Gaming PCs Thread...time for a sticky / running thread?

Gaming PCs Thread...time for a sticky / running thread?

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Zod

35,295 posts

225 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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toxicnerve said:
Zod,

Would deionied water have helped?

Zod said:
...so I now have a 512GB Samsung M2 NVMe drive. That drive is easily the biggest improvement.
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Where did you buy that? Do they do a 1TB version?
Coolant's deionised anyway. That's probably why most components were fine. It doesn't take much to kill a motherboard though. When I took it apart, I found it had got into the power socket and the front panel connectors were shorted too, despite its being deionised. I suspect it doesn't stay that way if it's in the system for years!

512GB is the biggest Samsung for the moment. It's this one:




You can buy an intel PCIe 1.2TB drive, but it's £750.

Squirrelofwoe

2,993 posts

143 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Guvernator said:
toxicnerve said:
How much was the monitor?
£750, was originally only supposed to spend £500 on it boxedin
The freesync version is currently around £470, so a decent saving but does have the limitation of freesync only working between about 35hz & 90hz. Not an issue for me though as I am not going to be running AAA titles at 1440p above 90 fps!

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Squirrelofwoe said:
The freesync version is currently around £470, so a decent saving but does have the limitation of freesync only working between about 35hz & 90hz. Not an issue for me though as I am not going to be running AAA titles at 1440p above 90 fps!
I would have gone for the cheaper previous gen G-sync version which was about the same price as the freesync version but the gen 1 g-sync monitors come with only 1 DV port which means I wouldn't been able to use it for anything else. That's the advantage of freesync as it's not a proprietary scaler so it can be built into a normal monitor with all the other types of input connections available.

The monitor I bought is the first gen 2 g-sync monitor to market which comes with an extra input port but I paid for the privilege, £250 for an extra HDMI port rolleyes

Squirrelofwoe

2,993 posts

143 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Guvernator said:
I would have gone for the cheaper previous gen G-sync version which was about the same price as the freesync version but the gen 1 g-sync monitors come with only 1 DV port which means I wouldn't been able to use it for anything else. That's the advantage of freesync as it's not a proprietary scaler so it can be built into a normal monitor with all the other types of input connections available.

The monitor I bought is the first gen 2 g-sync monitor to market which comes with an extra input port but I paid for the privilege, £250 for an extra HDMI port rolleyes
That sucks, I guess if you want it you pay for it though. My mate has a pair of 27" Samsung monitors alongside his 27" Dell Ultrasharp. They are massive heavy things that kick out more heat than a decent sized radiator- no IPS or anything, low refresh rates etc, they were one of the first gen 27" 1080p LCD monitors and they cost around £800 each new. The scary thing is they are not that old, and are worth buttons now. He'd bought one new himself and recently bought the second off of another mate for £50 after he'd had no luck trying to sell it for £75...

It's crazy how quickly the price comes down as tech moves on, it's the only thing I'm slightly apprehensive about with buying the Asus- I didn't really want to spend over £400 on a monitor only to find it available for half that in a year, but I guess that's the price you pay to have it now. My 24" Dell cost me nearly £300 an that is still going strong after 8 years so if I get even half that lifespan out of the Asus it won't seem quite so painful.

Or that's what I tell myself anyway!

toxicnerve

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24,447 posts

144 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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I think I'll pass...for now.

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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There are lot more gen 2 g-sync monitors coming out in the next few weeks and months so I suspect prices will go down as competition heats up. If you're not desperate, it's probably better to wait. I needed a monitor now as I didn't have one so it was either buy a cheaper one now, use my projector which wouldn't be ideal or get the Asus.

Art0ir

9,314 posts

137 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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I'm hoping to pick up a nice 1440p screen in the black Friday sales.

wolves_wanderer

12,048 posts

204 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9259300

Post to add the Firestrike score. I went AMD for the graphics card as I use this machine for work and compute performance is still better with AMD. The machine runs in a silenced case and is pretty much inaudible even in a quiet room. Looking to go either 1440 or 4k next and still debating whether to crossfire the video card or wait for the next gen.

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Both Nvidia and AMD are apparently releasing their next gen graphics cards within the next 6 months. If you believe the hype, Nvidia's Pascal and AMD's Arctic Islands next gen cards will be a significant leap over current GPU's so if you aren't desperate, it might be worth waiting.

