Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design

Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design

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Johnnytheboy

21,384 posts

147 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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rallycross said:
I've noticed how protective the owners of these beauties can be.

It seams they will often park over 2 spaces to protect the fine paintwork, from any careless fellow motorists bashing their doors into their P&J (or have I got that wrong?)!

Just registered where that photo is taken.

A McDonald's car park.

rofl

mike-v2tmf

390 posts

40 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Macron said:
Ooh, the SE, and in grey, I like it.

I mean you could have had a run of the mill Corsa, but instead you can ride those kerbs with aplomb being up so high, not concerned by the drop in fuel efficiency over the little thing it's based on, and didn't waste money on the Elite or Ultimate with all that posh stuff you don't need, the SE is the thinking buyer's choice. And the practicalities of a smaller boot than the competition are easily outweighed by the smart styling! I mean a Ferrari can still only go 30 in a 30 zone, and you've got more boot space come what may!

Still can't believe it never won Car of The Year, or Decade really, I mean just look at what you get!

Edited by Macron on Monday 27th January 00:01
You win ........I'm nominateing you for leader of the Labour Party wink

Monkeylegend

20,228 posts

192 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Johnnytheboy said:
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
There's probably a washing machine forum somewhere sneering at the buyers of, oh I don't know, Bosch washing machines.

Some people just aren't that bothered about how good their car is.
Good to a PH'er might mean something different to the people who buy them.

Define good smile

Johnnytheboy

21,384 posts

147 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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OK, enjoyable to drive.

In the same way I don't give two sts how enjoyable to use my washing machine is, some people don't care how enjoyable to drive their car is, as long as it "gets them from A to B" and probably has a few nice toys.

Doesn't mean they are wrong, just that their priorities are different from the average PHer.

Monkeylegend

20,228 posts

192 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Johnnytheboy said:
OK, enjoyable to drive.


Doesn't mean they are wrong, just that their priorities are different from the average PHer.
Exactly, and that also does not make them bad cars. One persons enjoyment can be another persons nightmare.

bloomen

4,105 posts

120 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Johnnytheboy said:
OK, enjoyable to drive.
My main experience of Vauxhalls is Corsas.

I found them actively unpleasant to drive with harsh engines, gearshifts like week old stew and seats that caused me near instant and intense back pain.

In contrast other stuff that's regarded as dullness personified like Kias were competent, comfortable and even fun on occasion.


anonymous-user

15 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
MikeM6 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Its just the usual PH Vauxhall bashing, we have these threads on a regular basis.

If you want to be one of the "in crowd" on here you have to jump on the Vauxhall are crap bandwagon. To say anything else would mean you have to have a balanced opinion and didn't mind what others think of you.

PHer's are special, we are gifted with knowledge that the ignorant, council, in bred, British public don't have, we are king.

Well that's what some like to think, bless them smile
Ok, but what about those that genuinely don't rate the Mokka, based on experience of driving a few of them (and indeed most of the current Vauxhall range)?

They are no worse than Fords I agree, but Hyundai and Kia are lightyears ahead these days.
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
That's like saying the public watch Love Island or x-factor but PH think its st.

Just because something is popular doesnt make it good.

I think PH slate vauxhall because there are far too many better (I'm every area) alternatives to even contemplate a VX. And, no I'm not just on about prestige marques.

It's like eating tripe. Why would you when you can have steak or even a hamburger..or even a ham slice..

Monkeylegend

20,228 posts

192 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Oppo said:
It's like eating tripe. Why would you when you can have steak or even a hamburger..or even a ham slice..
Because you like it yum

warch

2,652 posts

115 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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I drive a crossover as a daily, it's cheap to run, tax and insure, parts are inexpensive and easy to fit. It has huge high profile tyres that shrug off potholes that break other cars wheels. Yes it looks naff and is pretty low performance but then compared to my bike nearly all cars are slow and boring. My work cars are essentially somewhere to sit out of the cold and wet with a heater and a radio beyond that I don't really care about anything else.

It's especially good in these floods we get all the time nowadays, it is high enough to negotiate floodwater without stalling or damaging the engine.

MikeM6

3,317 posts

63 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
Lots of people watch Coronation Street, seemingly through choice. Doesn't mean it is worth watching.

Vauxhall isn't terrible per se, but neither are they very good either. I don't agree with the blanket hatred of them simply for being a Vauxhall, but having driven most of the range in petrol and diesel, manual and automatic and in budget and higher trim levels, none left me thinking that I wanted one.

I think the dislike for them is that they position themselves as the antithesis of a PHer's interest. Middle of the road with no excitement. Not cheap and cheerful, not posh and pricey, not fast and fun, not sumptious and serene. They seem like a brand of car for those that don't like cars very much, selling cars not with the promise of a great driving experience or innovation and excitement, but for being a "British" brand for a long time. Which maybe feels like a cynical ploy to target customers who would base a decision on something daft like that. It's like they are not even trying to appeal to us.

I would love for Vauxhall to develop and sell a truly brilliant model. They just currently don't.



