Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design

Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design

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greenarrow

2,489 posts

77 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Definitely Vauxhall is the brand ph loves to hate. In many cases its nothing more than snobbery, as Vauxhalls tend to be popular with for low income families. I owned an Insignia for a couple of years and a very solid and competent car it was. If I were to level a criticism it would be that there was nothing about it that made it particularly enjoyable to drive. I find that in terms of steering, gear change slickness and handling feel, Ford are normally a step higher. That said, Vauxhall are probably no worse on this score than the likes of Citroen, Peugeot, Renault, Kia, Hyiundai etc (I'm talking the bread and butter models not sporty ones), so I'm not quite sure why there is such specific hatred for Vauxhall compared with other marques.

Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 28th January 10:50


Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 28th January 10:50

lornemalvo

394 posts

28 months

Tuesday 28th January
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The people on this thread who extol the brilliance of the Mokka's design clearly set a low bar and need to pay more attention to what else is out there. The Mokka is a typical modern car, it is pure white goods, pretending to be an SUV, whereas in my opinion any decent SUV needs 4 wheel drive to suit owners' perceived "active lifestyle". The Mokka is ubiquitous, homogeneous crap that looks like any other pretend SUV that seem to flood the roads now thanks to the perpetual, inescapable cycle of debt that is PCP. Owners who extol their virtues have clearly never owned a seriously good car. For anyone who wants cheap A to B transport they are probably fine but please don't wax lyrical about the design.

MikeM6

3,274 posts

62 months

Tuesday 28th January
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greenarrow said:
...If I were to level a criticism it would be that there was nothing about it that made it particularly enjoyable to drive. I find that in terms of steering, gear change slickness and handling feel, Ford are normally a step higher...
I think therein lies the issue.

I quite enjoyed driving a basic Hyundai for the day, I did not enjoy the Corsa. (I'm no fan of the Fiesta for that matter either).

I don't hate Vauxhall at all, I just don't like them much either.

bristolracer

3,996 posts

109 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.

Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.

greenarrow

2,489 posts

77 months

Tuesday 28th January
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MikeM6 said:
greenarrow said:
...If I were to level a criticism it would be that there was nothing about it that made it particularly enjoyable to drive. I find that in terms of steering, gear change slickness and handling feel, Ford are normally a step higher...
I think therein lies the issue.

I quite enjoyed driving a basic Hyundai for the day, I did not enjoy the Corsa. (I'm no fan of the Fiesta for that matter either).

I don't hate Vauxhall at all, I just don't like them much either.
I think tbf, the Corsa is well past its sell by date, but the Astra and Insignia are class competitive. The 1.4T SRI Astra for example, is I believe used by a particular high performance driving instructor who has worked with F1 drivers, so I dont think it can be that bad!

I'm not a particular Vauxhall fan either, but I do think its odd how many anti Vauxhall threads develop on here. You would never see such vitriol directed at Citroen, Renault, Peugeot etc,who make equally bland and generic white goods type vehicles.

Jimmy Recard

17,274 posts

139 months

Tuesday 28th January
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lornemalvo said:
The people on this thread who extol the brilliance of the Mokka's design clearly set a low bar and need to pay more attention to what else is out there. The Mokka is a typical modern car, it is pure white goods, pretending to be an SUV, whereas in my opinion any decent SUV needs 4 wheel drive to suit owners' perceived "active lifestyle". The Mokka is ubiquitous, homogeneous crap that looks like any other pretend SUV that seem to flood the roads now thanks to the perpetual, inescapable cycle of debt that is PCP. Owners who extol their virtues have clearly never owned a seriously good car. For anyone who wants cheap A to B transport they are probably fine but please don't wax lyrical about the design.
Plenty of them do have four wheel drive.

I would not buy a Mokka, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable car for someone who wants a car like that. Much like the Ford or VW or Renault or whatever equivalent. It won’t be any better or worse

sxmwht

380 posts

19 months

Tuesday 28th January
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MrGTI6 said:
Wasn't that the advertising slogan?
hehe

SHutchinson

1,821 posts

144 months

Tuesday 28th January
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What's with all the bots asking about Vauxhall Mokka? I've heard they're going to bring an electric one out next year, not sure where I heard it. Damnit, it's working!!

Macron

5,475 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th January
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mike-v2tmf said:
Macron said:
Ooh, the SE, and in grey, I like it.

I mean you could have had a run of the mill Corsa, but instead you can ride those kerbs with aplomb being up so high, not concerned by the drop in fuel efficiency over the little thing it's based on, and didn't waste money on the Elite or Ultimate with all that posh stuff you don't need, the SE is the thinking buyer's choice. And the practicalities of a smaller boot than the competition are easily outweighed by the smart styling! I mean a Ferrari can still only go 30 in a 30 zone, and you've got more boot space come what may!

Still can't believe it never won Car of The Year, or Decade really, I mean just look at what you get!

Edited by Macron on Monday 27th January 00:01
You win ........I'm nominateing you for leader of the Labour Party wink
Why thank you.

However here in France I am already in a socialist utopia characterised in those who are not permitted to purchase such outstanding vehicles as a Mokka spending their weekends in high-vis jackets complaining about everything.

