To Kinect or not to Kinect?
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Dan_1981 said:
freecar said:
ZesPak said:
I've played on a PS3 Move and really thought it was pretty crap, much preferred the Wii alternative.
The Kinect is another beast though, as it's really something else.
I'll look into the space issue, but other than that they (reviewers) seem to be pretty enthusiastic about it? In a way that, if you have the space, it actually works pretty good?
How is it broken and crap?
Did you read the very detailed review that was linked a couple of posts ago? I didn't think it would be that good but I actually have doubts of it ever being released. If released I believe it will go the way of the atari lynx or sega gamegear, it works but is soon forgotten.The Kinect is another beast though, as it's really something else.
I'll look into the space issue, but other than that they (reviewers) seem to be pretty enthusiastic about it? In a way that, if you have the space, it actually works pretty good?
How is it broken and crap?
Isn't realse date next wednesday? My local gamestation had one set up to try out today?
I doubt it will be supported for long and maybe withdrawn from sale.
The space requirements combined with the problems with eyewear and lack of titles means that the majority of units sold will be returned to the retailer due to the customer not knowing how to set them up or not having enough space to use them.
The lynx and gamegear comment was a bit of a red herring really but I meant in the fact that they were overlooked not that long after release. As a result they were pretty much obselete by the consumers say so not because Atari brought out a newer, better system.
When I first heard of the concept I wasn't impressed, I tried to visualise in my mind what would be possible and didn't come up with anything that ground breaking. The review I have now read marries up wirth that view perfectly. There are no revolutions here, just poorly executed concepts that are a novelty at best. I have slightly higher hopes for the PS move but not much.
I've never read so much ignorant crap in such a short thread on PH before.
It's a Wii copy to appeal to "family, casual gamers". If thats you buy it, if not dont. It does work, it is being released (god knows where that statement came from?)and it won't change the face of serious gaming.
It's a Wii copy to appeal to "family, casual gamers". If thats you buy it, if not dont. It does work, it is being released (god knows where that statement came from?)and it won't change the face of serious gaming.
The_Jackal said:
I've never read so much ignorant crap in such a short thread on PH before.
It's a Wii copy to appeal to "family, casual gamers". If thats you buy it, if not dont. It does work, it is being released (god knows where that statement came from?)and it won't change the face of serious gaming.
Jackal....it's been quiet without you....I miss itIt's a Wii copy to appeal to "family, casual gamers". If thats you buy it, if not dont. It does work, it is being released (god knows where that statement came from?)and it won't change the face of serious gaming.
freecar said:
I don't know when the release date is, I don't own an xbox. I'll change my assessment then.
I doubt it will be supported for long and maybe withdrawn from sale.
The space requirements combined with the problems with eyewear and lack of titles means that the majority of units sold will be returned to the retailer due to the customer not knowing how to set them up or not having enough space to use them.
The lynx and gamegear comment was a bit of a red herring really but I meant in the fact that they were overlooked not that long after release. As a result they were pretty much obselete by the consumers say so not because Atari brought out a newer, better system.
When I first heard of the concept I wasn't impressed, I tried to visualise in my mind what would be possible and didn't come up with anything that ground breaking. The review I have now read marries up wirth that view perfectly. There are no revolutions here, just poorly executed concepts that are a novelty at best. I have slightly higher hopes for the PS move but not much.
Freecar, sorry to say this but that is the biggest load of uninformed crap I've ever read on PH I doubt it will be supported for long and maybe withdrawn from sale.
The space requirements combined with the problems with eyewear and lack of titles means that the majority of units sold will be returned to the retailer due to the customer not knowing how to set them up or not having enough space to use them.
The lynx and gamegear comment was a bit of a red herring really but I meant in the fact that they were overlooked not that long after release. As a result they were pretty much obselete by the consumers say so not because Atari brought out a newer, better system.
When I first heard of the concept I wasn't impressed, I tried to visualise in my mind what would be possible and didn't come up with anything that ground breaking. The review I have now read marries up wirth that view perfectly. There are no revolutions here, just poorly executed concepts that are a novelty at best. I have slightly higher hopes for the PS move but not much.
.It is made, it is in stores for demo purposes now (go look for a big gamemania store or the like), and it will be for sale next week (and the date hasn't moved yet...).
I have tested it wearing my glasses and it works perfectly. The "space requirement" can be an issue, but about the same issue with the Wii, if I want to play the Wii I have to move my coffee table.
I've tested it in a store that hasn't got much more room for it than my living room (about 8' x 8'), and while that is BY DEFAULT not a lot room for two people to move around in (try Wii tennis in that space), the Kinect did work, even better than my Wii imho. Oh, I was wearing my glasses too.
