Chris Kaba Shooting
Discussion
Dingu said:
I think there is a lot of jumping to conclusions from people based on the person shot and the idea that the police must be good. The Met have a long and ignominious history of treating certain groups very poorly so when they pursue someone using an unmarked car without lights or siren and end up shooting them dead it’s right that it is thoroughly investigated.
We can’t live in a country where people are shot dead based on solely an ANPR marker so getting to the bottom of what happened and why is critical. I’m generally supportive of the police but the idea that incidents like this shouldn’t go through the full process is nonsense.
Why present half the story?We can’t live in a country where people are shot dead based on solely an ANPR marker so getting to the bottom of what happened and why is critical. I’m generally supportive of the police but the idea that incidents like this shouldn’t go through the full process is nonsense.
There were marked cars and uniformed officers involved. He wasn't shot dead solely because of a marker. He was shot because of his actions that day.
The family got to see the bodycam footage early on and decided to take a step back having seen it.
ED209 said:
Sheepshanks said:
So you have to ask - why do they volunteer to do it?
Because 99.9999999% of the time it’s a much better job that being a response cop and being run ragged every single shift. I also question how some would cope if someone tried taking a fire arm off them.
Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Saturday 1st April 09:44
Having read on here that he was attempting to get out of the police boxing in, with marked cars, says a lot about the driver.
Lawless, violent, complete disregard for others safety.
I've been stopped by the police countless times, here and when guns have been pointed at me in Mexico and China.
You do as they say, simples!
Yes, I know there have been cases of suspects still being shot when they've put their hands up but you just have a much better chance of staying alive if you immediately do as you are told.
Just tired of hearing about police violence when arresting and then you see the video of the suspect violently struggling, fighting back, ramming vehicles etc
A bit Darwin if you ask me.
Lawless, violent, complete disregard for others safety.
I've been stopped by the police countless times, here and when guns have been pointed at me in Mexico and China.
You do as they say, simples!
Yes, I know there have been cases of suspects still being shot when they've put their hands up but you just have a much better chance of staying alive if you immediately do as you are told.
Just tired of hearing about police violence when arresting and then you see the video of the suspect violently struggling, fighting back, ramming vehicles etc
A bit Darwin if you ask me.
Driving at a copper or trying to ram your way out of a road block with police pointing a gun at you surely isn’t the best idea. Well certainly wasn’t his best decision anyway. The “ normal “ person doesn’t take chase and try to ram through police cars. If he’d of complied he’d still be here. Probably no great loss though as he wasn’t exactly a role model for others. Shame for his kids but what would he of brought them up like?
As has been said, he didn’t just get shot for doing nothing, he posed a danger to the police and if he’d of got through the road block potentially a danger to the public being chased. It’s all well and good people complaining that criminals shouldn’t be chased etc but then complain about all the crime and the police do nothing.They can’t win.
As has been said, he didn’t just get shot for doing nothing, he posed a danger to the police and if he’d of got through the road block potentially a danger to the public being chased. It’s all well and good people complaining that criminals shouldn’t be chased etc but then complain about all the crime and the police do nothing.They can’t win.
CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
I’ve not seen much of the detail on this, as I am not sure a lot has been released. However, if an armed officer is fearful for his safety as was the case here, and he chooses to stop the target, he is going to shoot him, he was shot through the windscreen, the only thing that the officer would have a clear shot of was his head, a fatal shotCoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
There's a big difference in the level of threat between deliberately driving at an officer in foot, and deliberately driving at a police vehicle, given the protection afford to the occupants by the vehicle itself.ED209 said:
Sheepshanks said:
So you have to ask - why do they volunteer to do it?
Because 99.9999999% of the time it’s a much better job that being a response cop and being run ragged every single shift. Personally I’d rather a criminal shot dead who’s prepared to escape at any cost by ramming marked police vehicles than that driver allowed to flee through a residential road potentially harming MOP’s etc.
Maybe if more criminals were shot dead it would be a deterrent to actually follow the law rather than an easy prison sentence and out to repeat.
Maybe if more criminals were shot dead it would be a deterrent to actually follow the law rather than an easy prison sentence and out to repeat.
CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time. SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed. Geffg said:
SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed. The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
SteveKTMer said:
CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time. Still doesn't change the fact that if he had complied with the officers commands, he'd most probably still be alive today. It's called personal responsibility and there is very much a serious lack of this in society today.
Edited by nordboy on Saturday 1st April 15:13
Edited by nordboy on Saturday 1st April 15:13
SteveKTMer said:
CoolHands said:
But no matter how badly behaved he was surely getting shot and killed is not appropriate. He didn’t have a gun. We see scrotes driving dangerously all the time inc ramming on police action programmes.
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time. If the driver of a car is the ramming out & in the direction of that officer, surely there is an immediate threat to that officer.
You aren't just limited to protecting your own or another's life from only gun & knife threats.
SteveKTMer said:
Geffg said:
SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed. The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
We expect them to apprehend those with guns, knives, bombs or any other weapons. You can't do that without there being some risk to yourself.
Firearms officers are given guns so that they can protect themselves when doing that.
SteveKTMer said:
That person got out of the car and chose to position him/her self in front of the car. That's part of the failure in managing the incident. Why would you get out of a car and stand in front of somebody who was ramming your car ?
The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
Tell me you're a manager without telling me you're a manager......The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
SteveKTMer said:
Geffg said:
SteveKTMer said:
Absolutely, killing a driver isn't warranted despite all the usual pleas from the PH wannabe plod armed guard. If he pointed a gun at them or had at least a knife and was lunging towards one, then perhaps it's justified. But if just ramming a car was seen as sufficient reason to kill an unarmed man then it's obvious there was a serious fault with the operation at that time.
He wasn’t just going to ram a car though was he, the copper was in front of the car, so he’d of potentially killed the copper. Who would you rather die, the innocent copper doing his job or some horrible scrote who amounts to nothing and probably never would’ve. Id rather all the scrotes go round and kill each other as long as no innocent people get harmed. The police report is very suspicious, the plod are not usually that daft. Their failure to manage the incident is not sufficient reason to kill the driver.
You would think the family would be looking for more publicity if the police were in the wrong.
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