Audi TT Mk1 Mirrors
Discussion
phillpot said:
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When fitting electric mirrors but not wiring them up how do you adjust them?
PhillpotWhen fitting electric mirrors but not wiring them up how do you adjust them?
The mirrors adjust by pressing on the mirror glass, a bit more resistance as you are pushing against the motor but they stay where you set them.
Tony
Just seen this topic. Back in 2009 a guy called Mick made a comment in the forum about fitting TT mirrors. We exchanged a few emails and he sent me the following (as if I was ever going to fit them myself!). Somewhere I might have some photos he sent me as well...
Mick said:
Hi Ian
I must say I'm rather pleased with the TT mirrors on my S, it wasn't very
difficult to fit them - just time consuming. I think they suit the car
better than some of the other alternatives people go for - but that's just
down to personal taste. They also tend to be more expensive to buy than
others but you just have to wait till the right ones come up on eBay. I paid
£100 for a pair about three years ago now. Mind you I have sent this write
up out to about 15 people now so you may have some competition in the
bidding!!
Anyhow this is what I did:
I was replacing the early S1/S2 type mirrors and the shroud from the TT
mirror completely covered the remains of the old mount.
You need the TT mirrors complete with the cast mounting (which on the Audi
attaches by two vertical bolts onto a mount inside the door) and shroud. In
terms of fixing them on I've attached some pics of what I did and the
finished job, and some words below describe what I did - hope these help. I
fitted the mirrors with the window glass removed from the door. It may be
possible to do it with the glass in place but it would be quite difficult.
The standard mirror is mounted on a collar that is glassed into the door. I
removed the mirror and the dumbbell shaped metal bit (by gently levering the
mirror body away from the door) leaving the plastic collar/mount in the
door. I then removed (by very careful sawing with a hacksaw blade and then
grinding with a little Dremel type grinder) the outer bit of this mount so I
was left with a relatively smooth outer surface. This provided a reinforced
bit of door to mount the new mirror on. I then ground the Audi TT mounting
bracket to the correct angle and made it very slightly concave to match the
door profile. (I used a bench grinder for this). This took a lot of time to
get right as you need the finished article to sit vertical otherwise you
will have droopy or sticky-up mirrors. Also, before you start grinding, make
sure you have the correct mount for that side of the car (ie n/s or o/s -
sounds silly but they are different because the mirrors sit at different
angles - the passenger one is angled back a bit so it lets you see down the
side of the car from the drivers seat , the drivers one is more square with
the car, if you see what I mean). The little lumpy plastic washers which
provide the indents for the mirror's normal and folded positions are also
important to ensure the mirrors sit in the right position.
I then drilled two 5mm holes through the mounting at an angle so when bolts
were fitted they passed through the door skin at 90deg to the skin. I fitted
a flat aluminium plate between the modified mount and the door skin to
spread the load a bit.(the pics should make this a lot clearer, I hope). I
used 5 mm by about 50mm countersunk bolts countersunk into the housing
otherwise they foul the shroud when it is fitted. I also put a spreader
plate on the inside of the door(on the back of the remains of the standard
mount to spread the load on the inside. Make sure that all the bits on the
inside do not foul the window when you refit it you may need to shorten the
bolts. On the outside you do need to be careful that you position the mirror
mount so that the mirror casing clears the door glass, including when the
mirror is folded in (because you can do that with Audi ones, I think some
may have an electric drive for folding which would be a bit cool - but mine
didn't). Also don't position it too far down the door or you won't see it!
The shroud I also attacked with the bench grinder to get roughly the right
profile and then finished it off with a hand file. I did not have much room
for error on this. The drivers side went OK but the passenger one is not so
good - may get another shroud and have another go when I have nothing else
to do! Holding the shrouds on was achieved by bonding little brackets on to
them then screwing them on with self tappers into epoxy metal that I had put
inside the standard Audi mounting holes in the brackets. Again the pics may
help make this clear.
The mirrors I used were electric and had heated glass although I didn't wire
that bit up. I wired the mirror up/down, in/out bit using a Vauxhall
Cavalier door mirror switch which I mounted in a small panel fitted inside
the driver's side ashtray housing - (no picture of this at the moment but
will take one if required). The wiring took quite a while to sort out (by
trial and error). There are only three connections to each mirror which is
one or two less than you would expect for up/down/left/right and earth but
it seems to work by switching plus or minus 12v across pairs of the
terminals to give the four directions of movement. I guess this is standard
electric mirror wiring because the Cavalier switch did all the correct
switching. I have a wiring diagram somewhere, which I will dig out if you
need it.
