Why is car crime unpunished/ unpoliced?

[Greendubber]

carlo996 said:

Greendubber said:

How are the police responsible for someone carrying a knife?

This isn't Minority Report.

Because, as you would know, this is their mission statement.

Our mission is to keep London safe for everyone. To do so we will:

1. Focus on what matters most to Londoners.
2. Work more closely with partners and the public.
3. Achieve the best outcomes in the pursuit of justice and in the support of victims.

I thick you can see the fundamental issue?

So Jimmy stbag decides to grab his zombie knife and go out and nick some iPhones off commuters. How are the police going to stop him doing it?

All they can do it preventative stuff, stop and search, be in an area but ultimately they can't. The responsibility for the offence is the person doing it, the police can try their best to mitigate them but ultimately they aren't mind readers. That's why we never have and never will have a crime free society.

So based on that, how are the police or anyone else responsible for Jimmy stbags actions and how do you suggest he's stopped?

[havoc]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Invest in spectacles and some road craft?

Says the superman who can clearly identify a white camera-van parked on the side of the road half a mile away, or around a bend.

That really was a petty little comment.

[Greendubber]

havoc said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Invest in spectacles and some road craft?

Says the superman who can clearly identify a white camera-van parked on the side of the road half a mile away, or around a bend.

That really was a petty little comment.

Not really, it's basic common sense and works for an awul lot of people. As does a knowledge of the speed limit, numerous camera and limit signs.

You're rolling the dice every time you speed with regard to getting caught, yet it seems people like to moan about actually being caught as it's never their fault. Meh, that's been done to death and off topic anyway.

[carlo996]

Greendubber said:

So Jimmy stbag decides to grab his zombie knife and go out and nick some iPhones off commuters. How are the police going to stop him doing it?

All they can do it preventative stuff, stop and search, be in an area but ultimately they can't. The responsibility for the offence is the person doing it, the police can try their best to mitigate them but ultimately they aren't mind readers. That's why we never have and never will have a crime free society.

So based on that, how are the police or anyone else responsible for Jimmy stbags actions and how do you suggest he's stopped?

Isn’t this what you and yours get paid to figure out? Do you know all business and organisations have constraints, it’s not a unique problem that the Police face.

With that in mind I’ll say it’s just piss poor management.

[Greendubber]

carlo996 said:

Greendubber said:

So Jimmy stbag decides to grab his zombie knife and go out and nick some iPhones off commuters. How are the police going to stop him doing it?

All they can do it preventative stuff, stop and search, be in an area but ultimately they can't. The responsibility for the offence is the person doing it, the police can try their best to mitigate them but ultimately they aren't mind readers. That's why we never have and never will have a crime free society.

So based on that, how are the police or anyone else responsible for Jimmy stbags actions and how do you suggest he's stopped?

Isn’t this what you and yours get paid to figure out? Do you know all business and organisations have constraints, it’s not a unique problem that the Police face.

With that in mind I’ll say it’s just piss poor management.

As expected you have no idea.

Unless you want a cop outside everyone's door searching them when they leave their house of course?

[Bigends]

Back in the bad old days of targets set by the home office, forces had no choice but to investigate and detect vehicle crime or get it in the neck at the end of he year

[vonhosen]

Bigends said:

Back in the bad old days of targets set by the home office, forces had no choice but to investigate and detect vehicle crime or get it in the neck at the end of he year

You can set all the targets you like, if there is more demand than resources they aren't going to get met.
Look at ambulance service response targets.

[Bigends]

vonhosen said:

Bigends said:

Back in the bad old days of targets set by the home office, forces had no choice but to investigate and detect vehicle crime or get it in the neck at the end of he year

You can set all the targets you like, if there is more demand than resources they aren't going to get met.
Look at ambulance service response targets.

Agreed but i'm referring to 'back then' not now when those targets were invariably met. Others have posted about an epidemic of car crime in the 80's and 90's which is clearly why the home office wanted action taken. If the targets didnt exist, then as per now, the majority of reports would have been binned at the point of report .

Edited by Bigends on Sunday 19th March 12:48

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

vonhosen said:

Bigends said:

Back in the bad old days of targets set by the home office, forces had no choice but to investigate and detect vehicle crime or get it in the neck at the end of he year

You can set all the targets you like, if there is more demand than resources they aren't going to get met.
Look at ambulance service response targets.

