RE: Ginetta G4

RE: Ginetta G4

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the winner

146 posts

177 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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I think that car got made there just a while a go
I must have hit a nerve on how these cars get registered !! as my post got deleted !!
We all know that you can not make a car today and register it and not go through ' SVA/ IVA !!

' OR IS THERE '

Broomsticklady

1,095 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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I suspect it was deleted because it is Pistonheads policy to delete 'name and shame' posts that are not substantiated by fact, because of the potential litigious nature of such posts....

And let's not get all self-righteous about this, as even Dare put cars through SVA then change them afterwards (the fixed headlight G4 bonet is not SVA-compliant, but most customers prefer it).

GinG15

499 posts

131 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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it looks like some G15´s getting sacrificed to make "others" roadlegal...hmmm...

recently a G27 was sold, i think abroad, with a g15 reg.- and chassinumber ...and there is only 1 reason: to avoid SVA/Iva. The seller said that the V5 came from the same premises as this green G4, which seems to have "borrowed" a G15 registration, too.

but why: the green one looks like a "real" G4. roundtube chassis in enginebay.
was it never registered as it spent its time as an unregistered racecar in the past? or is it really a re-manufactured car, completely new?

the winner

146 posts

177 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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A G15 's log book is worth more than the car ! A £1000/£2000 car take the log book put it on a newly made G4/G12 built in original spec !
ha-presto a registered car worth £18 /£25 /£30,000 + a good return on your money !!
not only are you loosing a G15 and making a fake car !
but Ginetta history is being fked up for a fast buck
" Oh yea and it is illegal "

dandarez

11,692 posts

243 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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Snapper7 said:
When I was looking to purchase it the info supplied to me was: 1999/2000 Metallic Silver Dare G4 Coupe, Wide body long cockpit model.

If it is a car you are interested in, ask for pictures of the underside before traveling to see it. I did have a fair amount of communications in relations to this car and decided it was not for me.
Provisionally sold. The dual owner thing was a bit of a club mess up. Current owner bought it 4 years ago.

James. DZ is still ongoing saga. Owner must spend a lot of time away (out of country I assume). Still seen only a couple of G4s I really like, but... Ah well, roll on the Spring, will sell the Mini then. Can count blessings, could have bought the Bally car ...now at Spadge for what I'd call a rebuild!

An option would be to sell the G11 once I get the screen from Spadge and get the car properly up and running again.)

B parts are in such abundance but the only problem is when something is so rare you daren't go away from its originality anymore. Be nice to stick a 4.8 litre in and wide arches and great big Minilites so it becomes a disguised G10, but that would be sacrilege now. If I sold it though, what's the betting that would be the first thing to happen to it?

I better start doing the lottery again!

GinG15

499 posts

131 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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is the DVLA sleeping in these matters (G15 logbooks for G4´s)?
anybody ever tried to report such a hank-panky?


louisee

67 posts

131 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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I've checked behind the sofa, I've raided the kids piggy banks and emptied the loose chane out of Mr Louisee's pockets and I think there's may be just enough to make Dandarez a reasonable offer for the G11. So whisper in my ear what will make your car disappear...

dandarez

11,692 posts

243 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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louisee said:
I've checked behind the sofa, I've raided the kids piggy banks and emptied the loose chane out of Mr Louisee's pockets and I think there's may be just enough to make Dandarez a reasonable offer for the G11. So whisper in my ear what will make your car disappear...
It would have to be a reasonable LOAD!


louisee

67 posts

131 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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Hmmm - would a half full jar of marmite, three empty packets of cheesy whatzits and a used ticket to the 1984 palladium pantomine show suffice? (these were indeed what was found at the back of aforesaid sofa) No? then it will have to be the diamond ring also discovered, much to my delight and valued (conservatively of course) at about half the price of a decent round tube G4. Offers?

GinG15

499 posts

131 months

Sunday 7th February 2010
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hope the green Ginetta does not belong to one of these:




awbeheer

1 posts

193 months

Monday 1st March 2010
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geeeman said:
the netherlands car may not be an original car ...
i did some research
insults do not belong on this forum
mr geeeman never contacted my on the history of my original car with proven documentation This car is known by the factory , I Walklett and Spadge of ginetta heretage

An Employee of Ginetta Stehan Tapin bought
the car on 15/09/1964 direct from the factory
i have even the original bill of sale and photo's and race results of that time I have a copy of the class win reports in 1965 and 1966 It was seen on
many tracks in the UK

it a original chassis 4/174 and restored by Fos Wilson with the help of Spadge of Ginetta heritage

the winner

146 posts

177 months

Monday 1st March 2010
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Who can remember [ only fools and horses ] the broom sketch

geeeman

1,239 posts

215 months

Monday 1st March 2010
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sorry if i offended
but that was the result of the enquiries i made at the time.
was only relaying the opinions i was given

jamesG20V6

872 posts

217 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2010
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^^ And there lies the problem.