Not sure that the above is all that clear, please feel free to ask any
questions and I will try and clarify.
Hope it helps I must say I'm rather pleased with the TT mirrors on my S, it wasn't very
difficult to fit them - just time consuming. I think they suit the car
better than some of the other alternatives people go for - but that's just
down to personal taste. They also tend to be more expensive to buy than
others but you just have to wait till the right ones come up on eBay. I paid
£100 for a pair about three years ago now. Mind you I have sent this write
up out to about 15 people now so you may have some competition in the
bidding!!
Anyhow this is what I did:
I was replacing the early S1/S2 type mirrors and the shroud from the TT
mirror completely covered the remains of the old mount.
You need the TT mirrors complete with the cast mounting (which on the Audi
attaches by two vertical bolts onto a mount inside the door) and shroud. In
terms of fixing them on I've attached some pics of what I did and the
finished job, and some words below describe what I did - hope these help. I
fitted the mirrors with the window glass removed from the door. It may be
possible to do it with the glass in place but it would be quite difficult.
The standard mirror is mounted on a collar that is glassed into the door. I
removed the mirror and the dumbbell shaped metal bit (by gently levering the
mirror body away from the door) leaving the plastic collar/mount in the
door. I then removed (by very careful sawing with a hacksaw blade and then
grinding with a little Dremel type grinder) the outer bit of this mount so I
was left with a relatively smooth outer surface. This provided a reinforced
bit of door to mount the new mirror on. I then ground the Audi TT mounting
bracket to the correct angle and made it very slightly concave to match the
door profile. (I used a bench grinder for this). This took a lot of time to
get right as you need the finished article to sit vertical otherwise you
will have droopy or sticky-up mirrors. Also, before you start grinding, make
sure you have the correct mount for that side of the car (ie n/s or o/s -
sounds silly but they are different because the mirrors sit at different
angles - the passenger one is angled back a bit so it lets you see down the
side of the car from the drivers seat , the drivers one is more square with
the car, if you see what I mean). The little lumpy plastic washers which
provide the indents for the mirror's normal and folded positions are also
important to ensure the mirrors sit in the right position.
I then drilled two 5mm holes through the mounting at an angle so when bolts
were fitted they passed through the door skin at 90deg to the skin. I fitted
a flat aluminium plate between the modified mount and the door skin to
spread the load a bit.(the pics should make this a lot clearer, I hope). I
used 5 mm by about 50mm countersunk bolts countersunk into the housing
otherwise they foul the shroud when it is fitted. I also put a spreader
plate on the inside of the door(on the back of the remains of the standard
mount to spread the load on the inside. Make sure that all the bits on the
inside do not foul the window when you refit it you may need to shorten the
bolts. On the outside you do need to be careful that you position the mirror
mount so that the mirror casing clears the door glass, including when the
mirror is folded in (because you can do that with Audi ones, I think some
may have an electric drive for folding which would be a bit cool - but mine
didn't). Also don't position it too far down the door or you won't see it!
The shroud I also attacked with the bench grinder to get roughly the right
profile and then finished it off with a hand file. I did not have much room
for error on this. The drivers side went OK but the passenger one is not so
good - may get another shroud and have another go when I have nothing else
to do! Holding the shrouds on was achieved by bonding little brackets on to
them then screwing them on with self tappers into epoxy metal that I had put
inside the standard Audi mounting holes in the brackets. Again the pics may
help make this clear.
The mirrors I used were electric and had heated glass although I didn't wire
that bit up. I wired the mirror up/down, in/out bit using a Vauxhall
Cavalier door mirror switch which I mounted in a small panel fitted inside
the driver's side ashtray housing - (no picture of this at the moment but
will take one if required). The wiring took quite a while to sort out (by
trial and error). There are only three connections to each mirror which is
one or two less than you would expect for up/down/left/right and earth but
it seems to work by switching plus or minus 12v across pairs of the
terminals to give the four directions of movement. I guess this is standard
electric mirror wiring because the Cavalier switch did all the correct
switching. I have a wiring diagram somewhere, which I will dig out if you
need it.
Not sure that the above is all that clear, please feel free to ask any
questions and I will try and clarify.
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