Agreed but i'm referring to 'back then' not now when those targets were invariably met. Others have posted about an epidemic of car crime in the 80's and 90's which is clearly why the home office wanted action taken. If the targets didnt exist, then as per now, the majority of reports would have been binned at the point of report .

Edited by Bigends on Sunday 19th March 12:48

Invariably met, where they, really? I'd have though they were fudged TBH.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

Bigends said:

vonhosen said:

Bigends said:

Back in the bad old days of targets set by the home office, forces had no choice but to investigate and detect vehicle crime or get it in the neck at the end of he year

You can set all the targets you like, if there is more demand than resources they aren't going to get met.
Look at ambulance service response targets.

Agreed but i'm referring to 'back then' not now when those targets were invariably met. Others have posted about an epidemic of car crime in the 80's and 90's which is clearly why the home office wanted action taken. If the targets didnt exist, then as per now, the majority of reports would have been binned at the point of report .

Edited by Bigends on Sunday 19th March 12:48

Invariably met, where they, really? I'd have though they were fudged TBH.

Either way - they were met - every scene attended ad every vehicle SOCO'd - clearly not possible nowadays. Either way, target setting is no way to do business - just leads to corruption, however the public perception was that they were getting a service

[Hugo Stiglitz]

carlo996 said:

Greendubber said:

How are the police responsible for someone carrying a knife?

This isn't Minority Report.

Because, as you would know, this is their mission statement.

Our mission is to keep London safe for everyone. To do so we will:

1. Focus on what matters most to Londoners.
2. Work more closely with partners and the public.
3. Achieve the best outcomes in the pursuit of justice and in the support of victims.

I thick you can see the fundamental issue?

I'm missing something here or you are..

[Hugo Stiglitz]

havoc said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Invest in spectacles and some road craft?

Says the superman who can clearly identify a white camera-van parked on the side of the road half a mile away, or around a bend.

That really was a petty little comment.

Ok. I've been called 'the brake brigade' on PH alot over the years.

You get 3 points. You think, whoa I'll stick to the limits now. Its not hard. Part of driving swiftly/making progress is scanning hedgerows, the road sweeping down the hill in the distance scanning back and forth. You don't 'go round a bend and a camera is there'. If your flying into a blind bend on a NSL over the limit during the day with potentially cyclists, cars etc then you have questionable judgement.

You also look well ahead, if you see people braking in weird places then you think might be a camera? Is there a hazard? (That's what you really should be thinking).

You pick your times, you manage risk; if its a road that you arent familiar with why would you be going over a NSL anyway?. Camera vans catch people out who are at the limit of their sensory ability, i.e you are overloaded with information and simply miss the signs and the resulting cameras or vans.... I.e. not the 'unlucky'. Its those that think buying a quick car is complimenting their awesome driving skills.

I've said this before I still remember ten pence shorts experience. That was a really sobering read.

If you are doing well over 70 on a motorway why aren't you scanning all the bridges? If you can't see that far check your prescription is it in date? Again travelling at speed requires alot more than plant accelerator and just check your in lane.

I'm a 'ok' driver and a very average motorcyclist. It's about understanding your ability. I ride very slow as I simply can not process information fast enough like I can in a car but if you asked me what was going on I could tell you instantly what was occurring around me 360degrees as I scan continously and watch other drivers habits.

[Yellowfez]

In London car crime is really out of control and it’s only down to one thing, no police anywhere, even when out and about driving you hardly see a cop car, especially at night, however, jump on the motorway and you will see loads of trafpol, my own car was stolen from London, police never came out , never chased any of my own leads, in the end, I plastered it all over social media and someone messaged me on IG and told me it was parked on their road in Manchester, I rang the police but they had nobody able to recover it so I did it myself, there was loads of incriminating stuff all over the car so I bagged it up and gave it to my local police station, guess what never heard a thing !

[Niponeoff]

I was tanking it the other week when I spotted a grey van at the side of the road, so slammed on the anchors and yep, it was a speed check van thingy.

Was convinced I got caught.

That was 18 days ago now, so I think I dodged that bullet. Hopefully.

I thought the buggers were supposed to be white?

[vonhosen]

Yellowfez said:

In London car crime is really out of control and it’s only down to one thing, no police anywhere, even when out and about driving you hardly see a cop car, especially at night, however, jump on the motorway and you will see loads of trafpol, my own car was stolen from London, police never came out , never chased any of my own leads, in the end, I plastered it all over social media and someone messaged me on IG and told me it was parked on their road in Manchester, I rang the police but they had nobody able to recover it so I did it myself, there was loads of incriminating stuff all over the car so I bagged it up and gave it to my local police station, guess what never heard a thing !

