Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design
Discussion
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.
Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
MikeM6 said:
greenarrow said:
...If I were to level a criticism it would be that there was nothing about it that made it particularly enjoyable to drive. I find that in terms of steering, gear change slickness and handling feel, Ford are normally a step higher...
I think therein lies the issue. I quite enjoyed driving a basic Hyundai for the day, I did not enjoy the Corsa. (I'm no fan of the Fiesta for that matter either).
I don't hate Vauxhall at all, I just don't like them much either.
I'm not a particular Vauxhall fan either, but I do think its odd how many anti Vauxhall threads develop on here. You would never see such vitriol directed at Citroen, Renault, Peugeot etc,who make equally bland and generic white goods type vehicles.
lornemalvo said:
The people on this thread who extol the brilliance of the Mokka's design clearly set a low bar and need to pay more attention to what else is out there. The Mokka is a typical modern car, it is pure white goods, pretending to be an SUV, whereas in my opinion any decent SUV needs 4 wheel drive to suit owners' perceived "active lifestyle". The Mokka is ubiquitous, homogeneous crap that looks like any other pretend SUV that seem to flood the roads now thanks to the perpetual, inescapable cycle of debt that is PCP. Owners who extol their virtues have clearly never owned a seriously good car. For anyone who wants cheap A to B transport they are probably fine but please don't wax lyrical about the design.
Plenty of them do have four wheel drive.I would not buy a Mokka, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable car for someone who wants a car like that. Much like the Ford or VW or Renault or whatever equivalent. It won’t be any better or worse
mike-v2tmf said:
Macron said:
Ooh, the SE, and in grey, I like it.
I mean you could have had a run of the mill Corsa, but instead you can ride those kerbs with aplomb being up so high, not concerned by the drop in fuel efficiency over the little thing it's based on, and didn't waste money on the Elite or Ultimate with all that posh stuff you don't need, the SE is the thinking buyer's choice. And the practicalities of a smaller boot than the competition are easily outweighed by the smart styling! I mean a Ferrari can still only go 30 in a 30 zone, and you've got more boot space come what may!
Still can't believe it never won Car of The Year, or Decade really, I mean just look at what you get!
You win ........I'm nominateing you for leader of the Labour Party I mean you could have had a run of the mill Corsa, but instead you can ride those kerbs with aplomb being up so high, not concerned by the drop in fuel efficiency over the little thing it's based on, and didn't waste money on the Elite or Ultimate with all that posh stuff you don't need, the SE is the thinking buyer's choice. And the practicalities of a smaller boot than the competition are easily outweighed by the smart styling! I mean a Ferrari can still only go 30 in a 30 zone, and you've got more boot space come what may!
Still can't believe it never won Car of The Year, or Decade really, I mean just look at what you get!
Edited by Macron on Monday 27th January 00:01
However here in France I am already in a socialist utopia characterised in those who are not permitted to purchase such outstanding vehicles as a Mokka spending their weekends in high-vis jackets complaining about everything.
Edit, TBF, you can get the Mokka with FlexFit, which is the pull-out bike rack first seen on the Corsa, which where it takes only 2 bikes, and was a rare option as most buyers were, lets face it, hire car companies getting them for a song, is a remarkably good thing.
bristolracer said:
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.
Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
They're French. Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
Baldchap said:
bristolracer said:
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.
Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
They're French. Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
Its still a historic British brand and it still makes cars and vans in the UK
bristolracer said:
Put an Opel badge on them and they would probably get more respect around these parts.
Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
TBH my dislike is more aimed at the "small-but-tall" car segment than the manufacturer. Still we brits live to knock our own, think of all the slagging Rover used to get, now its Vauxhall and we won't be happy until they are gone and we can lament the end of another historic British brand ( never mind the tens of thousands of jobs that will go)
They are not bad cars, just not great cars, nobody makes a truly awful car these days, for people who want basic cheap transport they do the job perfectly well.
JimSuperSix said:
this thread 
half the posters taking the piss and the other half totally taking them seriously...
I spotted that the OP was a troll when he first posted, but there is the semblance of a decent discussion to be had about crossovers and their popularity and why Vauxhall Motors are so reviled by people who would happily drive something similar with a different badge on the steering wheel. half the posters taking the piss and the other half totally taking them seriously...There really isn't any such thing as a bad car these days, plus cars are so homogenous in the way that parts are sourced and shared between brands that it is a bit silly to say I don't like ….. because they aren't as good as …..
