The Camera can capture some fantastic moments....

The Camera can capture some fantastic moments....

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Emsman

6,847 posts

158 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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Christ, i have been in the oub for 5 hours, and it still looks rough.

And the gun appears to be made from MDF?

Mind you, my kebab seems to be made from ste.

Goodnight everone- except for female sniper.


A1GOY

1,521 posts

170 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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Emsman said:
Christ, i have been in the oub for 5 hours, and it still looks rough.

And the gun appears to be made from MDF?

Mind you, my kebab seems to be made from ste.

Goodnight everone- except for female sniper.
Class.

skylinecrazy

13,885 posts

162 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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reaper668 said:
hehe

That's a brilliant picture.

AUDIHenry

2,201 posts

155 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Burnedout said:
Saddle bum said:
AUDIHenry said:
Bushmaster said:
Mexico. said:
Roza Yegorovna Shanina she was very good with sniping she was in the 184th Red Banner Rifle Division She was responsible for 54 confirmed kills, including 12 enemy snipers, during the Battle of Vilnius biggrin
The weapon she is holding is an 1891-30 Mosin-Nagant, 7.62mm, bolt-action. It can hold two rounds in the internal chamber below the receiver as well as one in the breech. Hers is the sniper version, in which the bolt is angled downwards so it doesn't interfere with the telescopic sight; most had straight bolts.

I have one too!

(unfortunately deactivated).

The one Jude Law uses in 'Enemy at the Gates' does not appear to be a sniper version as it has the straight bolt.

Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 25th January 14:33
Just want to add that it is the 7.62x54R cartridge, not the more common 7.62x39 as found in the AK47 and its variants. It is a fearsome gun with a kick that will break your shoulder off, so the fact that she was able to not only handle it but master it is a feat in its own.
The rifle ain't so bad, the carbine is a little bh.
The Rifle she is holding in a Tokarev SVT-40 a semi- auto rifle introduced into USSR service in 1938, it was chambered in the 7.62 X 54R standard issue cartridge of the day. There were sniper variants produced in this design with a 3.5X PU scope. they were effective infantry rifles however they were frequently disadvantaged by vertical shot dispersion making them unsuitable as a sniper rifle and they were withdrawn as sniper rifles in 1942.
As to being a "fearsome gun with a kick that will break your shoulder off", the persons who suffered from this shoulder destroying performance of this cartridge must have had weakened biology compared to modern man. The 7.62 X 54R in the Moisten-Nagant (bolt-action) or Tokarev rifle, (semi-auto), developed about 19 to 20 foot pounds free recoil, approximately the same as the SMLE 303 MkVII.
This sort of recoil of course is made to feel worse on your shoulder & cheek when coupled with poor stock design which a lot of military rifle designs suffered from.
A Winchester 300 Magnum has a free recoil of about 40 - 45 foot pounds in a modern sporting rifle.
The 500 Jeffery (or Schuler), which was for a time the most powerful bolt action production rifle in the world has a free recoil of 105 foot pounds in a 12 pound rifle.
I owned a Mosin and fired it often. There was not ONE PERSON who wouldn't be in pain after shooting heavy ball through it. Numbers are great, but the feeling is something else and you don't know it unless you have experience.

Either you haven't shot or you've shot blanks or practice rounds.

Wacky Racer

34,385 posts

215 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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biggrin

Bushmaster

26,807 posts

247 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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AUDIHenry said:
Burnedout said:
Saddle bum said:
AUDIHenry said:
Bushmaster said:
Mexico. said:
Roza Yegorovna Shanina she was very good with sniping she was in the 184th Red Banner Rifle Division She was responsible for 54 confirmed kills, including 12 enemy snipers, during the Battle of Vilnius biggrin
The weapon she is holding is an 1891-30 Mosin-Nagant, 7.62mm, bolt-action. It can hold two rounds in the internal chamber below the receiver as well as one in the breech. Hers is the sniper version, in which the bolt is angled downwards so it doesn't interfere with the telescopic sight; most had straight bolts.

I have one too!

(unfortunately deactivated).

The one Jude Law uses in 'Enemy at the Gates' does not appear to be a sniper version as it has the straight bolt.

Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 25th January 14:33
Just want to add that it is the 7.62x54R cartridge, not the more common 7.62x39 as found in the AK47 and its variants. It is a fearsome gun with a kick that will break your shoulder off, so the fact that she was able to not only handle it but master it is a feat in its own.
The rifle ain't so bad, the carbine is a little bh.
The Rifle she is holding in a Tokarev SVT-40 a semi- auto rifle introduced into USSR service in 1938, it was chambered in the 7.62 X 54R standard issue cartridge of the day. There were sniper variants produced in this design with a 3.5X PU scope. they were effective infantry rifles however they were frequently disadvantaged by vertical shot dispersion making them unsuitable as a sniper rifle and they were withdrawn as sniper rifles in 1942.
As to being a "fearsome gun with a kick that will break your shoulder off", the persons who suffered from this shoulder destroying performance of this cartridge must have had weakened biology compared to modern man. The 7.62 X 54R in the Moisten-Nagant (bolt-action) or Tokarev rifle, (semi-auto), developed about 19 to 20 foot pounds free recoil, approximately the same as the SMLE 303 MkVII.
This sort of recoil of course is made to feel worse on your shoulder & cheek when coupled with poor stock design which a lot of military rifle designs suffered from.
A Winchester 300 Magnum has a free recoil of about 40 - 45 foot pounds in a modern sporting rifle.
The 500 Jeffery (or Schuler), which was for a time the most powerful bolt action production rifle in the world has a free recoil of 105 foot pounds in a 12 pound rifle.
I owned a Mosin and fired it often. There was not ONE PERSON who wouldn't be in pain after shooting heavy ball through it. Numbers are great, but the feeling is something else and you don't know it unless you have experience.

