Car being deliberately blocked in when parked on a road
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saaby93 said:
I deleted that as I got fed up with arguing the same thing 
You're either pro road or youre not
Roads are for free movement people goods services, getting from A to B access etc.
If everyone decided to use them as a car park as in your link we'd be in a right pickle.
Theyre supposed to be for public use, which means everyone not just those who've moved in next to them.
Anyway Ive posted that a few times now, some people have posted same, others prefer the car park angle.
We're doomed I tell you, we're doomed
You seem to have a particularly narrow and blinkered view of this issue...I can't be bothered to argue the toss against your position (which in its extreme view is bordering on the ridiculous), but suffice to say that it just isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is. I find myself wondering if the numbers in your screen name refer not to a model of Saab but rather your birth year, or your age - either extreme providing a good explanation of some of the drivel you've come out with in a couple of threads this week.You're either pro road or youre not
Roads are for free movement people goods services, getting from A to B access etc.
If everyone decided to use them as a car park as in your link we'd be in a right pickle.
Theyre supposed to be for public use, which means everyone not just those who've moved in next to them.
Anyway Ive posted that a few times now, some people have posted same, others prefer the car park angle.
We're doomed I tell you, we're doomed
A question to those who agree with the neighbours that the OP is being unreasonable...
When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
MrsMiggins said:
A question to those who agree with the neighbours that the OP is being unreasonable...
When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm not sure anyones on the side of the OP's neighbours? They had off road parking but they've fenced it off and are now using the road as their space.When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
In these places no-one dictates but as in the photo everyone else is trying to keep the street clear. Do they prefer it like that or not?
We need to ask them
MrsMiggins said:
A question to those who agree with the neighbours that the OP is being unreasonable...
When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
I support the OP, since I hadasimilar experience this week of neighbours with off street parking, parking their car outside a rented property i own.When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
The street where the property is, a Bristol conservation area, has several properties with off street parking, some of the owners of these properties have either requested planning permission, and been refused, others who have simply created off street parking without requesting planning permission. In my talks with the council, i have been left in no doubt that should i apply for planning permission, firstly asa tenanted/commercial property i will have to pay £295 for the application, and secondly there is no doubt the application will be turned down.
So forward to earlier this week, three properties with off street parking, had empty spaces on their drives, with thei vehicles parked outside other properties, including mine, had have no off street parking. These neighbours not only restrict/reduce parking spaces by their off street parking drives, but then reduce parking spaces further, by parking their vehicles in the limited parking spaces on the road.
saaby93 said:
MrsMiggins said:
A question to those who agree with the neighbours that the OP is being unreasonable...
When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm not sure anyones on the side of the OP's neighbours? They had off road parking but they've fenced it off and are now using the road as their space.When you drive somewhere and park up does that ever result in you parking your car on the street? If so, isn't it likely that you too are guilty of the same 'offence' as the OP? Is it really your argument that people who live in a street should be able to dictate who is allowed to park on it, even in the absence of any parking restrictions? Where does it end?
OP, I hope your muppet neighbours come to their senses, but I won't hold my breath.
In these places no-one dictates but as in the photo everyone else is trying to keep the street clear. Do they prefer it like that or not?
We need to ask them
And how do you know that "everyone else is trying to keep the street clear"? You are ascribing motives to their actions that you can't know. I park my motorbike off the road because it's less likely to be stolen or bumped. It's all about what's best for me and sod all to do with keeping anything clear for anyone else. I suspect in most cases when people park in their driveways they do it for their own benefit, and not some altruistic effort at traffic management.
saaby93 said:
MrsMiggins said:
I suspect in most cases when people park in their driveways they do it for their own benefit, and not some altruistic effort at traffic management.
Would it be interesting to take a poll on that one? I suspect it's a bit of both and depends on the type of road?saaby93 said:
MrsMiggins said:
I suspect in most cases when people park in their driveways they do it for their own benefit, and not some altruistic effort at traffic management.
Would it be interesting to take a poll on that one? I suspect it's a bit of both and depends on the type of road?More chance of some muppet hitting it parked on the road.
jeff666 said:
I dont think a poll is necessary, why would you park your car on the road if you had a drive/ garage ?
More chance of some muppet hitting it parked on the road.
OPs neighbours are doing it - to grab their own space in the road?More chance of some muppet hitting it parked on the road.
or to prevent someone else parking there?
How long do I need to be here as a sounding board
saaby93 said:
jeff666 said:
I dont think a poll is necessary, why would you park your car on the road if you had a drive/ garage ?
More chance of some muppet hitting it parked on the road.
OPs neighbours are doing it - to grab their own space in the road?More chance of some muppet hitting it parked on the road.
or to prevent someone else parking there?
How long do I need to be here as a sounding board
I'm not the only one to notice this bizarre behaviour, as my neighbour on the other side mentioned it to me the other day. The most bizarre thing is that there is plenty of parking around here, they just want the space right outside their house.
saaby93 said:
OPs neighbours are doing it - to grab their own space in the road?
or to prevent someone else parking there?
How long do I need to be here as a sounding board
See, that's the problem right there.or to prevent someone else parking there?
How long do I need to be here as a sounding board
1. it's not their own space, it's a public road and anyone can park there. If someone else gets there first then that's just tough.
2. To prevent someone else parking there? See answer 1.
ETA, as HEREBEMONSTERS notes above, his neighbours 'get there first'. It's a bit odd, but if it floats their boat then crack on. Totally different to blocking someone in as an intimidation tactic to stake a claim on something they have no special rights to.