GinG15

499 posts

131 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2010
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to bring this one back in mind again:

this car http://ginetta-online.eu/ is a G15...on the V5.....!!!!



Edited by GinG15 on Tuesday 2nd March 21:59

GinELla

61 posts

140 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2010
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Does someone know the story of the G15 that originally had that chassis number?

I've got a 1973 G15 with a strange chassis number, "158476016". The number is stamped in the correct spot on the galvanized frame and the VIN tag looks original, but is pop riveted to the left hand side in the engine compartment. The first owner was supposedly "Father Williams". I've found traces of the original violet paint inside the engine cover and on the back side of the front bumpers. This strengthen the belief that this is the "Father Williams" car, I think, unless someone knows of another G15 that was painted violet at some time.


Edited by GinELla on Tuesday 2nd March 22:52


Edited by GinELla on Tuesday 2nd March 22:52

dandarez

11,692 posts

243 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2010
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GinELla said:
Does someone know the story of the G15 that originally had that chassis number?

I've got a 1973 G15 with a strange chassis number, "158476016". The number is stamped in the correct spot on the galvanized frame and the VIN tag looks original, but is pop riveted to the left hand side in the engine compartment. The first owner was supposedly "Father Williams". I've found traces of the original violet paint inside the engine cover and on the back side of the front bumpers. This strengthen the belief that this is the "Father Williams" car, I think, unless someone knows of another G15 that was painted violet at some time.
Hi Tom

do you have a photo of the number on the chassis? Should be right in front of the engine mounting on the flat of the chassis frame - see bot right hand pic in Super Profile page 37. Rub the chassis paint off to see it clearly (although you say your chassis is galvanised?) That 'vin' tag looks suspicious to me, but don't imported cars get re-numbered tagged anyway?

GinELla

61 posts

140 months

Thursday 4th March 2010
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dandarez said:
do you have a photo of the number on the chassis? Should be right in front of the engine mounting on the flat of the chassis frame - see bot right hand pic in Super Profile page 37. Rub the chassis paint off to see it clearly (although you say your chassis is galvanised?)
Have tried a couple of times, but it's barely visible in the photo. I can barely see the last 4 numbers on my PC screen and I know exactly where they are.

Looking very closely I find the number in two places; by the engine mount where it should be and in smaller numbers further to the left on the same frame rail. There are no "/" between "15" and the other numbers.

dandarez said:
That 'vin' tag looks suspicious to me, but don't imported cars get re-numbered tagged anyway?
No, the Norwegian authorities are very strict about that. 99.99% of all cars are imported to Norway. The odd number must have been stamped before the G15 crossed the Norwegian border on July 30, 1985. What I tried to explain in a mail was that cars get renumbered in the USA when the VIN tag is lost (as long as there are no report of a similar, stolen car). So I thought it may be common practice in the UK, too.

I interpret the VIN tag like this: the "15" has probably been stamped at a different time and/or by a different person than the others because they are imprinted deeper into the tag (or on top of a softer surface). In the lower line each number is stamped individually and without a guide.

Edited by GinELla on Thursday 4th March 09:23

GinG15

499 posts

131 months

Saturday 6th March 2010
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was the chassis galvanized during restoration or is this a replacement chassis?

that maybe would explain the "strange" VIN Number.

did the car originally run in UK and was imported from there or did it always run in norway?

don´t you have any history e.g. the former UK-registration and number plate?




GinELla

61 posts

140 months

Saturday 6th March 2010
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GinG15 said:
was the chassis galvanized during restoration or is this a replacement chassis?
that maybe would explain the "strange" VIN Number.
I've been told that it's a replacement chassis, the original one was rusted beyond repair.

GinG15 said:
did the car originally run in UK and was imported from there or did it always run in norway?
Yes, this G15 was originally run in the UK and was imported to Norway on July 30, 1985.

GinG15 said:
don´t you have any history e.g. the former UK-registration and number plate?
I've been told that the first owner was Father Williams. Second owner, Martin Slater, brought the G15 to Norway and decided to reside here. I don't have info on the UK registration or number plate.