Either you haven't shot or you've shot blanks or practice rounds.
To be fair, the butt of the Mosin is quite small (compared to a FAL SLR, say) so there would be a lot more pressure per square inch on the shoulder, and it is capped in steel (the SLR has a plastic/rubber cap). I can imagine the Mosin not being that comfortable to fire.


Burnedout

478 posts

158 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
AUDIHenry said:
Burnedout said:
Saddle bum said:
AUDIHenry said:
Bushmaster said:
Mexico. said:
Roza Yegorovna Shanina she was very good with sniping she was in the 184th Red Banner Rifle Division She was responsible for 54 confirmed kills, including 12 enemy snipers, during the Battle of Vilnius biggrin
The weapon she is holding is an 1891-30 Mosin-Nagant, 7.62mm, bolt-action. It can hold two rounds in the internal chamber below the receiver as well as one in the breech. Hers is the sniper version, in which the bolt is angled downwards so it doesn't interfere with the telescopic sight; most had straight bolts.

I have one too!

(unfortunately deactivated).

The one Jude Law uses in 'Enemy at the Gates' does not appear to be a sniper version as it has the straight bolt.

Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 25th January 14:33
Just want to add that it is the 7.62x54R cartridge, not the more common 7.62x39 as found in the AK47 and its variants. It is a fearsome gun with a kick that will break your shoulder off, so the fact that she was able to not only handle it but master it is a feat in its own.
The rifle ain't so bad, the carbine is a little bh.
The Rifle she is holding in a Tokarev SVT-40 a semi- auto rifle introduced into USSR service in 1938, it was chambered in the 7.62 X 54R standard issue cartridge of the day. There were sniper variants produced in this design with a 3.5X PU scope. they were effective infantry rifles however they were frequently disadvantaged by vertical shot dispersion making them unsuitable as a sniper rifle and they were withdrawn as sniper rifles in 1942.
As to being a "fearsome gun with a kick that will break your shoulder off", the persons who suffered from this shoulder destroying performance of this cartridge must have had weakened biology compared to modern man. The 7.62 X 54R in the Moisten-Nagant (bolt-action) or Tokarev rifle, (semi-auto), developed about 19 to 20 foot pounds free recoil, approximately the same as the SMLE 303 MkVII.
This sort of recoil of course is made to feel worse on your shoulder & cheek when coupled with poor stock design which a lot of military rifle designs suffered from.
A Winchester 300 Magnum has a free recoil of about 40 - 45 foot pounds in a modern sporting rifle.
The 500 Jeffery (or Schuler), which was for a time the most powerful bolt action production rifle in the world has a free recoil of 105 foot pounds in a 12 pound rifle.
I owned a Mosin and fired it often. There was not ONE PERSON who wouldn't be in pain after shooting heavy ball through it. Numbers are great, but the feeling is something else and you don't know it unless you have experience.

Either you haven't shot or you've shot blanks or practice rounds.
To be fair, the butt of the Mosin is quite small (compared to a FAL SLR, say) so there would be a lot more pressure per square inch on the shoulder, and it is capped in steel (the SLR has a plastic/rubber cap). I can imagine the Mosin not being that comfortable to fire.
Please dont take my post the wrong way - recoil is not pleasant! I am merely trying to point out that recoil is physics, simple as that.

I presently own 7 long arms and have been actively shooting & hunting for nearly 40 years. Until just recently I owned a 500 Jeffery & used it frequently. I reload my own ammunition for the rifles I use except a 22LR.
In a past life I studied Ballistics & worked in the field.

Wacky Racer

34,385 posts

215 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Bushmaster

26,807 posts

247 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Wacky Racer said:
Wasn't he taken away and shot in the end?

Cara Van Man

29,977 posts

219 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
Wacky Racer said:
Wasn't he taken away and shot in the end?
I think he got 20 hours community service for shoplifting and breech of the peace.

Wacky Racer

34,385 posts

215 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
Wacky Racer said:
Wasn't he taken away and shot in the end?
Who knows??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

Bushmaster

26,807 posts

247 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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This is why you should never dive, dive, dive in the shallow end.


alsem

580 posts

158 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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did i park my car on the left or the right?

boobles

15,241 posts

183 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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A1GOY said:
williamp said:
stephen300o said:
A1GOY said:
hugoagogo said:
Mexico. said:
This might be a repost


that aircraft hangar fire suppression test got out of hand, eh?
Where is that?
I could be mistaken but I think it's Norwich.
Yep. Its out by the ring road. Lotus factory on the left hand side, under the cotton wool
How can somewhere so manky look so nice?!
Are you sure that is norwich?

R.P.McMurphy

34,766 posts

211 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Whoooooosh.................

callyman

3,129 posts

180 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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R.P.McMurphy said:
Whoooooosh.................
+1

callyman

3,129 posts

180 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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boobles said:
A1GOY said:
williamp said:
stephen300o said:
A1GOY said:
hugoagogo said:
Mexico. said:
This might be a repost


that aircraft hangar fire suppression test got out of hand, eh?
Where is that?
I could be mistaken but I think it's Norwich.
Yep. Its out by the ring road. Lotus factory on the left hand side, under the cotton wool
How can somewhere so manky look so nice?!
Are you sure that is norwich?
Of course it's not you spanner. It's Newbury.

boobles

15,241 posts

183 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Oh, i thought it was King Nasty's. biggrin

callyman

3,129 posts

180 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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boobles said:
Oh, i thought it was King Nasty's. biggrin
How predictable. rolleyes

boobles

15,241 posts

183 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Ofcourse wink
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