Edited by MrsMiggins on Wednesday 22 December 22:59
MrsMiggins said:
1. it's not their own space, it's a public road and anyone can park there. If someone else gets there first then that's just tough.
2. To prevent someone else parking there? See answer 1.
When they realise someone is parking there regularly ( and not knowing what time it's going to start and move off or as with your bike theyve got the worry of waking up in the middle of the night to someone bumping into it they think, blow this we might as well park there ourselves.2. To prevent someone else parking there? See answer 1.
Before you know it the whole street has started parking in the road ( see herebemonsters)- not illegal but is it a good idea? What are roads for?
So what should Muncher do before mutually assured retaliation sets in?
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 22 December 23:10
saaby93 said:
MrsMiggins said:
1. it's not their own space, it's a public road and anyone can park there. If someone else gets there first then that's just tough.
2. To prevent someone else parking there? See answer 1.
When they realise someone is parking there regularly ( and not knowing what time it's going to start and move off or as with your bike theyve got the worry of waking up in the middle of the night to someone bumping into it they think, blow this we might as well park there ourselves.2. To prevent someone else parking there? See answer 1.
Before you know it the whole street has started parking in the road ( see herebemonsters)- not illegal but is it a good idea? What are roads for?
So what should Muncher do before mutually assured retaliation sets in?
If I was in the OP's position I'd just continue to park in the street in the most convenient, legal space. If that happened to be outside the mental neighbours' house then so be it. If they blocked me in I'd ring the bell and ask them to move their car. If they refused I'd call the cops. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The relevant part to me is that the neighbours are the mental ones. They have decided that they have priority over a part of the public highway and are unreasonably attempting to stop others using it. They are wrong. Rolling over and taking it isn't the solution. Make up all the scenarios you like: you are still wrong if you think they are right.
MrsMiggins said:
The relevant part to me is that the neighbours are the mental ones. They have decided that they have priority over a part of the public highway and are unreasonably attempting to stop others using it. They are wrong.
Nearly They have decided that they have priority over a part of the public highway and are unreasonably attempting to stop others also having priority. I'm not sure its wrong as I think its legal ( blocking in might be too from that link to the Sun early on) but it's all ripe for retaliation.
In typical estates like this everyone realises it could happen so there's a tacit agreement not to park permanently outside each others house.
Once it goes there's a free for all and as long as you know that's happened before you move there youre comfortable with it.
I dont think I've said anything there that doesn't happen?
Whether it's right or wrong they still have to live with it friendly place or not.
Personally I'd move my car round into Dryden road and park right across the end of the footpath leading to their front door (providing it's the required 10m from the junction of course) and see if they prefer that?
They may then accept that round the corner out of sight is preferable.
What does the little sign on the fence say?
They may then accept that round the corner out of sight is preferable.
What does the little sign on the fence say?
Edited by Grommit on Thursday 23 December 00:22
I think the problem here, Saaby is you have a blinkered self-righteous view of how things should be. On some roads On-road parking can cause problems. On others it works perfectly fine - To say that anyone who doesn't have off-road parking shouldn't have a car is quite frankly ridiculous. Do you honestly thing the road network would be better off if the millions of homes in the UK with no off-road parking all used public transport? The public transport network would collapse on the first day. Then, When the bus companies have upped the numbers of busses in their fleet and increased the frequency of each route the road network would collapse (Quite literally, In some areas where councils are known for poor maintainence.)
Parking on the road is not depriving anyone of anything - Aslong as the parking is considerate to other road users.
This is an example of a road where parking has become a problem. In the streetview photo its not too bad, But this is a main-road with heavy traffic (Including regular bus services and articulated lorries.) At weekends and evenings in can be a nightmare - The houses on the left have no off-road parking so park on the road - This alone would be fine. The houses on the right have driveways at the rear - However slowly over time the people living in these houses have started to park on the road outside their houses aswell instead of using the driveways at the rear.
This is a road i used to live on (and still live nearby on an identicle street) It is typical of many areas of Manchester and no doubt many residential areas near other Major towns. Everyone parks on the roads because there is nowhere else to park. In the 3 years or so i've in an area like this i've never had problems getting through - Neither has the 7.5tonne wagon that delivers to the shops and uses the back streets to turn around. Nor have fire engines, Ambulances or police cars.
Also, we're still waiting to hear your answer to the question as to whether you have ever parked on the road when you've been away from home?
Parking on the road is not depriving anyone of anything - Aslong as the parking is considerate to other road users.
This is an example of a road where parking has become a problem. In the streetview photo its not too bad, But this is a main-road with heavy traffic (Including regular bus services and articulated lorries.) At weekends and evenings in can be a nightmare - The houses on the left have no off-road parking so park on the road - This alone would be fine. The houses on the right have driveways at the rear - However slowly over time the people living in these houses have started to park on the road outside their houses aswell instead of using the driveways at the rear.
This is a road i used to live on (and still live nearby on an identicle street) It is typical of many areas of Manchester and no doubt many residential areas near other Major towns. Everyone parks on the roads because there is nowhere else to park. In the 3 years or so i've in an area like this i've never had problems getting through - Neither has the 7.5tonne wagon that delivers to the shops and uses the back streets to turn around. Nor have fire engines, Ambulances or police cars.
Also, we're still waiting to hear your answer to the question as to whether you have ever parked on the road when you've been away from home?
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