Really?

I see far more Police driving around in London than I do on my regular motorway jaunts. I only see the odd Highways Agency Traffic Officer on the motorway. I see more ambulances on blue lights on the motorway than Police cars.

[DodgyGeezer]

Yellowfez said:

In London car crime is really out of control and it’s only down to one thing, no police anywhere, even when out and about driving you hardly see a cop car, especially at night, however, jump on the motorway and you will see loads of trafpol, my own car was stolen from London, police never came out , never chased any of my own leads, in the end, I plastered it all over social media and someone messaged me on IG and told me it was parked on their road in Manchester, I rang the police but they had nobody able to recover it so I did it myself, there was loads of incriminating stuff all over the car so I bagged it up and gave it to my local police station, guess what never heard a thing !

to be fair you giving in evidence really doesn't help - there's no proof that what you've collected is actually genuine (aka you could be trying to fit-up your dhead next-door-neighbour/your ex etc etc)

[havoc]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Ok. I've been called 'the brake brigade' on PH alot over the years.

You get 3 points. You think, whoa I'll stick to the limits now. Its not hard. Part of driving swiftly/making progress is scanning hedgerows, the road sweeping down the hill in the distance scanning back and forth. You don't 'go round a bend and a camera is there'. If your flying into a blind bend on a NSL over the limit during the day with potentially cyclists, cars etc then you have questionable judgement.

You also look well ahead, if you see people braking in weird places then you think might be a camera? Is there a hazard? (That's what you really should be thinking).

You pick your times, you manage risk; if its a road that you arent familiar with why would you be going over a NSL anyway?. Camera vans catch people out who are at the limit of their sensory ability, i.e you are overloaded with information and simply miss the signs and the resulting cameras or vans.... I.e. not the 'unlucky'. Its those that think buying a quick car is complimenting their awesome driving skills.

I've said this before I still remember ten pence shorts experience. That was a really sobering read.

If you are doing well over 70 on a motorway why aren't you scanning all the bridges? If you can't see that far check your prescription is it in date? Again travelling at speed requires alot more than plant accelerator and just check your in lane.

I'm a 'ok' driver and a very average motorcyclist. It's about understanding your ability. I ride very slow as I simply can not process information fast enough like I can in a car but if you asked me what was going on I could tell you instantly what was occurring around me 360degrees as I scan continously and watch other drivers habits.

I was waiting for the bits in bold. And the first is wrong-headed, the second is badly idealistic.

M40, daylight, you're rounding a bend which you could take safely in a boggo hatchback at 100mph, and a bridge comes into view 500-600 yards away...complete with van atop it. if you're doing >80mph, it's got you. You have SO much grip and braking capacity to spare vs what you need that you're not a danger to anyone, and yet there you go, 3pts!
(Not me, but people I know. M5 even moreso)

Wide-open A-roads - same principle - you're not done 'hooning around a blind bend', you're done because they've sited themselves on a nice, wide, fast road where people CAN exceed the posted limit safely, so they'll get more hits.

I agree to a degree about picking your times...but there are plenty of roads in this country where the posted limit is a joke, and there is zero risk to anything except your licence. I also agree about observing other road users - good habit regardless.

...and I know (knew) Dan - used to go on a few club meets and drive-outs back in the day. He wasn't a dangerous driver, or a ridiculously fast one (there were always a few utter tts...a couple who led charmed lives, and one chap who found his limits the hard way in an S2000 with the roof down, and has to live with what it's done to him)...just one moment of bad judgement + bad luck combined.

[carlo996]

Greendubber said:

As expected you have no idea.

Unless you want a cop outside everyone's door searching them when they leave their house of course?

You're part of the problem, your comments are to be expected really.

[Greendubber]

carlo996 said:

Greendubber said:

As expected you have no idea.

Unless you want a cop outside everyone's door searching them when they leave their house of course?

You're part of the problem, your comments are to be expected really.

One of knows what they're talking about, it's not you unfortunately. You're just ducking the question I asked you so I'll leave you to it.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

carlo996 said:

Greendubber said:

As expected you have no idea.

Unless you want a cop outside everyone's door searching them when they leave their house of course?

You're part of the problem, your comments are to be expected really.

Yes he is. He needs to search everyone on their doorstep. Off to work on the tube? Sorry Sir I need to search your briefcase.