Wasn't sure if this was trolling but everyone else was being quite nice. I wouldn't say great looking but inoffensive for sure. Most of these small crossovers look the same, the only ones that I can think of with any real pizazz are the Jeep Renegade, Volvo XC40 and LR Evoque (and the "new" Evoque looks a lot blander than the old one to me). For what it's worth, I had a top-spec Mokka Elite diesel as a rental for a couple of weeks and it was OK. Fairly comfy and roomy and OK to drive but felt a little cheap in places. Preferable to the Toyota CH-R that they wanted to give me. They also offered me a Qashqai, which I probably would have taken over the Mokka to be honest but they considered it an "upgrade" and wanted to charge me more money for it, so I declined!
What puzzled me about the Mokka though was all the "hate" I got from other road users. Mine was an inoffensive dark grey like yours but no-one would let me out of junctions or into the other lane in traffic and lots of people cutting me up/driving on my back bumper, I might as well have been driving a "dog dick" red Porsche Cayenne. I don't get treated in the same way when I'm driving my own cars, so I don't know why people had such an issue with the Mokka.
What puzzled me about the Mokka though was all the "hate" I got from other road users. Mine was an inoffensive dark grey like yours but no-one would let me out of junctions or into the other lane in traffic and lots of people cutting me up/driving on my back bumper, I might as well have been driving a "dog dick" red Porsche Cayenne. I don't get treated in the same way when I'm driving my own cars, so I don't know why people had such an issue with the Mokka.
white_goodman said:
Wasn't sure if this was trolling but everyone else was being quite nice. I wouldn't say great looking but inoffensive for sure. Most of these small crossovers look the same, the only ones that I can think of with any real pizazz are the Jeep Renegade, Volvo XC40 and LR Evoque (and the "new" Evoque looks a lot blander than the old one to me). For what it's worth, I had a top-spec Mokka Elite diesel as a rental for a couple of weeks and it was OK. Fairly comfy and roomy and OK to drive but felt a little cheap in places. Preferable to the Toyota CH-R that they wanted to give me. They also offered me a Qashqai, which I probably would have taken over the Mokka to be honest but they considered it an "upgrade" and wanted to charge me more money for it, so I declined!
What puzzled me about the Mokka though was all the "hate" I got from other road users. Mine was an inoffensive dark grey like yours but no-one would let me out of junctions or into the other lane in traffic and lots of people cutting me up/driving on my back bumper, I might as well have been driving a "dog dick" red Porsche Cayenne. I don't get treated in the same way when I'm driving my own cars, so I don't know why people had such an issue with the Mokka.
Now you’re trollingWhat puzzled me about the Mokka though was all the "hate" I got from other road users. Mine was an inoffensive dark grey like yours but no-one would let me out of junctions or into the other lane in traffic and lots of people cutting me up/driving on my back bumper, I might as well have been driving a "dog dick" red Porsche Cayenne. I don't get treated in the same way when I'm driving my own cars, so I don't know why people had such an issue with the Mokka.
It’s the best looking car on the road
Obviously everyone who has owned a vauxhall now has to jump in to say everyone else is wrong because they owned an Astra and....hold the front page.....it was, and I quote "solid and reliable". Wow. You really sold it to me there.
When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.
Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...
When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.
Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...
Oppo said:
Obviously everyone who has owned a vauxhall now has to jump in to say everyone else is wrong because they owned an Astra and....hold the front page.....it was, and I quote "solid and reliable". Wow. Yoube really sold it to me there.
When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.
Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...
My first car was a mk3 Astra and it was solid and reliable. It was also "dog s***" slow and handled like a belligerent shopping trolley and I have never owned another Vauxhall since. The 205 GTi and MINI Cooper that I owned later showed how a FWD car should handle. In all fairness though, you mentioned Ford and Renault and the contemporaries to my Astra would have been the mk5 Escort and Renault 19, which I'm not sure were any better and even the contemporary Golf (mk3) was a bit crap. I'm guessing that for that era, something like a Peugeot 306 or Citroen ZX, or even a Rover 200 might have been a more fun car though.When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.
Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...
Oppo said:
Obviously everyone who has owned a vauxhall now has to jump in to say everyone else is wrong because they owned an Astra and....hold the front page.....it was, and I quote "solid and reliable". Wow. You really sold it to me there.
When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.
Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...
Well, S has had her 15 plate Insignia for three years now. Sure, I won't look back with the lust for some of the cars we've/I've owned, but when the time comes I will look back and think 'that was a good car'. And it is. I'd bet 9/10 of the VH bashers on PH haven't driven one in the last 10 years, it's just a fashionable bash. When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.
Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...
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