Towing Limits.

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r.fensome

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242 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Do commercial vehicles have higher towing limits ?

My car (Mondeo Estate) can legally tow upto its kerbside weight (1600kg)

Today, saw a Peugeot Boxer beavertail recovery truck with a large Peugeot EV strapped on the back and towing a large triple axle car trailer with a Range Rover on.

Surely that was grossly overloaded ?

LimmerickLad

3,333 posts

26 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Dunno but that's some lurking you've been doing scratchchin

LunarOne

6,065 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th March
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I can't answer but top lurking!

chrisch77

773 posts

86 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Quite likely overloaded without the trailer, assuming the beaver tail is a typical 3.5T GVW version. Likely committing other offences too like Tachograph requirement for commercial haulage over 3.5T.

LunarOne

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148 months

Wednesday 12th March
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r.fensome said:
Lurking ??????
You registered on the site over 20 years ago but have stayed completely silent until now.

r.fensome

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Wednesday 12th March
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Ohhh, I joined many years ago and got on with life and literally just resurrected my account today.

Funky Squirrel

409 posts

83 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Definitely overloaded, a range rover on a triple axle will be north of 3.5t.

Ganglandboss

8,406 posts

214 months

Wednesday 12th March
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The towing limit will be 3,500kg maximum, assuming it is a standard 50mm tow ball, as that is the limit of that type of hitch. Plenty of vehicles can tow that sort of weight, including my Disco 3. The Range Rover will weigh anything up to around 2,800 kg, so you need to consider the weight of the trailer and its capacity.

As I understand it, they will require a C1E licence to drive a vehicle up to 7,500kg, with a trailer over 750kg, or CE if heavier. The combined Maximum Authorised Mass cannot exceed 12,000kg.

There are a lot of recovery trucks on the road that are only rated up to 3,500kg, and often they are ridiculously over-weighted.

r.fensome

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242 months

Wednesday 12th March
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I guessed it likely was especially as EV's a notoriously heavy compared to an ICE car anyway.

BertBert

20,093 posts

222 months

Wednesday 12th March
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according to the internet a RR weights between 2.2 and 2.8T. If the trailer weights 1t unladen, the total might be less than 3.5T

r.fensome

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242 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Does the fact the towing vehicle had a very heavy EV load on the back not make any difference ?

AyBee

10,808 posts

213 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Depends what the train weight limit is I think as well as the individual rated weight of the transporter. Some are 3.5T and some that look exactly the same are 7.5T...

drmike37

531 posts

67 months

Wednesday 12th March
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You can get a 4.5t Boxer, so the ev on the back may well be ok. Tow weight is only 2.5t so certainly over in that respect.

paul_c123

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4 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Unless you stop the vehicle and look at its weight plate; then also weigh it at a weighbridge, you can't be sure its overweight. Same for the tacho requirement, there's exemptions which means it could be legal without; and it could have had one fitted. I imagine most commercial vehicles with a towbar, used for business use, also have a tacho since its needed half the time (unless exempt).

alabbasi

2,855 posts

98 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Towing capacity is the gross combined weight of the vehicle minus weight of the vehicle

Weight of a range rover is 5000lbs. The gross combined weight is around 15000lbs. This means it can tow up to 10,000. Easily another range rover on a trailer.

R6tty

594 posts

26 months

Wednesday 12th March
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What's a lbs?

R6tty

594 posts

26 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Mathewsons surprise me with what they tow, but I'm sure they're legal.

paul_c123

218 posts

4 months

Wednesday 12th March
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alabbasi said:
Towing capacity is the gross combined weight of the vehicle minus weight of the vehicle
Not necessarily - there will also be a max towing weight; and of course, you need to be <3500kgs to use a ball hitch and overrun brakes.


alabbasi said:
Weight of a range rover is 5000lbs. The gross combined weight is around 15000lbs. This means it can tow up to 10,000. Easily another range rover on a trailer.
The tow vehicle in question is a Peugeot Boxer, not a Range Rover. I think you're getting mixed up here.

mdk1

495 posts

220 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Used to drive an Iveco that was plated 7.5t with a 3.5t towing capacity. Ran with a tacho.
Was fun when you had a RR Sport on the bed and a FF RR on the trailer. Had a few good chats with DVSA over the years, particularly the guys up by Peterbough on the A1 was pulled the first time and as they walked across the spotted the double wheels on the back of the Iveco, and said “Bo11ocks your 7.5t”
After they go through everything I was on my way in under an hour, over the coming months I was pulled a further couple of times, always the same guys, then the next occasion was about to get pulled and as they past the looked across at me, saw it was me and just waved and turned the lights off.

paul_c123

218 posts

4 months

Wednesday 12th March
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It does seem the Iveco Daily is a popular choice for those who operate with a beavertail + trailer (2 car transport). I am wondering whether the OP saw an Iveco and misidentified it as a Pug Boxer.