Chris Kaba Shooting

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gt_12345

1,873 posts

34 months

Friday 31st March 2023
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Greendubber said:
nordboy said:
Non story

IOPC do the investigation, then the CPS HAVE to be sent the file to make the decision in cases like these. Totally normal.
Exactly, sadly some folks don't realise that and are using it to push their agendas.
Yeah, the BBC. Surprise surprise.

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Friday 31st March 2023
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Dingu said:
I think there is a lot of jumping to conclusions from people based on the person shot and the idea that the police must be good. The Met have a long and ignominious history of treating certain groups very poorly so when they pursue someone using an unmarked car without lights or siren and end up shooting them dead it’s right that it is thoroughly investigated.

We can’t live in a country where people are shot dead based on solely an ANPR marker so getting to the bottom of what happened and why is critical. I’m generally supportive of the police but the idea that incidents like this shouldn’t go through the full process is nonsense.
Why present half the story?

There were marked cars and uniformed officers involved. He wasn't shot dead solely because of a marker. He was shot because of his actions that day.

The family got to see the bodycam footage early on and decided to take a step back having seen it.

gt_12345

1,873 posts

34 months

Friday 31st March 2023
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Greendubber said:
She really is a fool.


You could successfully run a country just by asking for her opinion and doing the opposite every time.

ED209

5,740 posts

243 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
So you have to ask - why do they volunteer to do it?
Because 99.9999999% of the time it’s a much better job that being a response cop and being run ragged every single shift.

Hugo Stiglitz

37,010 posts

210 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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ED209 said:
Sheepshanks said:
So you have to ask - why do they volunteer to do it?
Because 99.9999999% of the time it’s a much better job that being a response cop and being run ragged every single shift.
I wouldn't do it for all the tea in China. People think its awesome carrying a pistol but there's so many ways that it can go wrong. The job throws you well and truly under the bus and will actively go after you for months or years.

I also question how some would cope if someone tried taking a fire arm off them.

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Saturday 1st April 09:44

croyde

22,701 posts

229 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Having read on here that he was attempting to get out of the police boxing in, with marked cars, says a lot about the driver.

Lawless, violent, complete disregard for others safety.

I've been stopped by the police countless times, here and when guns have been pointed at me in Mexico and China.

You do as they say, simples!

Yes, I know there have been cases of suspects still being shot when they've put their hands up but you just have a much better chance of staying alive if you immediately do as you are told.

Just tired of hearing about police violence when arresting and then you see the video of the suspect violently struggling, fighting back, ramming vehicles etc

A bit Darwin if you ask me.

Geffg

1,113 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Driving at a copper or trying to ram your way out of a road block with police pointing a gun at you surely isn’t the best idea. Well certainly wasn’t his best decision anyway. The “ normal “ person doesn’t take chase and try to ram through police cars. If he’d of complied he’d still be here. Probably no great loss though as he wasn’t exactly a role model for others. Shame for his kids but what would he of brought them up like?
As has been said, he didn’t just get shot for doing nothing, he posed a danger to the police and if he’d of got through the road block potentially a danger to the public being chased. It’s all well and good people complaining that criminals shouldn’t be chased etc but then complain about all the crime and the police do nothing.They can’t win.

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.

Trevatanus

11,109 posts

149 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
I’ve not seen much of the detail on this, as I am not sure a lot has been released. However, if an armed officer is fearful for his safety as was the case here, and he chooses to stop the target, he is going to shoot him, he was shot through the windscreen, the only thing that the officer would have a clear shot of was his head, a fatal shot

WolvesWill

150 posts

148 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
There's a big difference in the level of threat between deliberately driving at an officer in foot, and deliberately driving at a police vehicle, given the protection afford to the occupants by the vehicle itself.

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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ED209 said:
Sheepshanks said:
So you have to ask - why do they volunteer to do it?
Because 99.9999999% of the time it’s a much better job that being a response cop and being run ragged every single shift.
Exactly why you dont see firearms tickets being handed in en-masse when potential prosecution decisions similar to this case are made.

nipsips

1,163 posts

134 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Personally I’d rather a criminal shot dead who’s prepared to escape at any cost by ramming marked police vehicles than that driver allowed to flee through a residential road potentially harming MOP’s etc.

Maybe if more criminals were shot dead it would be a deterrent to actually follow the law rather than an easy prison sentence and out to repeat.

SteveKTMer

722 posts

30 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.

Geffg

1,113 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed.

SteveKTMer

722 posts

30 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Geffg said:
SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed.
That person got out of the car and chose to position him/her self in front of the car. That's part of the failure in managing the incident. Why would you get out of a car and stand in front of somebody who was ramming your car ?

The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.

nordboy

1,439 posts

49 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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SteveKTMer said:
CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
So you don't think a using a vehicle as a weapon is the same as using a knife or gun?? Ok, so where exactly can I get tickets to come and live in your world please?

Still doesn't change the fact that if he had complied with the officers commands, he'd most probably still be alive today. It's called personal responsibility and there is very much a serious lack of this in society today.



Edited by nordboy on Saturday 1st April 15:13


Edited by nordboy on Saturday 1st April 15:13

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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SteveKTMer said:
CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
But what if the officer is not in a car & is standing outside?
If the driver of a car is the ramming out & in the direction of that officer, surely there is an immediate threat to that officer.
You aren't just limited to protecting your own or another's life from only gun & knife threats.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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SteveKTMer said:
Geffg said:
SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed.
That person got out of the car and chose to position him/her self in front of the car. That's part of the failure in managing the incident. Why would you get out of a car and stand in front of somebody who was ramming your car ?

The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
We expect Police officers to put themselves in harms way.
We expect them to apprehend those with guns, knives, bombs or any other weapons. You can't do that without there being some risk to yourself.
Firearms officers are given guns so that they can protect themselves when doing that.

Rushjob

1,843 posts

257 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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SteveKTMer said:
That person got out of the car and chose to position him/her self in front of the car. That's part of the failure in managing the incident. Why would you get out of a car and stand in front of somebody who was ramming your car ?

The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
Tell me you're a manager without telling me you're a manager......

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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SteveKTMer said:
Geffg said:
SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed.
That person got out of the car and chose to position him/her self in front of the car. That's part of the failure in managing the incident. Why would you get out of a car and stand in front of somebody who was ramming your car ?

The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
It was all captured on the police body cameras, and shown to the family. They stepped back from any publicity after seeing it so what do you think is suspicious?

You would think the family would be looking for more publicity if the police were in the wrong.