I'd also like to add that doing console gaming almost exclusively for the past few years, I'd forgotten how quickly the PC market moves and have now got back into the habit of checking new developments on the PC scene. Whether this is a good thing or not is debatable at the moment as while my geeky side is rejoicing at all the new stuff coming out, my wallet it weeping!

wolves_wanderer

12,048 posts

204 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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I'm in a similar situation. I hadn't built a PC for about 6 years until a few months ago. I have been doing work that needs a decent machine so built for that, then Elite Dangerous came out so I had to buy that, then saw how good GTA5 looked etc etc.

I will probably hang on for the next gen, even if I don't end up buying one it will make a 2nd card cheaper, although I've never had 2 GPUs and know that it can be a bit hit and miss.

130R

6,424 posts

173 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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wolves_wanderer said:
I've never had 2 GPUs and know that it can be a bit hit and miss.
I have been running (Nvidia) SLI for years and really had no issues at all. I had 580 SLI and now 780 SLI and pretty much the only issue is very rarely when games don't support it, in which case it just runs off a single card. Requiring a beefier PSU and a bigger case with better cooling (which is noisier) are really the only negatives.

Squirrelofwoe

2,993 posts

143 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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130R said:
wolves_wanderer said:
I've never had 2 GPUs and know that it can be a bit hit and miss.
I have been running (Nvidia) SLI for years and really had no issues at all. I had 580 SLI and now 780 SLI and pretty much the only issue is very rarely when games don't support it, in which case it just runs off a single card. Requiring a beefier PSU and a bigger case with better cooling (which is noisier) are really the only negatives.
Likewise I ran a pair of AMD 4870 cards in crossfire for a fair while, never had any issue with it as far as I can remember, just that some games supported it and others didn't. It was only when one packed up (they were both second hand anyway) that I upgraded to a beefier single card, and have stayed that way since. Mainly because I am tight and so the idea of upgrading just one card is preferable to upgrading two!

wolves_wanderer

12,048 posts

204 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Thanks chaps. PSU is fine (Corsair 1000W). I will probably have a look at the next gen unless there are any crazy Black Friday deals. The good point with Crossfire is that it will offer exactly 100% scaling for my compute tasks (which is the whole reason I built the machine in the first place).

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Never liked the idea of dual cards either. At first that probably came from the issues people experienced when the technology first became available. Now it just doesn't gel with my geeky engineering side as it's just seems inefficient and not as neat, extra space, extra cooling, extra power used etc.

The next gen cards sound very promising quoting twice the output per watt of power and much better thermal efficiency compared to current cards so I'd probably go with the one newer card as an upgrade route rather than getting a second card.

However I can certainly see why some people like dual cards, you certainly can't argue with the numbers they put out. I expect even the next gen cards while being more powerful and efficient will still struggle to outperform two decent cards from the previous gen.

FunkyNige

7,517 posts

242 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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A friend has two cards and he's forever switching between one and two cards for different games to get decent fps, they are a few years old and he does run two monitors too.
I've found the 3dmark benchmarking tool website quite good for comparing the different components, you can search for score per $, see what's the most popular, etc. based on scores from users.
Here's the list of graphics cards
http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu

Zod

35,295 posts

225 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Direct X12 is supposed to allow different graphics cards to work together in SFR mode (they work together to render parts of each frame), so upgrades may become less frequent in the future.

toxicnerve

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24,447 posts

144 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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I may upgrade this cycle. Not sure though...

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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toxicnerve said:
I may upgrade this cycle. Not sure though...
What are you planning to change? If it's CPU, Skylake is new so a good time to jump on the cycle as it should be good for a while, however in terms of performance increase I don't think it's a massive jump over previous gen CPU's.

If it's GPU your SLi setup already beats most things including the ti card so you might be better off waiting for pascal, unless you want to go

toxicnerve

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24,447 posts

144 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Sorry, I mean GPUs and I'd wait for the next gen (Pascal / 1080Ti or whatever) and change then.

Hoping to get another couple of years out of "the platform" to be honest.

FunkyNige

7,517 posts

242 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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wolves_wanderer said:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9259300

Post to add the Firestrike score.
Pretty shocked at how much better score that is compared to mine
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5715307/fs/647146...
Presumably it's mostly down to my i5 vs your i7? The other numbers don't look too different.