Stonehenge Tunnel

Stonehenge Tunnel

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Keep it stiff

Original Poster:

1,584 posts

142 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Back in the news again! It seems to me that every few years the idea goes back on the table, it gets pushed about a bit and end up being kicked down the road (excuse pun) for another day. I hope this will be the case again this time.

The news this week has it reported as either a £1.7bn project or a £2.4bn project, either way it is a shed load of money and that is before you add on the certainty of public sector budget over-run.

English Heritage set out the case as this:

"THE PROBLEM
Tens of thousands of vehicles thunder past Stonehenge on the A303 every day. The heavy traffic and constant noise from the road compromises our enjoyment and understanding of the monument and the road cuts the stones off from much of the surrounding ancient landscape and many prehistoric monuments."

The real problem with the A303 is that it is a combination of single and dual carriageway, the frequent congestion at the stretch that passes Stonehenge is a combination of drivers slowing to admire the stones and the west bound filter to single lane. The latter repeats in the subsequent sections of the 303 where dual lane becomes single. The proposed dual carriageway tunnel is going to do little for west bound congestion, it will just move it down the road to the next pinch point.

I'm all for protecting our national heritage and of course the stones are rightly classified as a world heritage site however the suggestion of dressing up a tunnel scheme to provide cultural and economic benefit is false. I see little/no economic benefit, yes it might enhance the cultural experience but at a cost of billions is that really a priority right now?


David_M

229 posts

19 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Keep it stiff said:
The news this week has it reported as either a £1.7bn project or a £2.4bn project, either way it is a shed load of money and that is before you add on the certainty of public sector budget over-run.
Two billion so as to slightly reduce the noise levels for the tourists looking at old stones. Nuts.

Blackpuddin

12,436 posts

174 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Especially nuts when the 'problem' could be solved in a far more environmentally friendly and considerably less expensive way by putting a stand of trees between the road and Stonehenge. This is a vanity project gone mad.

Keep it stiff

Original Poster:

1,584 posts

142 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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There was an RFC airfield adjacent to Stonehenge a hundred years ago and at the time it was suggested at the time that the stones should be removed as they were a hazard to pilots!


Andeh1

6,601 posts

175 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Personally, I think we should hear more from Cas Smith, a druid & Anti-Tunnel Campaigner on his/her opinion. scratchchin Ease traffic flow, lower noise & air pollution, enhance the south-west economy, preserve & retain the natural land around Stonehenge.... naaaah, the Druid think it's a violation, sack it all off. biglaugh. Where do the BBC find these clowns!?




gareth h

2,681 posts

199 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Keep it stiff said:
There was an RFC airfield adjacent to Stonehenge a hundred years ago and at the time it was suggested at the time that the stones should be removed as they were a hazard to pilots!

I heard that story too, if the pilots couldn’t miss the stones they should have been sacked!

A few more pics




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Cfnteabag

1,134 posts

165 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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The trouble is, anything they plan just seems like a way to stop anybody seeing the Stones without paying the rip off prices to go to the visitor centre. the closed the road that ran alongside, they constantly fight to close the Byway that runs down the other side. Always using the argument its for the protection of the Stones and the site.

Blackpuddin

12,436 posts

174 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Cfnteabag said:
The trouble is, anything they plan just seems like a way to stop anybody seeing the Stones without paying the rip off prices to go to the visitor centre. the closed the road that ran alongside, they constantly fight to close the Byway that runs down the other side. Always using the argument its for the protection of the Stones and the site.
Financial gain is certainly one of the reasons although I'm not sure how they balance that against what are going to be outrageous build costs, factored up of course for the usual overruns, unexpected delays, alien invasions etc etc etc. English Heritage's protestations about traffic and constant noise are going to look pretty sick when the heavy plant moves in for several years, plus of course there's going to be massive traffic disruption during that time. None of which would be happening if they just screened it off with trees or even a honking great leylandii. I just don't see the upside of this. I thought vanity projects would be finished after Boris's Thames garden bridge and the Millennium Dump, but apparently not.

