestic Abuse / Public Place / Sexual Violence), safeguarding and vulnerable people, Anti Social Behaviour hotspots. Huge amounts of time go on missing persons.
The entire system is threadbare. I used to meet monthly with Probation - always productive. Since then they’ve been split up, privatised, some CRCs went bust, de-privatised, re-organised. Haven’t seen them for years.
Ludicrous delays between offending and getting young people into court to get interventions in place - months and months.
No Youth Clubs for preventive work. Family Centres decimated. No ‘Cardiff Model’ data out of hospital EDs in the area since COVID.
So we concentrate on murder prevention, basically. Having said that, if we pick up a trend in anything else - cycle theft, catalytic converters, burglary, then we’ll flag it up, model it, and look for an intervention or identity likely suspects.
Interestingly, the most recent spike around here in theft-from vehicles, on people’s drives, is all down to Ring doorbells: people now know that someone’s been in their unlocked vehicle at three in the morning, whereas they just used to wonder where they’d misplaced their sunglasses / IPod / parking change . .
Only two years to retirement - I was settled, but am seriously tempted to do something else.
And people ignore this post and keep banging on about the police do nothing...... it's the whole system that is under funded.The system reminds of that scene in “The Bridge at Remegan” where the German engineer discovers they haven’t got enough explosives and keeps repeating “key points only”!
Our priorities are inevitably Serious Violence (Domestic Abuse / Public Place / Sexual Violence), safeguarding and vulnerable people, Anti Social Behaviour hotspots. Huge amounts of time go on missing persons.
The entire system is threadbare. I used to meet monthly with Probation - always productive. Since then they’ve been split up, privatised, some CRCs went bust, de-privatised, re-organised. Haven’t seen them for years.
Ludicrous delays between offending and getting young people into court to get interventions in place - months and months.
No Youth Clubs for preventive work. Family Centres decimated. No ‘Cardiff Model’ data out of hospital EDs in the area since COVID.
So we concentrate on murder prevention, basically. Having said that, if we pick up a trend in anything else - cycle theft, catalytic converters, burglary, then we’ll flag it up, model it, and look for an intervention or identity likely suspects.
Interestingly, the most recent spike around here in theft-from vehicles, on people’s drives, is all down to Ring doorbells: people now know that someone’s been in their unlocked vehicle at three in the morning, whereas they just used to wonder where they’d misplaced their sunglasses / IPod / parking change . .
Only two years to retirement - I was settled, but am seriously tempted to do something else.
Greendubber said:
We've seen them go quicker than that to be fair. I think the message of additional security measures is getting through now as more and more are being recovered, which in turn allows us to work out where they're ending up and help us work out who's taking them.
I was once the proud owner of a lovely 2016 Focus ST3, obviously keyless... I had a disklok, tracker, faraday bags, house alarm, CCTV and all was good. However the bloke around the corner with none of that had his taken from his driveway.
I think it's just a case of making your particular car a more difficult target than everyone else's.
Decent Abarths are targeted. Now at the showroom the salesman told me to protect/things to consider. I was once the proud owner of a lovely 2016 Focus ST3, obviously keyless... I had a disklok, tracker, faraday bags, house alarm, CCTV and all was good. However the bloke around the corner with none of that had his taken from his driveway.
I think it's just a case of making your particular car a more difficult target than everyone else's.
So I did. The police can't protect owners property if its left unlocked or sadly like modern vehicles certain marques are well known to theft. Saying there's cctv sadly means nothing. The three blokes I disrupted cutting a CAT on a drive had only their eyes showing.
There won't be any DNA unless somehow they cut themselves.
OP you mentioned that you had evidence what is it?
I agree some of it is funding. But there is my own experience even with evidence that police even with the right evidence that identifies a person that is trackable they cannot be arsed.
1) hit by an uninsured driver, number plates, insurance knows - knowingly uninsured vehicle and foreign driver - no follow up. They weren't even aware about the foreign bit, but had everything else.
2) Road rage incident - person identified via dashcam (no hoods or anything) and a numberplate of the vehicle in front that links back. No lines of enquiry
3) a PC driving like an idiot on a motorway the sergeant does nothing...again despite being on camera.
I must admit it has destroyed any faith I have in them and most of the time they do sod all. I am stunned when bmw steering wheels went missing they caught them, but had got to a level of at least 3 or so cars being targeted every few nights....
1) hit by an uninsured driver, number plates, insurance knows - knowingly uninsured vehicle and foreign driver - no follow up. They weren't even aware about the foreign bit, but had everything else.
2) Road rage incident - person identified via dashcam (no hoods or anything) and a numberplate of the vehicle in front that links back. No lines of enquiry
3) a PC driving like an idiot on a motorway the sergeant does nothing...again despite being on camera.