Edit, TBF, you can get the Mokka with FlexFit, which is the pull-out bike rack first seen on the Corsa, which where it takes only 2 bikes, and was a rare option as most buyers were, lets face it, hire car companies getting them for a song, is a remarkably good thing.

Baldchap

3,444 posts

52 months

Tuesday 28th January
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bristolracer said:
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.

Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
They're French.

cossers

2,388 posts

100 months

Tuesday 28th January
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greenarrow said:
Definitely Vauxhall is the brand ph loves to hate. In many cases its nothing more than snobbery, as Vauxhalls tend to be popular with for low income families.
Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 28th January 10:50


Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 28th January 10:50
Nail on head, wouldn’t do to be associated with a brand that’s driven by a low income person!

I’ve an astra gtc vxr, I bought it new, I love it, could have had a rs Meg, golf r, focus rs but guess what, I didn’t want them, I also have 3 other cars, each of which is worth more than what the vxr cost me new, I’m not embarrassed or ashamed in any way to own it and don’t give a st what anyone else thinks I’m worth when I’m in it :-)




Edited by cossers on Tuesday 28th January 11:30

bristolracer

3,996 posts

109 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Baldchap said:
bristolracer said:
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.

Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
They're French.
Yes, and before that they were American.
Its still a historic British brand and it still makes cars and vans in the UK

Johnnytheboy

21,161 posts

146 months

Tuesday 28th January
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bristolracer said:
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.

Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
TBH my dislike is more aimed at the "small-but-tall" car segment than the manufacturer.

JimSuperSix

3,788 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th January
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this thread hehe half the posters taking the piss and the other half totally taking them seriously...

DaveTheRave87

1,649 posts

49 months

Tuesday 28th January
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JimSuperSix said:
this thread hehe half the posters taking the piss and the other half totally taking them seriously...
Sssssh you'll spoil it.

Monkeylegend

19,918 posts

191 months

Tuesday 28th January
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The Mokka is built in both Spain and South Korea so there is no reason to assume they are no worse than Seat of Kia/Hyundia in terms of build quality smile

warch

2,429 posts

114 months

Tuesday 28th January
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JimSuperSix said:
this thread hehe half the posters taking the piss and the other half totally taking them seriously...
I spotted that the OP was a troll when he first posted, but there is the semblance of a decent discussion to be had about crossovers and their popularity and why Vauxhall Motors are so reviled by people who would happily drive something similar with a different badge on the steering wheel.

There really isn't any such thing as a bad car these days, plus cars are so homogenous in the way that parts are sourced and shared between brands that it is a bit silly to say I don't like ….. because they aren't as good as …..

white_goodman

3,535 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Wasn't sure if this was trolling but everyone else was being quite nice. I wouldn't say great looking but inoffensive for sure. Most of these small crossovers look the same, the only ones that I can think of with any real pizazz are the Jeep Renegade, Volvo XC40 and LR Evoque (and the "new" Evoque looks a lot blander than the old one to me). For what it's worth, I had a top-spec Mokka Elite diesel as a rental for a couple of weeks and it was OK. Fairly comfy and roomy and OK to drive but felt a little cheap in places. Preferable to the Toyota CH-R that they wanted to give me. They also offered me a Qashqai, which I probably would have taken over the Mokka to be honest but they considered it an "upgrade" and wanted to charge me more money for it, so I declined!

What puzzled me about the Mokka though was all the "hate" I got from other road users. Mine was an inoffensive dark grey like yours but no-one would let me out of junctions or into the other lane in traffic and lots of people cutting me up/driving on my back bumper, I might as well have been driving a "dog dick" red Porsche Cayenne. I don't get treated in the same way when I'm driving my own cars, so I don't know why people had such an issue with the Mokka.

Jimmy Recard

17,274 posts

139 months

Tuesday 28th January
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white_goodman said:
Wasn't sure if this was trolling but everyone else was being quite nice. I wouldn't say great looking but inoffensive for sure. Most of these small crossovers look the same, the only ones that I can think of with any real pizazz are the Jeep Renegade, Volvo XC40 and LR Evoque (and the "new" Evoque looks a lot blander than the old one to me). For what it's worth, I had a top-spec Mokka Elite diesel as a rental for a couple of weeks and it was OK. Fairly comfy and roomy and OK to drive but felt a little cheap in places. Preferable to the Toyota CH-R that they wanted to give me. They also offered me a Qashqai, which I probably would have taken over the Mokka to be honest but they considered it an "upgrade" and wanted to charge me more money for it, so I declined!

What puzzled me about the Mokka though was all the "hate" I got from other road users. Mine was an inoffensive dark grey like yours but no-one would let me out of junctions or into the other lane in traffic and lots of people cutting me up/driving on my back bumper, I might as well have been driving a "dog dick" red Porsche Cayenne. I don't get treated in the same way when I'm driving my own cars, so I don't know why people had such an issue with the Mokka.
Now you’re trolling


It’s the best looking car on the road

anonymous-user

14 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Obviously everyone who has owned a vauxhall now has to jump in to say everyone else is wrong because they owned an Astra and....hold the front page.....it was, and I quote "solid and reliable". Wow. You really sold it to me there.

When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.

Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...