Keep it stiff

Original Poster:

1,584 posts

142 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Cfnteabag said:
The trouble is, anything they plan just seems like a way to stop anybody seeing the Stones without paying the rip off prices to go to the visitor centre. the closed the road that ran alongside, they constantly fight to close the Byway that runs down the other side. Always using the argument its for the protection of the Stones and the site.
That byway has vehicles on it most of the time, I think some people use it for camping. The closure a few years' ago of the A344 from the Stonehenge fork put more traffic on to the A303, from a stones point of view that was more understandable as it was very close. The 30's picture I have copied below I found on the English Heritage website, it shows the ex caretakers cottage and the cafe and lack of traffic!

In the 60's, en-route to our annual family holiday in Devon, my Dad would stop at Stonehenge, there is a picture in a family album of me climbing on the stones, which was perfectly acceptable back then.

Don't get me wrong, I love Stonehenge, I just don't think it is worth spending billions on a tunnel simply to obscure traffic from view, spending billions on upgrading the remaining single carriageway sections of the A303 on the other hand would be money well spent.


Blackpuddin

12,436 posts

174 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Fab pic. Love the 'fork left for Exeter' sign, giving the impression that it's just up the road a bit biggrin

sgrimshaw

6,888 posts

219 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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I've started the queue for the first TVR drive through .....

gareth h

2,681 posts

199 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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sgrimshaw said:
I've started the queue for the first TVR drive through .....
It’s only 5 miles up the road, I’m hoping they put a roundabout at each end so you don’t have to drive too far to turn round smile

TVR_Steve

2,686 posts

134 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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sgrimshaw said:
I've started the queue for the first TVR drive through .....
The brand new, dead straight, dual carriage A road built to modern safety standards, will be limited to 50mph by average cameras.....
See Hindhead Tunnel.

Sincerely,
A fellow TVR noisemaker

irocfan

28,099 posts

159 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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TVR_Steve said:
The brand new, dead straight, dual carriage A road built to modern safety standards, will be limited to 50mph by average cameras.....
See Hindhead Tunnel.

Sincerely,
A fellow TVR noisemaker
50mph is quite nice in 2nd thumbup mind you by that stage some twunt will have put noise 'cameras' up too rage

alfaspecial

904 posts

109 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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We are told that there will be a ban on ICE vehicles in just 10 years time..... so the bulk of the noise issue will just have been taken care of by say 2035?

A stupid waste of money - just like HS2.



Q). HS2 - Covid - everyone working from home ...... no need to travel to and fro between London and Manchester....... so why spend billions on a technologically redundant white elephant?
A). Fingers in pies....

Saleen836

9,068 posts

178 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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sgrimshaw said:
I've started the queue for the first TVR drive through .....
It's not far from me,can I tag along in my Mustang? hehe

boxxer7

33 posts

17 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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great photos i haven't seen them before, I'm a local and have to use countess roundabout daily Fridays and school holidays are a pain in the backside and that's just crossing it.

Not massively convinced a tunnel is the right thing and ill be surprised if it goes ahead seems to get shelved once they have spent a fortune on surveys etc.

Saleen836

9,068 posts

178 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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boxxer7 said:
great photos i haven't seen them before, I'm a local and have to use countess roundabout daily Fridays and school holidays are a pain in the backside and that's just crossing it.

Not massively convinced a tunnel is the right thing and ill be surprised if it goes ahead seems to get shelved once they have spent a fortune on surveys etc.
I still say the problems got a lot worse when they moved and altered the layout of the Long Barrow roundabout!

gareth h

2,681 posts

199 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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boxxer7 said:
great photos i haven't seen them before, I'm a local and have to use countess roundabout daily Fridays and school holidays are a pain in the backside and that's just crossing it.

Not massively convinced a tunnel is the right thing and ill be surprised if it goes ahead seems to get shelved once they have spent a fortune on surveys etc.
I used to have offices at Solstice Park, always thought you could do well selling maps of the rat runs to drivers stuck in stationary traffic east of countess

Isaac Hunt

13,196 posts

180 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Blackpuddin said:
Especially nuts when the 'problem' could be solved in a far more environmentally friendly and considerably less expensive way by putting a stand of trees between the road and Stonehenge. This is a vanity project gone mad.
Totally agree. Trees would be a low cost credible alternative. But I expect that English Heritage would not be happy at having their cash cow hidden from view.