Canon 30D Announced
Discussion
srider said:
Guys,
he's not listening to sense. He wants what he wants, and not what he needs or can justify. Let him waste the money, afterall its his decision.
Matt
And if he can stop boring the tits off us that'd be great too!
lol. you can get away with anything if you follow it with the right smily face... usually this one:
ehasler said:A little less subliminal - but Ed is right - I don't know anyone on here who has got one and is dissapointed (well in RAW mode anyway).
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Good chunky camera - nice big viewfinder - but you don't need the months of weight training to lug it around.
Yes, it would be nice to have more pixels in some situations (I haven't come accross any yet though), and a bit faster focussing may again be nice (although I tend to pre-focus anyway for fast moving stuff - especially since capturing a great image of Robbie Kerr sideways around Padock Hill in the first A1 meet only to find it slightly out of focus when I got back).
Finally - robustness. Yes, you may be able to chuck a 1D out of the back of a landrover, pick it up later and it would still be fine. However, If I spend £1k on a piece of kit it gets well looked after - additional robustness would not bring any benefits whatsoever.
Andy M said:
I don;t think thats true. if you can afford a 1Dsmk2 and gubings then why not buy one. they offer no more than a 350 in terms of setting the aperture or shutter speed. I started off with a 20D from not using a camera and while my first pics are not as good as they are now thats down to practice and learning.
70-200 IS is a great first buy along with 50mm and 24-70.
I don't know about you, but speaking personally there have been a number of occasions (especially initially) when I've been under pressure to get a shot, and have caught the colly-wobbles - "sh!t!! which setting should I use?! Erm...erm...billocks to it, I may as well stick it in one of the auto modes".
With the 300D/350D/20D/30D it's easy to do this, and to learn from the settings chosen by the camera which you can adopt the next time you're in a similar position. I feel that with one of the cameras listed the learning curve would be much steeper than if you chose to buy a 1ds mkII. There are hundreds of people who have been too intimidated by their 20D's/D70's etc and have shied away from photography because they find it too technical (you only need check eBay for examples of this). I think there's even more of a chance of doing this if you choose to buy a camera like Canon's flagship.
In the same way I wouldn't recommend somebody looking to go for a nice walk to climb Everest, so too would I not recommend a 1ds mkII to somebody looking at their first DSLR (unless they were a Nachtwey/Bailey/Watkinson (
What's more, I also believe the learning curve would be a lot steeper with a £70 50mm 1.8 prime than a >£1,200 70-200 IS.
if I cold have bought one instead of my 20D I would have. sticking the camera on P or one of the other simple modes does not help you learn.
daydreamer said:
Yes, it would be nice to have more pixels in some situations (I haven't come accross any yet though), and a bit faster focussing may again be nice (although I tend to pre-focus anyway for fast moving stuff - especially since capturing a great image of Robbie Kerr sideways around Padock Hill in the first A1 meet only to find it slightly out of focus when I got back).
Sound observations.
More Mega thingummies basically just means capital expenditure on computer hardware and CD/DVD's to cope with bigger files plus somewhere to store them. If you really need to blow something up to A0 that's fine but there must be a limit to how many large images can be displayed anywhere and if you are using a screen the quality will be stuffed anyway. If the blow-up is to compensate for the subject being too small in the framed image then a more appropriate lens is required (though that will bring its own challenges.) That or selecting a better position to take the shots.
If you are planning to shoot a lot of landscapes the Mpix count my well be more of a consideration but the number of rapid consecutive frames could be irrelevant - so your choice of body would be for a large sensor with process to memory time and frame rate buffers not too important. Shooting action stuff would probably lead you to high frame rates (so possibly smaller Mpix for smaller files) and something with a recognised fast focus system. At any given point in the marketplace there will be a trade-off - the marketing boys will see to that.
As for pre-focussing, I think you learn a lot that way (but not about the vagaries of auto-focus lenses and systems). All my ancient technology kit is manual focus so I have no options. I am just learning how interesting the challenge of manual focusing with a 600mm lens can be. Also the need to take the shot where you planned to and not where the more interesting action occurs!
daydreamer said:
Finally - robustness. Yes, you may be able to chuck a 1D out of the back of a landrover, pick it up later and it would still be fine. However, If I spend £1k on a piece of kit it gets well looked after - additional robustness would not bring any benefits whatsoever.
To look at that another way ...
If you are earning your living taking photos on assignments you need all the quality of picture and kit you can get so that you can be sure to get the shots that earn the cash to keep you in business. For this you pay, not the least by duplicating everything (nearly) and making sure it is as bomb proof as possible. You will probably still be upgrading every 18 months to 2 years.