As for the games, the kinect has 15 launch titles, the PS3 had 21 official, as did the Wii. The PS Move has about 10 (no official numbers released for obvious reasons).
At a 150$/100$ do you really expect the next revolution in gaming?
I for one do think MS outdid their selves with this one and I'll be getting one.
freecar said:
When I first heard of the concept I wasn't impressed, I tried to visualise in my mind what would be possible and didn't come up with anything that ground breaking. The review I have now read marries up wirth that view perfectly. There are no revolutions here, just poorly executed concepts that are a novelty at best. I have slightly higher hopes for the PS move but not much.
This strikes me as odd, having played on both the Kinect and the Move, I think the kinect is a LOT more groundbreaking than the Move. Though neither are the "next big thing". The Kinect has a couple of games more on launch, but we'll see how it evolves.I have a Wii with less games than either has on launch and it's sufficient, as it's really a party/family thing more than a serious game controller.
ZesPak said:
freecar said:
I don't know when the release date is, I don't own an xbox. I'll change my assessment then.
I doubt it will be supported for long and maybe withdrawn from sale.
The space requirements combined with the problems with eyewear and lack of titles means that the majority of units sold will be returned to the retailer due to the customer not knowing how to set them up or not having enough space to use them.
The lynx and gamegear comment was a bit of a red herring really but I meant in the fact that they were overlooked not that long after release. As a result they were pretty much obselete by the consumers say so not because Atari brought out a newer, better system.
When I first heard of the concept I wasn't impressed, I tried to visualise in my mind what would be possible and didn't come up with anything that ground breaking. The review I have now read marries up wirth that view perfectly. There are no revolutions here, just poorly executed concepts that are a novelty at best. I have slightly higher hopes for the PS move but not much.
Freecar, sorry to say this but that is the biggest load of uninformed crap I've ever read on PH I doubt it will be supported for long and maybe withdrawn from sale.
The space requirements combined with the problems with eyewear and lack of titles means that the majority of units sold will be returned to the retailer due to the customer not knowing how to set them up or not having enough space to use them.
The lynx and gamegear comment was a bit of a red herring really but I meant in the fact that they were overlooked not that long after release. As a result they were pretty much obselete by the consumers say so not because Atari brought out a newer, better system.
When I first heard of the concept I wasn't impressed, I tried to visualise in my mind what would be possible and didn't come up with anything that ground breaking. The review I have now read marries up wirth that view perfectly. There are no revolutions here, just poorly executed concepts that are a novelty at best. I have slightly higher hopes for the PS move but not much.
.Just what is so uninformed about the post, I already corrected that I didn't know when release was due, I was surprised to hear it is soon considering I've seen no ads for it yet. The post is clearly my opinion, I'm not passing if off as fact therefore it doesn't need to be particularly well informed.
It is made, it is in stores for demo purposes now (go look for a big gamemania store or the like), and it will be for sale next week (and the date hasn't moved yet...).
I have tested it wearing my glasses and it works perfectly. The "space requirement" can be an issue, but about the same issue with the Wii, if I want to play the Wii I have to move my coffee table.
Yes I have now been made aware of the release date, it doesn't change my opinion though. Are you accusing the earlier reviewer of lying? As your glasses are no issue otherwise. If he was telling the truth (I have no reason to believe he wasn't) then some people with glasses are not going to be able to play with it.
I've tested it in a store that hasn't got much more room for it than my living room (about 8' x 8'), and while that is BY DEFAULT not a lot room for two people to move around in (try Wii tennis in that space), the Kinect did work, even better than my Wii imho. Oh, I was wearing my glasses too.
from what I hear the function of the wii isn't exactly hard to better
As for the games, the kinect has 15 launch titles, the PS3 had 21 official, as did the Wii. The PS Move has about 10 (no official numbers released for obvious reasons).
I didn't want this to become a ps3 deal but I expected it. You can't compare launch titles of a real console to a bunch of mini games for a concept controller. we'll see but so far I've not heard of one "real" game that uses the kinnect. For clarification, real games would have sold the system, people would buy the kinnect to play the game, like say a kinnect version of halo or cod
At a 150$/100$ do you really expect the next revolution in gaming?
I never said I expected a revolution, quite the opposite. I think it is a dead end.
I for one do think MS outdid their selves with this one and I'll be getting one.
The_Jackal said:
I've never read so much ignorant crap in such a short thread on PH before.
It's a Wii copy to appeal to "family, casual gamers". If thats you buy it, if not dont. It does work, it is being released (god knows where that statement came from?)and it won't change the face of serious gaming.
I had this reaction to this thread too. It's a Wii copy to appeal to "family, casual gamers". If thats you buy it, if not dont. It does work, it is being released (god knows where that statement came from?)and it won't change the face of serious gaming.
Could someone of importance change the title to the correct spelling too? I makes me sad every time I read it.
bodhi said:
I've heard far too many dodgy reviews of this to think it's anything else but another bit of MS hardware which doesn't work properly.
For the X360 fanboys only I think. Plus motion sensitive gaming without a controller is a s
t idea.
It's not really for the fanboys at all though is it? It's for families and kids, you only have to look at the launch games to see that. The fanboys are the ones who will quite happily stick to a pad and proper games.For the X360 fanboys only I think. Plus motion sensitive gaming without a controller is a s
t idea. Evil Jack said:
What, like video games in general?
What are you doing posting here then, if that's your view.....? 
Sony and MS have both decided that they want a cut of all the action Nintendo had cornered with the Wii - the casual, more family-orientated gamers. It seems to me that it's unlikely to have much relevance to "proper" gamers - but I suppose you never know how developers will make the technology work, so I could yet be surprised.
Not for me even if I was persuaded though - the Xbox lives in the office (aka the smallest bedroom/box room) so there just isn't room for it....
Edited by Lurking Lawyer on Friday 5th November 13:27
Having had a good long think about it I've finally come up with an advantage.
Now, take your average Wii user, they bought the Wii, a couple of controllers and a game or two. Then they had to get the Wii motion plus to make the controllers work nearly properly. Then Wii fit comes out and needs a new controller to go with it.
With the Kinect (is that right, I've really been paying no attention!) there are no controllers and with a basic xbox it doesn't matter if it gathers dust for a few months at a time. When a new game comes out that is different, they'll just have to learn a load of new moves or gestures or whatever.
So for the casual gamer, who just wants to play once in a blue moon it can sit there inanimate and wait for the next thing to drop for it.
Now, take your average Wii user, they bought the Wii, a couple of controllers and a game or two. Then they had to get the Wii motion plus to make the controllers work nearly properly. Then Wii fit comes out and needs a new controller to go with it.
With the Kinect (is that right, I've really been paying no attention!) there are no controllers and with a basic xbox it doesn't matter if it gathers dust for a few months at a time. When a new game comes out that is different, they'll just have to learn a load of new moves or gestures or whatever.
So for the casual gamer, who just wants to play once in a blue moon it can sit there inanimate and wait for the next thing to drop for it.
freecar said:
Having had a good long think about it I've finally come up with an advantage.
Now, take your average Wii user, they bought the Wii, a couple of controllers and a game or two. Then they had to get the Wii motion plus to make the controllers work nearly properly. Then Wii fit comes out and needs a new controller to go with it.
With the Kinect (is that right, I've really been paying no attention!) there are no controllers and with a basic xbox it doesn't matter if it gathers dust for a few months at a time. When a new game comes out that is different, they'll just have to learn a load of new moves or gestures or whatever.
So for the casual gamer, who just wants to play once in a blue moon it can sit there inanimate and wait for the next thing to drop for it.
Now, take your average Wii user, they bought the Wii, a couple of controllers and a game or two. Then they had to get the Wii motion plus to make the controllers work nearly properly. Then Wii fit comes out and needs a new controller to go with it.
With the Kinect (is that right, I've really been paying no attention!) there are no controllers and with a basic xbox it doesn't matter if it gathers dust for a few months at a time. When a new game comes out that is different, they'll just have to learn a load of new moves or gestures or whatever.
So for the casual gamer, who just wants to play once in a blue moon it can sit there inanimate and wait for the next thing to drop for it.
For me, the wii was a big dust-gathering thing, so it went to a friend. I miss it once every blue moon. Now, for €150 I can have a controller that doesn't really take a lot of space (unlike the wii, that you have to put somewhere and all of the additional crap too).
And, I never had the "better" controllers for the Wii but I always thought it was a bit over-hyped, and imho a lot of the time bought over a PS3/X360 just because of the price, as I always found it was very inaccurate in the movements. Also, it only tracks the little device you are holding. It could be between your teeth, the Wii won't care.
I've seen the Kinect in action and it's a cool gimmick, mimicking your movements on a little avatar doll is pretty cool. Some games (as the fitness game) has elaborate "skeletal" structures for even more lifelike movement.
I actually never buy such things on release, but I'm in the market for a new X360 (the little BiL buys my "old" one), and it's a 100€ surplus on a new xbox, so I thought I'd give it a go.
ZesPak said:
freecar said:
Having had a good long think about it I've finally come up with an advantage.
Now, take your average Wii user, they bought the Wii, a couple of controllers and a game or two. Then they had to get the Wii motion plus to make the controllers work nearly properly. Then Wii fit comes out and needs a new controller to go with it.