Monkeylegend

20,228 posts

192 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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MikeM6 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
Lots of people watch Coronation Street, seemingly through choice. Doesn't mean it is worth watching.

Vauxhall isn't terrible per se, but neither are they very good either. I don't agree with the blanket hatred of them simply for being a Vauxhall, but having driven most of the range in petrol and diesel, manual and automatic and in budget and higher trim levels, none left me thinking that I wanted one.

I think the dislike for them is that they position themselves as the antithesis of a PHer's interest. Middle of the road with no excitement. Not cheap and cheerful, not posh and pricey, not fast and fun, not sumptious and serene. They seem like a brand of car for those that don't like cars very much, selling cars not with the promise of a great driving experience or innovation and excitement, but for being a "British" brand for a long time. Which maybe feels like a cynical ploy to target customers who would base a decision on something daft like that. It's like they are not even trying to appeal to us.

I would love for Vauxhall to develop and sell a truly brilliant model. They just currently don't.
Vauxhall as a brand are generally not liked by many on here because they are Vauxhall.

Vauxhall as a brand in the big wide world sell lots of cars to people who want cars that Vauxhall make. They clearly know their target market quite well and it clearly does not include many PH'ers.

That doesn't make them bad cars.

cossers

2,476 posts

101 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Oppo said:
I think PH slate vauxhall because there are far too many better (I'm every area) alternatives to even contemplate a VX. And, no I'm not just on about prestige marques.

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I think that’s total bullst, most on here just slate them because it makes them feel good about their lot in life.

Monkeylegend

20,228 posts

192 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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cossers said:
Oppo said:
I think PH slate vauxhall because there are far too many better (I'm every area) alternatives to even contemplate a VX. And, no I'm not just on about prestige marques.

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I think that’s total bullst, most on here just slate them because it makes them feel good about their lot in life.
Yep, its seen as hip to slate them irrespective.

cossers

2,476 posts

101 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
cossers said:
Oppo said:
I think PH slate vauxhall because there are far too many better (I'm every area) alternatives to even contemplate a VX. And, no I'm not just on about prestige marques.

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I think that’s total bullst, most on here just slate them because it makes them feel good about their lot in life.
Yep, its seen as hip to slate them irrespective.
Lol, expect perspective from a fellow ex griff owner :-) still miss mine tbh!

The Li-ion King

2,791 posts

25 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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MikeM6 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Enough people are buying both Fords and Vauxhalls to suggest that the dislike for Vauxhall in particular on PH is not reflected by the general buying public.
Lots of people watch Coronation Street, seemingly through choice. Doesn't mean it is worth watching.

Vauxhall isn't terrible per se, but neither are they very good either. I don't agree with the blanket hatred of them simply for being a Vauxhall, but having driven most of the range in petrol and diesel, manual and automatic and in budget and higher trim levels, none left me thinking that I wanted one.

I think the dislike for them is that they position themselves as the antithesis of a PHer's interest. Middle of the road with no excitement. Not cheap and cheerful, not posh and pricey, not fast and fun, not sumptious and serene. They seem like a brand of car for those that don't like cars very much, selling cars not with the promise of a great driving experience or innovation and excitement, but for being a "British" brand for a long time. Which maybe feels like a cynical ploy to target customers who would base a decision on something daft like that. It's like they are not even trying to appeal to us.

I would love for Vauxhall to develop and sell a truly brilliant model. They just currently don't.
I had two Vectra's, but the "service" you get at some Vauxhall garages is awful. It's not about being called "mate" at a Vauxhall showroom compared to "sir" at Mercedes... None of the cars shout excitement, more functional than anything else.

Monkeylegend

20,228 posts

192 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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cossers said:
Lol, expect perspective from a fellow ex griff owner :-) still miss mine tbh!
If anything the Griff was worse than the Vauxhalls I have owned and driven hehe

But I still miss mine as well smile

Thesprucegoose

26,334 posts

156 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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my mum has a VX corsa, 2nd one, the quality of bit falling off etc is pretty bad. They drive o.k but her window wiper went out of alignment, went to dealer to fix, came back still out of alignment, so agree with service comment above.

This does happen with other brands.

u33db

113 posts

17 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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The Li-ion King said:
None of the cars shout excitement, more functional than anything else.
This makes me laugh, you seem to have forgotten about all the VXR models and numerous other fast Vauxhalls that have come and gone??

Particularly in recent years i think it'd be fair to say the fast vauxhalls all sport far more aggressive, and exciting styling compared to the equivalent Ford that all the fan boys on here seem to love, and also most of these Vauxhalls were usually built YEARS before Ford or whoever got their act together to catch up in terms of build quality and performance.

Even the base models are very good though.



Jimmy Recard

17,325 posts

140 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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There are no VXR models at the moment unfortunately, but what a machine a Mokka VXR would be!

s m

20,151 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Jimmy Recard said:
There are no VXR models at the moment unfortunately, but what a machine a Mokka VXR would be!
We’ve all been waiting for the ‘next’ Meriva VXR cool