Alternatively you can buy very good quality at about 20% of the price and for the same budget throw it away (though more likely trade it) every 6 months. (and in any case the lenses are more important and more costly but are compatible across the range providing you don't do for the "S" ranges only.
At the moment I have the luxury of 4 bodies and a fair number of lenses, which is proving to be great working with 35mm 'cos I can load up different film in the bodies and have different lenses mounted ready for almost anything. With a digital kit base the film issue does away (providing you can change ISO settings quite quickly perhaps? The equivalent of different films in some ways ...) but I would think the 2 bodies with different lenses would still be desirable. Better than changing lenses frequently. So you could get a couple of 20D's (for example) for the price of a 5D. Or a 5D and a 1D IIn for the price of a 1Ds II.
Any spare cash could then be spent on the body building course.
PS to daydreamer:
There is an application called Focus Magic (www.focusmagic.com) which seeks to do some smart fixing for slightly out of focus images both normal out of focus and that caused by movement. I have played with it a little. Looks like it could work quite well in the right circumstances. There is a free trial (or was, not checked recently) so you could give it a whirl on your Robbie Kerr shot.
Black5 said:
30D is a real disappointment. They may as well have called it a 20Dn.
They had a good opportunity to retain customers that are tempted by the D200, yet I think they have failed.
Not sure about that.
The detailed changes seem pretty positive all around and on balance. At least they do for Canon's target market.
If I was an existing Canon EOS system user with lenses and dedicate flash units, battery grip and so on I am not at all sure I would dump all of that and swap to Nikon.
If I was a first time DSLR user with no particular special high priority requirements the in-shop decision might be swayed by the Nikon. However other than price area and core functions the objectives of the two bodies seem to be quite a bit different and almost not in competition with each other at all. So anyone defining their specific order of needs priority will probably find it quite easy to decide which to buy.
LongQ said:Thread bookmarked - many thanks LongQ - I shall have a play at the weekend!
PS to daydreamer:
There is an application called Focus Magic (www.focusmagic.com) which seeks to do some smart fixing for slightly out of focus images both normal out of focus and that caused by movement.
Rich
matt gravy said:Like many others, Im looking at the 5D rather than the 30D. I dont plan on wasting money I've worked hard to earn. I'll end up making the best decision for me, its not your wonga so whats the big deal.
Guys,
he's not listening to sense. He wants what he wants, and not what he needs or can justify. Let him waste the money, afterall its his decision.
Matt
UKBob said:
Guys,
he's not listening to sense. He wants what he wants, and not what he needs or can justify. Let him waste the money, afterall its his decision.
Matt
The big deal is you posting so many threads asking for advice, then just doing what you were going to do anyway. Why solicit opinions if you're not interested?
dcw@pr said:The extra print resolution is very attractive, and reviews from 20D owners who used the camera say in many respects, its half way to a 1Ds, and if you've got the money well worth it over a 20d. I just... really like what Ive read.
if you can afford the 5D over the 30D then go for that - it's not as if there's that much difference in functioning.
srider said:Not interested?? I have learned a great deal by reading everyones comments, posts, opinions and thoughts. Its been great, cheers matie, its all good stuff as far as Im concerned. I read most threads twice, learnt a bundle, and am doing the best I can to educate myself on DSLR's.
The big deal is you posting so many threads asking for advice, then just doing what you were going to do anyway. Why solicit opinions if you're not interested?
If I make an informed decision to buy gear you personally would not have bought, whats the big deal? If you're after my thanks for your comments, you've got it.
UKBob said:
if you can afford the 5D over the 30D then go for that - it's not as if there's that much difference in functioning.
yup im agreeing with you. Get the 5D
UKBob said:
Guys,
he's not listening to sense. He wants what he wants, and not what he needs or can justify. Let him waste the money, afterall its his decision.
Matt
as you have quoted, its your decision. No big deal. I was just pointing out that there is very little need for anybody else to take the time to contribute their opinion for it to fall by the wayside.
If you havent done any photography before starting with a great camera is likely to be a disappointment as you are likely to get very high res crap photos for a long time before you get to grips with it, which can put people off. Im just putting across the same opinion as most others.
When i started learning the piano i didnt get a steinway grand because theres no point (how did i know that id stick with it?)
When i learnt to drive i did it in a bsm shopping trolley not a 911 GT2 (my lack of inexperience wouldnt have got anywhere near the performance it can offer and still wouldnt by a million miles)
When i learnt photography i did it with a sony cybershot that still had full manual settings but was simple to operate and get pleasing results from (I still maintain that I could probably shoot a feature for a mag with it)
As I said though, upto you.
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