With the Kinect (is that right, I've really been paying no attention!) there are no controllers and with a basic xbox it doesn't matter if it gathers dust for a few months at a time. When a new game comes out that is different, they'll just have to learn a load of new moves or gestures or whatever.
So for the casual gamer, who just wants to play once in a blue moon it can sit there inanimate and wait for the next thing to drop for it.
Now, take your average Wii user, they bought the Wii, a couple of controllers and a game or two. Then they had to get the Wii motion plus to make the controllers work nearly properly. Then Wii fit comes out and needs a new controller to go with it.
With the Kinect (is that right, I've really been paying no attention!) there are no controllers and with a basic xbox it doesn't matter if it gathers dust for a few months at a time. When a new game comes out that is different, they'll just have to learn a load of new moves or gestures or whatever.
So for the casual gamer, who just wants to play once in a blue moon it can sit there inanimate and wait for the next thing to drop for it.
For me, the wii was a big dust-gathering thing, so it went to a friend. I miss it once every blue moon. Now, for €150 I can have a controller that doesn't really take a lot of space (unlike the wii, that you have to put somewhere and all of the additional crap too).
And, I never had the "better" controllers for the Wii but I always thought it was a bit over-hyped, and imho a lot of the time bought over a PS3/X360 just because of the price, as I always found it was very inaccurate in the movements. Also, it only tracks the little device you are holding. It could be between your teeth, the Wii won't care.
I've seen the Kinect in action and it's a cool gimmick, mimicking your movements on a little avatar doll is pretty cool. Some games (as the fitness game) has elaborate "skeletal" structures for even more lifelike movement.
I actually never buy such things on release, but I'm in the market for a new X360 (the little BiL buys my "old" one), and it's a 100€ surplus on a new xbox, so I thought I'd give it a go.
I think for the casual gamer it will be a winner, but it's another question for the hardcore.
My friend had an opportunity to play with one for an hour with various games at a private screening in London and he's written a review - he is a hardcore gamer himself.
http://www.xboxer360.com/news/review-kinect-for-xb...
The biggest issue appears to be remembering to move!
A strong point i think we will see in the coming months is the use of eye tracking tech with the Kinnect in conjunction with a controller. For instance Forza - You're racing 3 abreast and you turn your head to look alongside you as opposed to using a stick, or you look at the wing mirror.
I'll be getting one, but then i love all this stuff.
My friend had an opportunity to play with one for an hour with various games at a private screening in London and he's written a review - he is a hardcore gamer himself.
http://www.xboxer360.com/news/review-kinect-for-xb...
The biggest issue appears to be remembering to move!
A strong point i think we will see in the coming months is the use of eye tracking tech with the Kinnect in conjunction with a controller. For instance Forza - You're racing 3 abreast and you turn your head to look alongside you as opposed to using a stick, or you look at the wing mirror.
I'll be getting one, but then i love all this stuff.
Edited by ConcreteBuffalo on Friday 5th November 14:05
freecar said:
The Wii never really suffered for it's lack of accuracy as it was for kids or drunk people and not serious gamers, I suppose the Kinect is likely to become a peripheral that only comes out at parties and legitamises the console for the non-gaming members of the family/peer group. You can't call someone a sad gamer if you're willing to jump around like an idiot for a dancing game!
I can point you to some DDR guys I know to prove you wrong 
ZesPak said:
freecar said:
The Wii never really suffered for it's lack of accuracy as it was for kids or drunk people and not serious gamers, I suppose the Kinect is likely to become a peripheral that only comes out at parties and legitamises the console for the non-gaming members of the family/peer group. You can't call someone a sad gamer if you're willing to jump around like an idiot for a dancing game!
I can point you to some DDR guys I know to prove you wrong Lurking Lawyer said:
Evil Jack said:
What, like video games in general?
What are you doing posting here then, if that's your view.....? Sony and MS have both decided that they want a cut of all the action Nintendo had cornered with the Wii - the casual, more family-orientated gamers. It seems to me that it's unlikely to have much relevance to "proper" gamers - but I suppose you never know how developers will make the technology work, so I could yet be surprised.
Not for me even if I was persuaded though - the Xbox lives in the office (aka the smallest bedroom/box room) so there just isn't room for it....
Edited by Lurking Lawyer on Friday 5th November 13:27
My point was there's nothing wrong with wasting time if you've got lots of it to spare!
I've played Kinect Sports. It is way, WAY better than Wii Sports. You really have to try Kinect before passing judgement.
The thing is, there'd be no Kinect without Wii - and that's the trouble with Microsoft. I just think they will lose interest in it, as soon as the next big thing from, Nintendo/Sony/Apple comes along....MS will follow that too....always following...
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