Stonehenge Tunnel

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anonymous said:

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There is a fence around it. Do you mean one that is as tall Stonehenge and solid wood?

[caiss4]

ATG said:

This.

You clearly don't live in the area and have to deal with the consequences of the congestion on the A303. If an alternative route was viable it would have been adopted by now. This farago has been going on for 40+ years now and seems like it'll continue for another 40 years.

[The Mad Monk]

MiniMan64 said:

I think the rubber necking is vastly over estimated, people only “stop” to see it because they’re stuck in traffic caused by the constant single/dual carriageway changes.

Stuff a tunnel, find a better route for the road to the south west and use the money to build a proper road

Why don't they continue the dualling - at least to the next roundabout?

[alfaspecial]

alfaspecial said:

We are told that there will be a ban on ICE vehicles in just 10 years time..... so the bulk of the noise issue will just have been taken care of by say 2035?

A stupid waste of money - just like HS2.



Q). HS2 - Covid - everyone working from home ...... no need to travel to and fro between London and Manchester....... so why spend billions on a technologically redundant white elephant?
A). Fingers in pies....

Worth repeating. IMHO.

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alfaspecial said:

alfaspecial said:

We are told that there will be a ban on ICE vehicles in just 10 years time..... so the bulk of the noise issue will just have been taken care of by say 2035?

A stupid waste of money - just like HS2.



Q). HS2 - Covid - everyone working from home ...... no need to travel to and fro between London and Manchester....... so why spend billions on a technologically redundant white elephant?
A). Fingers in pies....

Worth repeating. IMHO.

A large bulk of noise is tyre noise isn't it?

[alfaspecial]

hyphen said:

alfaspecial said:

alfaspecial said:

We are told that there will be a ban on ICE vehicles in just 10 years time..... so the bulk of the noise issue will just have been taken care of by say 2035?

A stupid waste of money - just like HS2.



Q). HS2 - Covid - everyone working from home ...... no need to travel to and fro between London and Manchester....... so why spend billions on a technologically redundant white elephant?
A). Fingers in pies....

Worth repeating. IMHO.

A large bulk of noise is tyre noise isn't it?

True but exacerbated by the current 'fashion' of having wide tyres. A 'simple' way of increasing range of BEVs is less rolling resistance by decreasing the size (width) of tyres. Therefore less noise.

[croyde]

If a bunch of caveman could shift those blocks from Wales, surely a bunch of builders with a few JCBs could have the lot shifted, so it's out of site of the A303, in an afternoon.

Including tea breaks

[Yertis]

croyde said:

If a bunch of caveman could shift those blocks from Wales, surely a bunch of builders with a few JCBs could have the lot shifted, so it's out of site of the A303, in an afternoon.

Including tea breaks

Good lateral thinking

[gareth h]

anonymous said:

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Yep, rubberneckers are a big problem, traffic slows down even if the road isn’t busy, The sensible solution would be dual carriageway along the existing route with a berm each side to hide the road from the stones and the stones from the road, live with the noise, if you quieten the road noise you’ll only be be able to hear the army more clearly!

[The Mad Monk]

anonymous said:

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No. You are doing this wrong.

If we build Stonehenge lookey likeys all the way along the A303 coming out of Hampshire, people will be so fed up with Stonehenges, they won't give the real one a second glance.

Now, that's creative thinking.

[gareth h]

The Mad Monk said:

No. You are doing this wrong.

If we build Stonehenge lookey likeys all the way along the A303 coming out of Hampshire, people will be so fed up with Stonehenges, they won't give the real one a second glance.

Now, that's creative thinking.

[TTmonkey]

All his fuss over something that’s a bit st

[Zetec-S]

The Mad Monk said:

Why don't they continue the dualling - at least to the next roundabout?

^^^ This makes a lot of sense. Surely a lot cheaper, even if you have to pay off the farmer to the south of the A303?

Unless those fields also have a load of old pots and pans buried in them too...

[gareth h]

Zetec-S said:

^^^ This makes a lot of sense. Surely a lot cheaper, even if you have to pay off the farmer to the south of the A303?

Unless those fields also have a load of old pots and pans buried in them too...

I know the farmer, they have been misled and lied to through the whole process

[Blackpuddin]

anonymous said:

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[Evanivitch]

We need a national tunnel building strategy.

Start with Stonehenge.
Then we'll have a tunnel instead of the Newport M4 relief road.
Southend on Sea next.
Anglesey Menai tunnel.
Upgrade the Severn tunnel.

[Saleen836]

The first roundabout after Stonehenge (heading West) is also a major contributor to the traffic problems,it became a lot worse after they altered said roundabout

[Blackpuddin]

It certainly did after they blocked the old road past the stones, another stupid idea.

[ATG]

caiss4 said:

ATG said:

This.

You clearly don't live in the area and have to deal with the consequences of the congestion on the A303. If an alternative route was viable it would have been adopted by now. This farago has been going on for 40+ years now and seems like it'll continue for another 40 years.

Given that modifying the A303 on its current route is not a viable option without trashing a world heritage site, the alternative is to give through-traffic an alternative route and leave the current problematic sections of the A303 to carry local traffic. The idea that there is no alternative to the current route of the A303 for any new tarmac or an upgrade clearly isn't true.

[caiss4]

ATG said:

caiss4 said:

ATG said:

This.

You clearly don't live in the area and have to deal with the consequences of the congestion on the A303. If an alternative route was viable it would have been adopted by now. This farago has been going on for 40+ years now and seems like it'll continue for another 40 years.

Given that modifying the A303 on its current route is not a viable option without trashing a world heritage site, the alternative is to give through-traffic an alternative route and leave the current problematic sections of the A303 to carry local traffic. The idea that there is no alternative to the current route of the A303 for any new tarmac or an upgrade clearly isn't true.

You clearly don't understand the physical geography around here. As I stated the A303 debate has been going on for the best part of my life and certainly all my driving life. All kinds of options have been considered.

There is no option to move the road to the north as it would run through the Plain and the army's training ground. Further north still and it would be going through the Vale of Pewsey. Move it south and it would impinge on Salisbury. None of these are viable options due to the impact on the current population and conserved areas.

Some folk on here have said why not just dual the existing road. These suggestions were debated and thrown out 40 years ago by the 'ooh, you mustn't disturb this archaeological site'. So after many years the decision was to go for a tunnel and now the same ludites reckon this will still destroy this significant archaeological area.

The suggestion that rubberneckers cause the hold-ups is absolutely true and so perhaps some kind of screen would alleviate this. Well, I can understand that a fence would probably be inappropriate but trees... why not? After all when Stonehenge was constructed the Plain was heavily forested but it seems this has been conveniently ignored with the modern image of the Stones standing on a windswept barren field of grass grazed by sheep.