I must admit it has destroyed any faith I have in them and most of the time they do sod all. I am stunned when bmw steering wheels went missing they caught them, but had got to a level of at least 3 or so cars being targeted every few nights....
babelfish said:
Octoposse said:
I’m a Crime & Intelligence Analyst - been working in the same large town since coming over straight off the back of the Olympics in September 2012, on maternity cover.
The system reminds of that scene in “The Bridge at Remegan” where the German engineer discovers they haven’t got enough explosives and keeps repeating “key points only”!
Our priorities are inevitably Serious Violence (Domestic Abuse / Public Place / Sexual Violence), safeguarding and vulnerable people, Anti Social Behaviour hotspots. Huge amounts of time go on missing persons.
The entire system is threadbare. I used to meet monthly with Probation - always productive. Since then they’ve been split up, privatised, some CRCs went bust, de-privatised, re-organised. Haven’t seen them for years.
Ludicrous delays between offending and getting young people into court to get interventions in place - months and months.
No Youth Clubs for preventive work. Family Centres decimated. No ‘Cardiff Model’ data out of hospital EDs in the area since COVID.
So we concentrate on murder prevention, basically. Having said that, if we pick up a trend in anything else - cycle theft, catalytic converters, burglary, then we’ll flag it up, model it, and look for an intervention or identity likely suspects.
Interestingly, the most recent spike around here in theft-from vehicles, on people’s drives, is all down to Ring doorbells: people now know that someone’s been in their unlocked vehicle at three in the morning, whereas they just used to wonder where they’d misplaced their sunglasses / IPod / parking change . .
Only two years to retirement - I was settled, but am seriously tempted to do something else.
And people ignore this post and keep banging on about the police do nothing...... it's the whole system that is under funded.The system reminds of that scene in “The Bridge at Remegan” where the German engineer discovers they haven’t got enough explosives and keeps repeating “key points only”!
Our priorities are inevitably Serious Violence (Domestic Abuse / Public Place / Sexual Violence), safeguarding and vulnerable people, Anti Social Behaviour hotspots. Huge amounts of time go on missing persons.
The entire system is threadbare. I used to meet monthly with Probation - always productive. Since then they’ve been split up, privatised, some CRCs went bust, de-privatised, re-organised. Haven’t seen them for years.
Ludicrous delays between offending and getting young people into court to get interventions in place - months and months.
No Youth Clubs for preventive work. Family Centres decimated. No ‘Cardiff Model’ data out of hospital EDs in the area since COVID.
So we concentrate on murder prevention, basically. Having said that, if we pick up a trend in anything else - cycle theft, catalytic converters, burglary, then we’ll flag it up, model it, and look for an intervention or identity likely suspects.
Interestingly, the most recent spike around here in theft-from vehicles, on people’s drives, is all down to Ring doorbells: people now know that someone’s been in their unlocked vehicle at three in the morning, whereas they just used to wonder where they’d misplaced their sunglasses / IPod / parking change . .
Only two years to retirement - I was settled, but am seriously tempted to do something else.
Priorities.
gt_12345 said:
Dingu said:
Anyway, the actual answer to your question is probably funding. Both that of the police and that of other agencies which police spend lots of time picking up the slack for. Like mental health services.
Disagree.All this crime is from a breakdown in society (coupled with importation of.........). Advanced countries shouldn't have to keep spending money to keep citizens behaving, they should want to behave.
carlo996 said:
Dingu said:
Speed cameras typically aren’t police funded. HTH.
Are the Police responsible for literally anything 
Knife crime, violent crime, burglary….all someone else’s problem as well? It’s a joke.
This isn't Minority Report.
carlo996 said:
Dingu said:
Speed cameras typically aren’t police funded. HTH.
Are the Police responsible for literally anything Knife crime, violent crime, burglary….all someone else’s problem as well? It’s a joke.
If the courts release someone is that the police fault?
Greendubber said:
How are the police responsible for someone carrying a knife?
This isn't Minority Report.
Because, as you would know, this is their mission statement.This isn't Minority Report.
Our mission is to keep London safe for everyone. To do so we will:
1. Focus on what matters most to Londoners.
2. Work more closely with partners and the public.
3. Achieve the best outcomes in the pursuit of justice and in the support of victims.
I thick you can see the fundamental issue?
havoc said:
EdmondDantes said:
My neighbours had two brand new Audi q7’s stolen and a week later they came back and stole a Rs6 and S7.
He was high up in Audi, so regularly had new cars. They ended up moving away.
You'd think he'd add more security to the house? But presumably didn't care, as they were company vehicles...He was high up in Audi, so regularly had new cars. They ended up moving away.
t the security is on their cars and that improving it might be a good idea.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff